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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #70 on: Sat Jun 24, 2017 - 05:28:40 »
SwordMaster,
re:  "...because the question was..."

To whose question are you referring?

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #71 on: Sat Jun 24, 2017 - 20:25:07 »
SM:
<<Technically, you are correct: Jesus was arrested at Thursday night after sunset, meaning according to the Jewish calendar, Friday morning.>>

GE:
Don't argue with me about things I never said!! Show where I wrote this! You cannot. You don't care what another thinks; it is only what you almighty sword master has to say, with blunt, split and floppy sword of tongue! NOT ONE WORD IS CORRECT here. Aren't you ashamed of yourself? What nonsensical sound polution. Save the planet!

You have a comprehension problem here, GE. I didn't say that you said anything in the quote of me you give...do you see any quotation marks in my post? No, you don't.

Yeesh....


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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #72 on: Sat Jun 24, 2017 - 20:27:10 »
SwordMaster,
re:  "...because the question was..."

To whose question are you referring?

that conversation was an old one, I do not remember.


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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #73 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 04:58:43 »
If Jesus was in the grave three days and three nights then it is clear that he died WEDNESDAY and arose Saturday night EARLY BEFORE SUNRISE THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which would be our SUNDAY. Do the math, it's not that complicated.

Wednesday to Thursday ONE day.

Thursday to Friday TWO days.

Friday to Saturday is THREE DAYS......Jesus arose from the dead Saturday night EARLY BEFORE SUNRISE the FIRST Day of the week!

That is THREE FULL DAYS AND NIGHTS...In Jewish or our way of measuring days and nights its simple math. Catholicism and others cannot even add properly!

How in the world could Jesus have died on Good Friday afternoon, risen from the dead on Easter Sunday morning, and still been in the ground the three days and three nights that He prophesied and promised (Matt 12:38-40)? This common tradition only allows one day and two nights. If you count parts of Friday and Sunday as whole days, you still only have three days and two nights. The math does not work! There are only two nights! Of course, once Constantine and the religious compromisers at the council of Nicea in AD325 had subscribed to sun and moon worship for setting the date, it was not difficult to further reject the words of Jesus Christ and create their Good Friday - Easter Sunday combination. Simple saints that believe the Bible can rejoice over their arrogant persecutors with seminary degrees and worldly education, just as Jesus had promised (Matthew 11:25-27; 1st Corinthians 1:19-20; 3:19-20). They know Jesus was buried Wednesday night and rose Saturday night before the sun arose on the first day of the week, just as He had declared would be the proof of His identity.
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Re: Matthew 12:40
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #74 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 05:17:40 »
The greatest fact of the Bible is that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God (John 20:30-31; Acts 8:36-37; I John 5:4-5). The gospel is the good news that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again, according to the Scriptures (I Cor 15:1-4). Scripture states that Jesus rose THE third day, IN three days, and AFTER three days (Matthew 16:21; 26:61; 27:63). Only three full days – seventy-two full hours – will satisfy all the numerous statements of the New Testament. Jesus gave only one sign to prove He was truly the Son of God – the time He would be dead (Matt 12:38-40; 16:4). Jesus knew there were twelve hours in a day; therefore He prophesied seventy-two hours in a grave (John 11:9-10). Satan is at war against Jesus Christ and wants to deny His gospel by any lies that He can (II Cor 11:3-4; Gal 1:6-8). Easter tradition has Jesus dying on Good Friday afternoon and rising Sunday morning – one day and two nights. Easter tradition denies the gospel and the very sign that Jesus Christ gave of His identity as the Son of God. If He was not in the ground three days and three nights, then He is a liar and not truly the Son of God. God forbid! False churches has perpetrated this fraud on the churches of Jesus Christ. It is time for you to come out of her (Rev 18:4). God the Father is seeking worshippers who will worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:23-24; II Tim 4:3-4).

