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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2007, 08:29:43 AM »

So what did Paul mean by “bound by law” in 1 Cor.7.39, and Rom.7.2? Let’s look specifically at the meaning of “bound,” “loose,” and “law.”

“Bound,” “deo” means to “bind, tie, knit, wind, etc.” The DBL specifically interprets “deo” in 1 Cor.7.39 as “put under authority of.” So the wife who is “bound by law” is bound, tied, and put under the authority of her husband “by law”.

“Loose,” the Greek word “luo” means to “loosen, untie, break (up), destroy, dissolve, set free, release, etc.” (Strongs and DBL). In regards to marriage, “luo” actually reflects the meaning of the Hebraic word, “divorce”, “kriythuwth,” which means “a cutting (of the matrimonial bond)” (Strongs, 3748), “ending a marriage,” “a deed giving notice by a husband to a wife of impending divorce, thus releasing the woman to marry” (DBL). Of course, the concept of freedom, and being released from bondage is an underlying theme throughout 1 Cor. 7 with the focus of being free to serve the Lord.

“Law,” is the Greek word “nomos” meaning “law, regulation, Law of Moses, a principle” (3551, Strong’s); anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command, a precept or injunction, etc. (3551, Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon). “the word ethos, ‘custom,’ was retained for unwritten ‘law,’ while nomos became the established name for ‘law’ as decreed by a state and set up as the standard for the administration of justice” (G3551, Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words).

Concerning “law”, if Paul is referring to legal code, which “law” is he referring to, moral, civil, or religious? Each of these possible options poses problems. If it is moral law, then that falls under personal authority and is ultimately only judged by God. This results in every person doing what is right in his own eyes, with no restrictions beyond one’s own moral or immoral standards. The phrase, “law of Christ” as Paul speaks of elsewhere could be interpreted - the moral standards of Christ. Of course, ultimately everything in life will be judged by God according to the moral standards of Christ, not only every action, but even the motives behind the actions will be judged by God according to the “law of Christ.”

The question is, “Is moral law or the ‘law of Christ,’ what Paul meant by the phrase “bound by law,” concerning marriage?” If so, then what is it that binds a couple together; is it their personal promise of unending love, some public ceremony, sexual intimacy, or the combination of all three? Would either the Romans or Corinthians have understood it as such? I do not believe so.

Does “bound by law” reference civil law? Actually, Vine’s notes that “nomos” often means, “the established name for ‘law’ as decreed by a state and set up as the standard for the administration of justice”. If “law” references “civil law”, then the civil government establishes the rules and regulations for MDR. However, in Rome and Corinth, Greco-Roman civil law did not legislate issues concerning MDR, and the people did basically what they wanted to do in their personal relationships. Would the Corinthians or Romans have understood Paul to mean “civil law?” I do not believe so.

Another possible meaning is that Paul is referencing the Mosaic Law. Of course, most Christians summarily reject this concept and promoting the Mosaic Law was not a primary message of Paul’s. In fact, he spent a significant amount of his writing opposing Judaizing believers.

If Paul did not intend “law” to mean either moral (personal), civil (social) law, or the Mosaic Law, did he mean that MDR fell under religious, ecclesial authority? I believe this posses even more difficulties than moral or civil law! First of all, it is very unlikely that the Romans or Corinthians would have understood “law” to mean the “rule or legislation of the church”, especially considering they were both fledgling churches with limited, if any, clearly defined authority structure.

Secondly, if one extrapolates this to today, which church or denomination should rule over MDR, or is each church to do what they believe is right? Furthermore, if the church is the authority, what about non-believers, should the church rule over them also, or do their marriages not count? Catholic doctrine basically assumes this, or at least indicates that only marriages performed in, by, and for the Church are under Church authority and thus indissoluble by Church statue, but marriages not performed under the authority of the Church are not marriages joined by God, and thus not indissoluble. Is this what Paul meant by “bound by law”? I do not believe so.
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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2007, 08:32:49 AM »

Bound by Law (3 of 3)

Could it be that Paul did not mean, “law,” as we Westerners typically understand it, as in a specific “legal code? I believe so. We must remember that Paul is a Hebrew, and in his writings he naturally translates, interprets, and applies many Hebraic concepts to his Gentile audience. He considered the Word of God, the Old Testament fully inspired and profitable for instruction in righteousness (right relationship with God and man, and right living). So how was marriage understood in the Old Testament.

In the Old Testament, and throughout Eastern cultures, marriage was understood as being established by “covenant”. Greek does not have a word that equates perfectly the Eastern concept of covenant. Paul actually uses two words to convey the Eastern concept of covenant, nomos and diatheke. Nomos is often used in general terms to reference the “Mosaic Law”; and diatheke is used to translate the word covenant specifically, as in the Old Covenant, and also implies “testament” as in “will and testament.”

