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Mary's Genealogy
« on: Tue Sep 22, 2020 - 20:42:55 »
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Eve wasn't made directly from the soil the way that Adam was. She was made of human material taken from Adam's body. In effect then, Eve was Adam's offspring, i.e. his first child.

Hence, from then on, even if all of Eve's children had been 100% virgin-conceived, they would've still been biologically related to Adam seeing as how every part of her body was made from Adam's body.

So then, unless somebody can prove beyond a shadow of sensible doubt that no part of Mary's body was in any way biologically related to Eve's body, then we have to concede that Mary's son Jesus was biologically related to Eve too, and thus biologically related to Adam.
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Re: Mary's Genealogy
« Reply #1 on: Wed Sep 23, 2020 - 01:08:29 »
What confusion.  Science and faith don't mix like this.

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Re: Mary's Genealogy
« Reply #2 on: Wed Sep 23, 2020 - 15:52:53 »
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It's sometimes suggested that Mary was a surrogate mother. In other words; baby Jesus was implanted in her womb as an embryo.

But the angel predicted that he would be the result of conception that was to take place in Mary's body. Well; in order for Mary's body to conceive a baby, her own ovum would have to be involved.

Luke 1:31 . . Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.

Luke 2:21 . .When eight days were completed for his circumcision, he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
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Re: Mary's Genealogy
« Reply #3 on: Thu Sep 24, 2020 - 11:37:33 »
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Heb 7:14 . . It is clear that our Lord arose from Judah, and in regard to that tribe, etc.

Throughout the Bible, it is normally the biological father's side of the family that determines a child's tribal identity, but in Jesus' case there was no biological father. So tribal determination defaulted to his biological mother's side.

Mary's situation was unusual but not unbiblical. Inheritance via women became an expedient back in Num 27:1-8.

Jesus' mom is sometimes alleged to be a member of Levi's tribe due to her association with Elizabeth (Luke 1:5 and Luke 1:36). However, Levi and Judah were brothers, i.e. both men were Leah's sons (Gen 29:34-35). So then Mary and Elizabeth were cousins due to their association with the same grandma rather than with the same tribe.
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Re: Mary's Genealogy
« Reply #4 on: Fri Sep 25, 2020 - 10:22:50 »
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This information is handy for proving that David was Mary's biological grandfather.

Rom 1:3 . . [God's] son Jesus Christ our Lord was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

The Greek word translated "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper' mah) which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to biological progeny and/or spiritual progeny.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that the passage below is speaking of spiritual progeny.

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:29)

However; Rom 1:3 is definitely speaking of biological progeny because David's seed is according to the flesh, i.e. his body.

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Acts 2:30 . .Therefore [David] being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Greek words for "according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ" are not in the manuscripts. The KJV's editors took the liberty to pencil them into their English translation.

However, Greek words for "fruit of his loins" are in the manuscript. Those are reinforced by the wording of the oath at 2Sam 7:12 where again David's seed is clearly implied to be physical rather than spiritual.

See also Psalm 132:11 where it's said: The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from which He will not turn back: "Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne."
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