3 Days & 3 Nights~ Jesus ate the Passover with His disciples on the evening of the fourteenth by Moses' law (Ex 12:6-8; Matt 26:17-20; Mark 14:12-17; Luke 22:7-15). The crucifixion began at 9:00 AM, and Jesus died after the darkness ended at 3:00 PM (Matthew 27:45-50; Mark 15:25,33-37; Luke 23:44-49). Jesus was buried hurriedly as the preparation day ended and the high Sabbath day was about to begin (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14,31,42). The women who followed Jesus rested the high Sabbath day of the Passover before buying and preparing their spices (Mark 16:1 cp Exodus 12:16). The women bought their spices and prepared them on the regular workday between the two Sabbaths days this week (Mark 16:1 cp Luke 23:55-56). The women rested during the weekly Sabbath day after buying and preparing their spices the previous workday (Luke 23:55-56 cp Exodus 20:10). Jesus rose from the dead as the weekly Sabbath ended ~three days and three nights after burial ~as prophesied (Matthew 12:39-40; Mark 8:31). While it was still dark, the morning of the first day of the week, the women found the tomb already empty (Matt 28:1-6; Luke 24:1-3; John 20:1). The gospel record of Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection prove His identifying sign of three days and three nights (Matthew 12:39-40). Anyone holding to a Friday crucifixion and/or a Sunday morning resurrection is denying the very sign Jesus gave to prove He was the Son of God.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #75 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 05:57:11 »
 RB,
re:   "Anyone holding to a Friday crucifixion and/or a Sunday morning resurrection is denying the very sign Jesus gave to prove He was the Son of God."

That's an issue for a different topic.   Perhaps you could start one. 

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #76 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 06:32:32 »
RB,
re:   "Anyone holding to a Friday crucifixion and/or a Sunday morning resurrection is denying the very sign Jesus gave to prove He was the Son of God."

That's an issue for a different topic.   Perhaps you could start one.

How is that a different topic?  The three days and three nights in the heart of the earth is precisely what Matthew 12:40 is all about.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #77 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 06:40:21 »
RB,
re:   "Anyone holding to a Friday crucifixion and/or a Sunday morning resurrection is denying the very sign Jesus gave to prove He was the Son of God."

That's an issue for a different topic.   Perhaps you could start one.

 
Agreed with 4WD~besides, I was correcting this quote:
Quote from: SwordMaster
Technically, you are correct: Jesus was arrested at Thursday night after sunset, meaning according to the Jewish calendar, Friday morning.

All that night practically He was questioned, by the Sanhedrin, and "When morning came" (Mat. 27:1) He was taken before Pilot - that's Friday morning after the sun had risen.

Jesus was crucified "on the third hour" Jewish time, 9 AM our time...and died on "the ninth hour" Jewish time, 3 PM our time...Friday...the same day.

SwordMaster, has fallen for the same lie that RCC/EOC believes in~Really surprised me that he has.
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #78 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 07:51:32 »
4WD,
re:  "How is that a different topic?  The three days and three nights in the heart of the earth is precisely what Matthew 12:40 is all about."

The topic title was poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic. Unfortunately the title coudn't be edited once it was posted.   However, it was clarified in posts #55 and #62. 

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #79 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 13:53:31 »
<<If Jesus was in the grave three days and three nights >>

Jesus was NOT <<in the grave three days and three nights>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's wrong with you??????????????

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #80 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 14:05:52 »
I have showed you MANY times that "three days and three nights" IS NO <<idiomatic expression>>.
I could just as well have tried to educate the wall in front of me.

And don't tell <<what if>> this or that <if> someone else might say this or that. Tell us YOUR idea. Or don't you have any?   