“Covenant” is the Hebrew word “bereeth” in “she is your companion and your wife by covenant” (Mal.2.14). A covenant was an agreement between two parties, a pledge, a binding oath of promise. The word “covenant,” in the Bible and throughout the ancient Near East, was a broad term used to describe a wide variety of relationships: simple contracts, treaties between nations, marriages, indentured slave/master relationships, God’s relationship with the nation of Israel, and God’s promise not to flood the world. “bereeth” also often implies a legally enforceable contract.

Dr. David Instone-Brewer devotes the entire first chapter of his book, “Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible” to discuss the contractual nature of marriage as understood in the Near East in biblical times. I highly recommend this book for further study on this and related issues.
 
For the conclusion of chapter one, Dr. Instone-Brewer writes:
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“… marriage in the Pentateuch is a contract between two families and between two individuals. This contract was often recorded in a document which included the financial arrangements, the stipulations which could lead to divorce if broken, and the financial arrangements in the event of divorce. Many of these documents have been found dating from the seventh century BCE. The details recorded in these documents, and the language which is used to record them, finds exact parallels in the Pentateuch. The Old Testament speaks of marriage as a ‘covenant’, which was the ancient Near Eastern term for any kind of binding agreement or contract. The correct term for a marriage agreement in the Old Testament is therefore a ‘marriage contract’. Like any other contract, this contained an agreement and penalties for breaking the agreement. The penalty for breaking the marriage contract was divorce with loss of the dowry.”
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Dr. Instone-Brewer makes a convincing argument supporting the assertion that; “The correct term for a marriage agreement in the Old Testament is a ‘marriage contract.’” However, does the English word “contract” adequately define a marriage relationship? In English, “contract” is most commonly used as a legal term with its strength in its specificity, clarity, and declared penalties for the breaking of the contract. An ironclad contract is one in which there are no loopholes or means of breaking the contract without penalty. The word “contract” usually applies to tangible and measurable elements of a relationship such as finances, responsibilities, and/or material ownership. The word “contract” also has the connotation of an impersonal, cold, calculating, business-type relationship. However, marriage is far more than the English word “contract” can define or connote.

The English word “covenant” is a better term for describing the marriage union, though having virtually the same meaning as the word “contract.” Covenant is more of a relational word that implies a personal commitment of the involved parties to each other that far exceeds the financial, material, or legal aspects of the relationship. The word “covenant” is used as a broad, inclusive, and non-specific relational vow often establishing new “family” ties. Furthermore, although the financial and material aspects of the covenant might be covered by a written contract and enforceable through civil law, the strength of a covenant is almost wholly dependent upon the moral character of the covenanters, the ones making the covenant.

The word “contract” is an integral part of the word “covenant;” but “covenant” is not necessarily implied in the word “contract.” Contracts are specific and legally enforceable covenants, whereas the relational elements of covenants are neither specific nor legally enforceable. For example, mutual love, honor, submission, trust, and faithfulness are all elements of a Christian marriage covenant; but these are intangible, immeasurable attributes that are not legally enforceable due to their attitudinal nature.

Also, “Covenant” is parallel or equivalent to the Hebrew words dabar (“word”), hoq (“statute”), piqqud (“precepts”—Ps. 103:18, nasb), ‘edah (“testimony”—Ps. 25:10), torah (“law”—Ps. 78:10), and checed (“lovingkindness”—Deut. 7:9, nasb). These words emphasize the authority and grace of God in making and keeping the “covenant,” and the specific responsibility of man under the covenant. The words of the “covenant” were written in a book (Exod. 24:4, 7; Deut. 31:24-26) and on stone tablets (Exod. 34:28). [Vine's complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words]

Covenants often also had written documents specifying the expectations of the relationship, as noted above in the quote from Dr. Instone-Brewer’s book. These documents specified the amount of the dowry, and any unique specifications concerning the relationship. For example, if a woman desired a monogamous relationship with her husband, she could have that stipulated in the marriage contract. The husband was then legally bound to that agreement, enforceable by civil authority. If her husband decided to marry another woman, he had to divorce her and pay the full dowry, unless she agreed otherwise.

So, what did Paul mean by “bound by law” in 1 Cor.7.39 and Rom.7.2?  It is very unlikely that Paul meant that a couple is bound by strictly either moral, domestic, civil, Mosaic, or Church statue or law. However, it is very likely, imo, that Paul was referring to the covenant of marriage which was regulated and enforced to a limited degree by civil authority and influenced by the moral teachings of Moses and Christ.  “Bound by law” should be understood and interpreted as “bound by covenant”.


P.S.  Post #1 on this thread has a list of the various topical posts I've made on this thread.
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2007, 03:52:02 PM »

This keeps coming up on other threads so I thought to simply post and move it forward in the list in case anyone wants to read it or respond to it.
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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2007, 10:58:36 PM »


 God divorced Israel. Jer 3:8
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« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2007, 11:57:06 AM »

Jer.3.8 is actually the verse that I base the title of my book on -- "God Is A Divorce' Too! A Message of Hope, Healing, and Forgiveness". 
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« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2007, 05:09:37 PM »

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I watch for your posts to help me keep my sanity.  They are always well thought out and obviously much study goes into them.  I am wondering what sin we have committed to attract all the wacky, "true gospel", "2 gospel" know it all, let me tell you horrible sinners how you should believe and act folks. 

