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My Favorite Passages in the KJV, :-)
« on: Sat Jun 08, 2002 - 06:52:07 »
Bobby, I think the KJV translators would be horrified to see people using their translation as the only true version, since as you say, they refute this is their preface to the readers. Besides, as wonderful as their style happened to be, the centuries have take their toll.

I like to think of how God used the Koine Greek for the New Testament. He did not pick the literary Attic Greek of Athens, not the smooth rhetorical Greek of the Ionians, but the commerical, vigorous language used by most of the people. Yet, Koine, as you know, is capable of great beauty, as witness what I consider the most stylistic of the New Testament books, 1st Peter. I think Hebrews has great style, it's just that the rhetorical nature of it is not as elegant as the inspired simplicity of 1st Peter. How did this fisherman create such a work? I suppose the Holy Spirit gave him a little help with Silvanus.

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« Reply #1 on: Sat Jun 08, 2002 - 16:40:16 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Guest @ June 08 2002,05:09)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]kjv ps. 23 comes off with more class than present in most other versions

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David, you should compare Psalm 23 in the KJV with Psalm 23 in the Geneva Bible -- they are almost identical (slight variation).  It is easy to tell, however, that the KJV is a revision of existing translations rather than a fresh one.  

Historically it took more than a generation for the KJV to replace the Geneva Bible as "the" Bible.  The first English Bible in America was the Geneva Bible (came over on the Mayflower because the Puritans thought the KJV to be corrupt -- my how time can sanctify!!)

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« Reply #2 on: Sat Jun 08, 2002 - 20:47:55 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (bobbyV @ June 08 2002,09:40)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]kjv ps. 23 comes off with more class than present in most other versions

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David, you should compare Psalm 23 in the KJV with Psalm 23 in the Geneva Bible -- they are almost identical (slight variation).  It is easy to tell, however, that the KJV is a revision of existing translations rather than a fresh one.  

Historically it took more than a generation for the KJV to replace the Geneva Bible as "the" Bible.  The first English Bible in America was the Geneva Bible (came over on the Mayflower because the Puritans thought the KJV to be corrupt -- my how time can sanctify!!)

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bobby:

i know.  i don't mind if you wish to amend my statement to include the gb.

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[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (nerdneh @ June 08 2002,9:54)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Classics are classics and a classic like Ps 23 will always be a blessing. J. B. Phillips does an incredible job of translating 1st Corinthians 13, it is almost a poem in his rendition, also does Romans 12:1-3 beautifully. Do you know of any other "classic" passages in other translations? It would be nice if someone edited and put together the most elegant translations in English. It would make good material for praising God![/quote]
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excellent idea.  

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Jun 08, 2002 - 03:10:24 »
Since there are not a few who are devoted to the KJV as the best and only translation I will relate a few passages where elders suddenly changed their  minds:

"But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung and dring their own piss" (2 Kgs 18.27, KJV, reproduced verbatium in Isaiah 36.12).

Some more of my favorites are:

"And Abraham rose up early in the morning and saddled his ass" (Genesis 22.3, KJV).

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"Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens" (Genesis 49. 14, KJV).

Shoot the only time I am allowed to use the words my mother would have washed my mouth out with soup is when I am reading the KJV.

Spoken with tongue firmly planted in cheek  ;)

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kjv ps. 23 comes off with more class than present in most other versions

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« Reply #6 on: Sat Jun 08, 2002 - 19:10:07 »
Typos can be so funny, and heaven knows I have committed my share. When I read Bobby's comment about how if he used certain words aside from reading them from KJV passages his mom would wash his mouth out with "soup" I had to laugh.
Was that hot soup or would she let it cool down a bit first, Bobby? I can recall one of my grandmothers actually making me rinse my mouth out with soap when I was a kid, forget if it was because I said some bad word or if I sassed her or what. I would've liked having to rinse with soup a lot better! Especially if it was tomato soup. :p

I'm too lazy to look it up now (plus I have another browser screen up and am playing online Scrabble with my pal Ruthie -- I am awful at this game, but it's fun), but isn't there a verse in the OT (KJV) that says something like "Balaam went and packed his ass"? That just strikes me as so funny. Or maybe I'm mixing the story of Balaam and the ass with the one you quoted about Abraham.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Jun 09, 2002 - 04:54:30 »
Classics are classics and a classic like Ps 23 will always be a blessing. J. B. Phillips does an incredible job of translating 1st Corinthians 13, it is almost a poem in his rendition, also does Romans 12:1-3 beautifully. Do you know of any other "classic" passages in other translations? It would be nice if someone edited and put together the most elegant translations in English. It would make good material for praising God!

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Jun 10, 2002 - 02:36:50 »
KJV Luke 2:13-14 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,  Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

NIV Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."

I really do not like the KJV but those verses are so much more beautiful.

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Jun 10, 2002 - 09:24:10 »
Psalms 137

(ML) By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down and wept as we remembered Zion.

(RSV) On the willows there we hung up our lyres. For there our captors (KJV) required of us songs,(NIV) demanded songs of joy. They said, (KJV/NIV) "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"

(KJV) How shall we sing the Lord's song (ML) in [a] land of strangers?

(RS) If I forget you, O Jerusalem, may my right hand wither (Living Bible) upon the harp. If I fail to love her more than my highest joy, then (RSV) let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth.

(NIV) Remember, O Lord, what the Edomites [said] on the day Jerusalem fell.(LB) "Raze her to the ground!" they yelled.(ML) "Lay her bare down to her foundations!"

(ML/RSV) O daughter of Babylon (PR) you are doomed! Fortunate is the one (LB) who destroys you as you have destroyed us. (KJV) Happy [is] the one (ML) who will sieze your evil (NIV) infants (PR) by the foot and dash their heads (RSV) against the rock.