At least ten years now you bring this same silly question of yours up all over the internet. It reminds me of that Bible verse that says they always are learning but never come to knowledge. Which is pretty useless waste of energy.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #81 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 14:17:16 »
<<Jesus was crucified "on the third hour" Jewish time, 9 AM our time...and died on "the ninth hour" Jewish time, 3 PM our time...Friday...the same day.>>

<<...Friday...the same day>>Not your's of course, but THIS is the biggest lie from satan personally in all history of mankind, having reached its zenith in these modern days last days.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #82 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 14:37:56 »
<<All that night practically He was questioned, by the Sanhedrin, and "When morning came" (Mat. 27:1) He was taken before Pilot - that's Friday morning after the sun had risen.>>

<<He was taken before Pilot>> 'proh-i', "early" during the night of the fourteenth day of the First Month, the night of "The Preparation-OF-THE-PASSOVER" John 19:14 (19:28) "the day before the Feast" (on the following and fifteenth day of the month which would be "The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath", 'Friday'). "Six o'clock" sunrise Pilate "delivered Him over (to the Jews) to be condemned to death and be crucified" ... that's not <<Friday morning>>, but 'Thursday morning'!

 

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« Reply #83 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 14:54:20 »
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<< like you said, and the NT Scriptures support, the Jews wanted His body down before the Sabbath began.>>

I never said any such thing ... ridiculous, callous nonsensical thing, understand !!!

The Jews said THEMSELVES: they wanted the bodies with their crosses "TAKEN AWAY ... SINCE the Preparation had begun ... and BECAUSE the day was great-day of that sabbath of"--the passover!

The Jews asked Pilate "evening having had come already" BEFORE Joseph "when evening had already come", "arrived there ... and went in to Pilate "AFTER THESE THINGS" the Jews before him had asked Pilate. John 19:31 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:38.



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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #84 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 15:04:14 »
Reply to #65

<<the Jews wanted His body down before the Sabbath began. So Pilot allowed Joseph of Aramathea to take His body and bury it...before sunset Friday night. Joseph had three hours (from 3 pm to 6 pm) to take Jesus' body off the cross and place Him in his own tomb,>>

<<the Jews wanted His body down before the Sabbath began>> false, sucked from your thumb.

<<take His body and bury it...before sunset Friday night>>false, sucked from your other thumb.

<<Joseph had three hours (from 3 pm to 6 pm) to take Jesus' body off the cross and place Him in his own tomb>> false, sucked from your right and left big toes.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #85 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 15:14:59 »
<<If Jesus was in the grave three days and three nights >>

Jesus was NOT <<in the grave three days and three nights>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's wrong with you??????????????

Part of his problem is that he only goes by what Scripture says, he doesn't care to learn about the cultural or historical aspects behind and saturating the Scriptures.

His other problems are...well...I can't say here...
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #86 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 15:40:26 »
Reply to #65

<<He was dead Friday, all day Saturday, and "after the sabbath, in the morning" which was Sunday morning, the first day of the week, after the sun had risen, He resurrected.>>

Jesus died and was dead 3 hours on the fourteenth (on the Fifth Day of the week)

was taken from the cross "after it had become / been evening" and "treated" and "prepared" in the night "for to be buried" "the next day(light)" Dt22:23 and was finished buried "mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing That Day The Preparation" ('Friday' 3 p.m.). Luke 23:54

"In Sabbath Day's fullness being in the very mid-inclining daylight as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week" (3 p.m.), "there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending cast the stone from the grave ..." Matthew 28:1 and "Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD THE THIRD DAY (Matthew 27:64 "the day after the Preparation" which was the Sabbath) ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" --all the Scriptures the PASSOVER-Scriptures which is ALL the Scriptures, Old, and, New Testaments.

Sunday resurrection is friars' fraternal fraud!
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #87 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 15:44:33 »
SwordMaster,
re: "Part of his problem is..."

Who is this "his" to whom you refer?

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #88 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 15:46:08 »
SwordMaster,
re: "Part of his problem is..."

Who is this "his" to whom you refer?

I believe GE was speaking to Red...so that's who I was referring to.