It is heart wrenching to know how many folks are taught that they must stay in a marriage or live alone even if there is abuse and no love.  Thanks for the sunshine in you posts.  Later Johnb   
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« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2007, 05:24:34 PM »

Thanks John, I appreciate the encouragement.  I too appreciate your heart and passion for the Lord.

Blessings,
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« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2007, 05:34:34 PM »

 
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Jer.3.8 is actually the verse that I base the title of my book on -- "God Is A Divorce' Too! A Message of Hope, Healing, and Forgiveness".  
It does kind of put a weird spin on the whole MDR thing. It also creates a paradox in which we have to get to the Spirit of the matter rather than the letter of the Law.

 Interesting enough I thought there was a scripture that says God hates divorce.
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« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2007, 05:51:16 PM »

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Jer.3.8 is actually the verse that I base the title of my book on -- "God Is A Divorce' Too! A Message of Hope, Healing, and Forgiveness".  
It does kind of put a weird spin on the whole MDR thing. It also creates a paradox in which we have to get to the Spirit of the matter rather than the letter of the Law.

 Interesting enough I thought there was a scripture that says God hates divorce.

Mal.2.16 is typically errantly translated that "God hated divorce."  Sadly, few translators know that they are trying to translate an idiomatic phrase in this passage.  In Israel there were two types of divorce, those based on morally acceptable reasons and morally non-acceptable reasons.  Divorces based on selfish morally non-acceptable reasons were called "hateful divorces".  Mal.2.16 is rebuking those who perform the "hateful divorce."
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« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2007, 05:53:43 PM »


 excellent point! I like it when I learn something. Thanks
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« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2007, 07:16:32 PM »

Yes, I enjoy learning too.  I love to study the Word.  I especially love to study with those who know more than I do, and of those many I especially enjoy studying with those who understand the Word differently than I do.  It really helps to broaden my very limited perspective.
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« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2007, 08:25:40 PM »

Mr. Nobles--I plan to copy out your lessons and take notes. i am really committed to this study. I've read homer hailey and Samuel Dawson--two devout scholars of God's word. both vilified because of their stand on mdr. Just thinking about the early Lord's Church as well as present day America. Did Jesus really want the dissolvement of marriages before people could enter his kingdom? What consternation, what heart-break, what untold poverty this would have caused the early church. Some churches won't baptise a person until they have started divorce proceedings against an innocent spouse. I can't stand it. By the way, I read your article on the web about God being a divorcee.
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« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2007, 09:46:15 PM »

dmcca,

Thanks for your encouraging post.  I pray and trust that the material will be a blessing to you.  Sadly, due to the rampant anti-Semetism in the early Gentile branch of the church, it did not study the words of Jesus through the cultural lens of first century Jews. Instead they viewed it through the lens of Platonic thought.  Even today, Western thought is based a lot upon Plato.  When reading the Gospels, we make many errant assumptions unknowingly, and it takes significant study of the Jewish culture to uncover these errant assumptions.  Anyhow, I look forward to any questions or comments you may have as you go through my posts. 

What I uncovered in my studies was so radically different than anything that I had seen peaced together elsewhere, that before I sought a publisher for my manuscript, I had pastors and theologians from a wide range of denominations review it for me.  I'm thankful to say that almost all endorsed it, and the two that did not endorse it, did so because of pesonal reasons, not because they found anything they disagreed with.  Three of the ones who endorsed my book are professors at Regent University.   Anyhow, I was greatly honored and humbled by their endorsement.  I hope you too find the information helpful and inspirational.

Blessings,
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« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2008, 12:46:44 AM »

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Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.



This is the first time that I see such a 'warning' on any message boards that I have been on in the past...
However, I believe that this thread should be bumped back up to page 1 so that others may be able to read/consult/or maybe even reply to it eventhough it has been a while since no-one has posted in it for the past almost nine months now...
Personally, I wish I could have known about this particular thread two years ago, but I wasn't a member of this board yet back then... Pondering

Sherman, I wish to thank you for writing this book, but especially for sharing some of it on this board...I have read the first page so far...it took me a while for I am a slow reader...I will definitely read the rest of it...and again, I thank you... Smile




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« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2008, 01:06:03 AM »

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The reason that man should not break apart what God has joined together is because it thwarts or destroys much of the good that God means for us to have and live in.  God wants for us to live in the beauty and wholeness of life-long loving self-sacrificing covenant relationships.  God wants what is best for us.  He wants us to have a little heaven on earth like the Garden of Eden.



...sigh...how beautifully written Sherman...and how I hoped for my own marriage to be like... Look around
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