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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #89 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 15:55:42 »
Reply to #85

And your problem is that you don't care a dime what Scripture says, and only goes by what <<cultural or historical aspects>> supposedly say, which, by the way, I can tell you, nowhere contaminate the original Scriptures although they might saturate Catholic translations, so slavishly followed by Protestants.

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« Reply #90 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 16:13:59 »
Reply to #65

<<Again, it doesn't matter when He was buried, really, because the question was concerning how many days He was dead...and according do the Jewish calendar, the answer to that question is 3 days.>>

It does <<matter when He was buried, really,>> BECAUSE THE SCRIPTURES say it matters, very much! <<When He was buried>> occupies one of the "three days" of Jesus' OWN GUARANTEE "according to the Scriptures ... the Law and all the Prophets, HOW IT BEHOVED THE CHRIST TO SUFFER", and "the first day they KILLED the Passover" was killed, and "the first day of seven days ulb" was BURIED, and "according to the Scriptures the third day ... ON THE SABBATH ... ROSE from the dead again", so "the LORD the Seventh Day RESTED AND WAS REVIVED."



 

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« Reply #91 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 16:21:44 »
Reply to #73
<<That is THREE FULL DAYS AND NIGHTS...In Jewish or our way of measuring days and nights its simple math. Catholicism and others cannot even add properly!>>

The Catholics taught the poor Protesters nicely.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #92 on: Sun Jun 25, 2017 - 16:31:52 »
Reply to #73

<<been in the ground the three days and three nights that He prophesied and promised (Matt 12:38-40)?>>

<<in the ground>> does not exist in Matthew 12:38-40. What is an untruth like yours appropriately called?

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« Reply #93 on: Mon Jun 26, 2017 - 03:41:57 »
Part of his problem is that he only goes by what Scripture says, he doesn't care to learn about the cultural or historical aspects behind and saturating the Scriptures. His other problems are...well...I can't say here...
And that's a problem? Then I'll live with that problem as you call it. Puts me into a very good and select company....(Matthew 4:4) You can keep leaning unto your own earthly understanding and see where that takes you. Now would you like to address these points: replies #'s 73, 74 and especially 77 where your name is mentioned?
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #94 on: Mon Jun 26, 2017 - 03:54:51 »
<<in the ground>> does not exist in Matthew 12:38-40. What is an untruth like yours appropriately called?
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Matthew 12:40~"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
We know Jesus' body was was placed in a tomb, dug out of a rock, which is more than sufficient to answer this phrase, "the heart of the earth", in distinction from the surface of it~so, likewise being in the ground is more than sufficient to answer the phrase
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"the heart of the earth"
Do you truly have anything worthy of discussing concerning Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection? It sure does not seem to be the case reading your many posts.
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #95 on: Mon Jun 26, 2017 - 05:11:36 »
Perhaps someone new looking in will know of examples.

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« Reply #96 on: Mon Jun 26, 2017 - 05:33:31 »
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<<We know Jesus' body was was placed in a tomb, dug out of a rock, which is more than sufficient to answer this phrase, "the heart of the earth", in distinction from the surface of it~so, likewise being in the ground is more than sufficient to answer the phrase>>

No <distinction> with regard to <<the surface of>> or <<being in the ground>> of the earth exists in
<<this phrase>>; as you say yourself, it is <likewise>. Only one thing <answers> this phrase, and it is the whole of it consisting of words literal, "three days and three nights", and words  figurative or symbolic--not literal--, "the heart of the earth". Which distinction you try to evade to <answer> by creating your own.

You create your own nether-landish <distinction> to candy-coat your false idea that Jesus was BURIED three days and three nights in the grave. He was NOT three days and three nights in the grave. He was "in the HEART of the earth"--"under the foundations of the mountains" in the sea, where it is called, figuratively, "the hell" in Jonah, or "in prison" in Isaiah, or "in anguish and anxiety of SOUL exceeding death", in the Gospels by Jesus.

 

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« Reply #97 on: Mon Jun 26, 2017 - 06:31:29 »
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<<We know Jesus' body was was placed in a tomb, dug out of a rock, which is more than sufficient to answer this phrase, "the heart of the earth", in distinction from the surface of it~so, likewise being in the ground is more than sufficient to answer the phrase>>

No <distinction> with regard to <<the surface of>> or <<being in the ground>> of the earth exists in
<<this phrase>>; as you say yourself, it is <likewise>. Only one thing <answers> this phrase, and it is the whole of it consisting of words literal, "three days and three nights", and words  figurative or symbolic--not literal--, "the heart of the earth". Which distinction you try to evade to <answer> by creating your own.

You create your own nether-landish <distinction> to candy-coat your false idea that Jesus was BURIED three days and three nights in the grave. He was NOT three days and three nights in the grave. He was "in the HEART of the earth"--"under the foundations of the mountains" in the sea, where it is called, figuratively, "the hell" in Jonah, or "in prison" in Isaiah, or "in anguish and anxiety of SOUL exceeding death", in the Gospels by Jesus.
It's hard to reason with dumb~have a nice life, you may need it.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #98 on: Thu Sep 21, 2017 - 07:10:40 »
SwordMaster,
re:  "I believe GE was speaking to Red...so that's who I was referring to."

OK, thanks.

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #99 on: Tue Nov 28, 2017 - 17:01:02 »
GE brings to mind:

I often receive a break and to cut asunder my opposition is made such a pleasure, for example, this DrowsingDoodler...

SwordMaster
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Part of his problem is that he only goes by what Scripture says, he doesn't care to learn about the cultural or historical aspects behind and saturating the Scriptures.

His other problems are...well...I can't say here...

GE will say...

His other problem is that he only goes by what Scripture says.

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« Reply #100 on: Tue Nov 28, 2017 - 17:31:36 »
RB: post Re: Matthew 12:40 « Reply #94 on: Mon Jun 26, 2017 - 03:54:51 » referring...

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It's hard to reason with dumb~have a nice life, you may need it.

Ja, I was 'dumb' indeed. I only now noticed. I apologise. Thank you for the support! God bless you

(I seldom if ever receive well-meant help.)
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #101 on: Tue Nov 28, 2017 - 17:58:28 »
Sabbath means REST and was never a day of "worship" so does it really count all that much. Jesus died to remove the laded burdens and burden laders.

In the Apostolic Constitutions:

http://www.piney.com/DocAposConstitu.html

XXXIII. I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions.
         Let the slaves work five days;
         but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord's day
         let them have LEASURE to go to church for instruction in piety. [that One-Piece Pattern]

We have said that the Sabbath
        is on account of the creation,
        and the Lord's day of the resurrection.

Chapter XXI.-Sabbaths Were Instituted on Account of the People's Sins, and Not for a Work of Righteousness.

"Moreover, that God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath,
        and impose on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said,
        on account of your UNrighteousness,

and that of your fathers,-as He declares that for the sake of the nations, lest His name be profaned among them, therefore He permitted some of you to remain alive,-these words of His can prove to you: they are narrated by Ezekiel thus:

`I am the Lord your God; walk in My statutes, and keep My judgments,
         and take no part in the customs of Egypt;
         and hallow My Sabbaths;
         and they shall be a sign between Me and you,
         THAT ye may know that I am the Lord your God.

Notwithstanding ye rebelled against Me,
        and your children walked not in My statutes,
        neither kept My judgments to do them:
        which if a man do, he shall live in them. But they polluted My Sabbaths. rising up to PLAY: a worship ritual
And I said that I would pour out My fury upon them in the wilderness,
        to accomplish My anger upon them;
        yet I did it not; that My name might not be altogether profaned in the sight of the heathen.

I led them out before their eyes, and I lifted up Mine hand unto them in the wilderness,
        that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
        because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, and POLLUTED My Sabbaths,
        and their eyes were after the devices of their fathers.

Wherefore I gave them also statutes which were not good, and judgments whereby they shall not live.
        And I shall pollute them in their own gifts,
        that I may destroy all that openeth the womb, when I pass through them.' (Ezek. xx. 19-26.)

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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #102 on: Tue Nov 28, 2017 - 18:44:59 »
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Sabbath means REST and was never a day of "worship" so does it really count all that much. Jesus died to remove the laded burdens and burden laders.

In the Apostolic Constitutions:

http://www.piney.com/DocAposConstitu.html

XXXIII. I Peter and Paul do make the following constitutions.
         Let the slaves work five days;
         but on the Sabbath-day and the Lord's day
         let them have LEASURE to go to church for instruction in piety. [that One-Piece Pattern]

We have said that the Sabbath
        is on account of the creation,
        and the Lord's day of the resurrection.

Chapter XXI.-Sabbaths Were Instituted on Account of the People's Sins, and Not for a Work of Righteousness.

"Moreover, that God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath,
        and impose on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said,
        on account of your UNrighteousness,

and that of your fathers,-as He declares that for the sake of the nations, lest His name be profaned among them, therefore He permitted some of you to remain alive,-these words of His can prove to you: they are narrated by Ezekiel thus:

`I am the Lord your God; walk in My statutes, and keep My judgments,
         and take no part in the customs of Egypt;
         and hallow My Sabbaths;
         and they shall be a sign between Me and you,
         THAT ye may know that I am the Lord your God.

Notwithstanding ye rebelled against Me,
        and your children walked not in My statutes,
        neither kept My judgments to do them:
        which if a man do, he shall live in them. But they polluted My Sabbaths. rising up to PLAY: a worship ritual
And I said that I would pour out My fury upon them in the wilderness,
        to accomplish My anger upon them;
        yet I did it not; that My name might not be altogether profaned in the sight of the heathen.

I led them out before their eyes, and I lifted up Mine hand unto them in the wilderness,
        that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
        because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, and POLLUTED My Sabbaths,
        and their eyes were after the devices of their fathers.

Wherefore I gave them also statutes which were not good, and judgments whereby they shall not live.
        And I shall pollute them in their own gifts,
        that I may destroy all that openeth the womb, when I pass through them.' (Ezek. xx. 19-26.)


GE explains:

We do not provide for late-coming over-sleepers. Sorry, you must catch up on your own.

But I’ll make an exception in your case.
Just tell me, please, What difference is it, the fact, ‘Sabbath means REST’, and, ‘Sabbath was a day of "worship"’? So does it not really count all the same?

Just tell me, please, What difference does it make to God’s Sabbath Day, Jesus died to remove the laded burdens and burden laders? That God made a miserable flop, or a big success of what He created as well as saved?

And in the Apostolic Constitutions, just tell me, please, What difference does it make to God’s Sabbath Day (the real or the pseudo) Peter and Paul made constitution, “Let the slaves work five days, but on the Sabbath Day the Lord’s Day / Sabbath and Lord's Day, let them have LEASURE to go to church for instruction in piety”?

Just tell me, please, What difference does it make to God’s Sabbath Day, that the Sabbath is on account of the creation, and the Lord's Day on account of the resurrection?


And please tell me, What difference does it make to God’s Sabbath Day, the truth it was instituted on account of the people's sins, for GOD’S Work of Righteousness through Jesus Christ—His Resurrection from the dead “on the Sabbath Day”? A very big difference, I would say! Moreover, that God enjoined man to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on him because of his sins, other precepts for a sign on account of man’s Unrighteousness? What difference does it make to God’s Sabbath Day, the truth?

And please tell me, What difference does it make to God’s Sabbath Day, the truth that as for the patriachs and fathers, God declared his Sabbath Rest Day for the sake of all nations, lest His Name be profaned among them, but some men through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ be permitted to remain alive and not all be annihilated?

Thus these words of God’s must prove to you: they are narrated by Ezekiel thus:
`I am the Lord your God; walk in My statutes, and keep My judgements, and take no part in the customs of Egypt; and hallow My Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, THAT ye may know that I am the Lord your God. Notwithstanding ye rebelled against Me, and your children walked not in My statutes, neither kept My judgements to do them: which if a man do, he shall live in them. But they polluted My Sabbaths, rising up to PLAY: a worship ritual And I said that I would pour out My fury upon them in the wilderness, to accomplish My anger upon them; yet I did it not; that My name might not be altogether profaned in the sight of the heathen. I led them out before their eyes, and I lifted up Mine hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; because they had not executed My judgements, but had despised My statutes, and POLLUTED My Sabbaths, and their eyes were after the devices of their fathers. Wherefore I gave them also statutes which were not good, and judgements whereby they shall not live. And I shall pollute them in their own gifts, that I may destroy all that openeth the womb, when I pass through them.' (Ezek. xx. 19-26.)

Read clearly, friend, and BEWARE you misconstrue misconceptions instead of obey!


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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #103 on: Tue Nov 28, 2017 - 19:19:17 »
I'm not very good at my age at "follow the leaders."

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ROSE from the dead again", so "the LORD the Seventh Day RESTED AND WAS REVIVED."

If He rested ALL of the Sabbath wasn't he resurrected on the first day? Wasn't he revived on the first day of the week?  I thought you might be trying to claim that the SABBATH was the day of WORSHIP but it never was.  Was He revived at the last second to make it legal?

Ex. 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of HOLY, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

g4863. sunago, soon-ag´-o; from 4862 and 71; to lead together, i.e. collect or convene; specially, to entertain (hospitably): — + accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.

So, they synagogued on the FIRST day of the Week to NOT profane the sabbath.  The godly Jews were quarantined from the sacrificial system which God did not command and which day the slaughter team PROFANED the Sabbath.

I know the arguments that Jesus was not crucified on Good Friday but He was three days and three nights in the tomb but His Spirit was off preaching.    I noticed that the mathematics wasn't getting anywhere.

I thought that Jesus was in the GARDEN in a TOMB. HOWEVER

1Pet. 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pet. 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pet. 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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Re: Matthew 12:40
« Reply #104 on: Tue Nov 28, 2017 - 20:15:42 »
Kenneth Sublett:
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If He rested ALL of the Sabbath wasn't he resurrected on the first day? Wasn't he revived on the first day of the week?  I thought you might be trying to claim that the SABBATH was the day of WORSHIP but it never was.  Was He revived at the last second to make it legal?

GE answers:

UNLESS God in Christ "on the Sabbath" Resurrected, God on no occasion ever, "rested", least, "full-FILLED" the Sabbath or on it "finished all the works of God" "ON: That-Day-WHOLE-Day-BONE-Day" and "the third day" of the Passover-of-Yahweh.

Had Jesus not Resurrected "on the Sabbath in its fullness in the mid-inclining-day-light-shining-down as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week", He never "on the First Day, early morning, RISEN, APPEARED to Mary Magdalene, first"!

Kenneth Sublett:
'Wasn't he revived on the first day of the week?'

"On the Seventh Day the LORD RESTED--REVIVED!" Exodus 31:17.

Kenneth Sublett:
'I thought you might be trying to claim that the SABBATH was the day of WORSHIP but it never was.'

"The Seventh Day is Sabbath-Rest Day OF THE LORD GOD"---in fact "OF _YOUR_ LORD GOD"... but it 'never was the day of WORSHIP'?! Incredible!

Kenneth Sublett:
'Was He revived at the last second to make it legal?'

 'To make it legal', Jesus who was "Our Passover" and "Lamb of God" and "the Passover of Yahweh", HAD TO DIE "the ninth hour", viz., 3PM "between the late / latter quarters of days" - 'behn-ha-arba-yim', THREE HOURS "on the Sabbath in its fullness in the mid-inclining-day-light-shining-down as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week".