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Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 14:16:17 »
MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Barack Obama's announcement Wednesday that he supports gay marriage boosted the hopes of gay rights groups around the world that other leaders will follow his example, though opponents denounced his switch as a shameless appeal for votes.
 
Several countries, including Canada, Spain and Argentina, allow same-sex marriage, but far more countries ban it and dozens even prohibit consensual same-sex relations. Gay-rights groups hope Obama's views will inspire more change.
 
"This is incredibly important, it's excellent news. The United States is a global leader on everything, and that includes gay rights," said Julio Moreira, president of the Rio de Janeiro-based Arco-Iris gay rights group. "This will force other nations like Brazil to move forward with more progressive policies."
 
Vatican and other religious officials didn't comment, but political leaders and others opposed to gay marriage excoriated Obama. In particular, politicians tied to Pentecostal and Catholic churches have spoken out strongly against same-sex marriage in Latin America.
 
"Barack Obama is an ethical man and a philosophically confused man," said Peruvian congresswoman Martha Chavez of the conservative Catholic Opus Dei movement. "He knows that marriage isn't an issue only of traditions or of religious beliefs. Marriage is a natural institution that supports the union of two people of different sexes because it has a procreative function."
 
In Australia, where three bills that would allow gay marriage have been introduced in Parliament, Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she won't be following Obama's lead. She has consistently opposed gay marriage, though many members of her Labor Party support it.
 
"I've made my mind up and my position on this is well known," Gillard told reporters in Canberra.
 
"I think it just reinforces this as a matter that people form their own views on, a deeply personal question people will think about, work their way through it; obviously President Obama has and he's announced a decision."
 
Religion-based opposition is strong in Egypt's conservative Muslim-dominated society, which rejects same-sex relations. Laws prohibiting "debauchery" or "shameless public acts" have been used to imprison gay men in recent years.
 
"This is unacceptable, because it is against religion, traditions and against God," said engineer Shady Azer in Cairo. "God created Adam and Eve. He didn't create two Adams or two Eves."
 
Gay marriage in legal in several countries; most are in Europe but others include Canada and South Africa. Several U.S. states allow it, but voters in many other states, including North Carolina on Tuesday, have banned it with constitutional amendments.
 
In 2010, Argentina became Latin America's first country to approve gay marriage. Cesar Cigliutti, president of the Gay Community of Argentina group, said Obama was only catching up to the rest
of the world.
 
"It seems to me that by taking this position Obama is aligning himself with the entire world, with
these times we're living in, with the achievements of rights in other countries," Cigliutti said.
 
Brazil's Supreme Court approved civil unions last year, followed by several state courts upholding the conversion of civil unions into full marriages. The nation's top appeals court then upheld those marriages in October, setting national precedent, but Catholic and evangelical churches and religious politicians continue to block the approval of any legislation in Congress enshrining gay marriage.
 
Moreira, the Brazilian activist, noted that efforts by President Dilma Rousseff to promote anti-homophobia education in Brazilian schools were scuttled last year after it became clear religious legislators would block unrelated legislation in protest.
 
In France, outgoing President Nicolas Sarkozy opposes gay marriage — though recent polls suggest that a majority of French voters support it. President-elect Francois Hollande, who defeated Sarkozy in elections Sunday, made "the right to marry and adopt for all couples" part of his campaign platform, and has set legislative passage of a bill ensuring that right for no later than June of next year.
 
Spain adopted its gay marriage law when the country was ruled by the center-left Socialist Party, but the center-right Popular Party took control of the government late last year.
 
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has said he would prefer civil unions instead of marriages, but his administration has made no move to change the current situation. His party does have an appeal of the gay marriage law pending before the country's Constitutional Court.
 
Jamaica's most prominent evangelical pastor and the island's political ombudsman, Bishop Herro Blair, said late Wednesday afternoon that he was just hearing about Obama's announcement and was still taking it in.
 
"For now, I can say that I cannot be mad at President Obama. We are in a society where people have choices. However, my belief runs contrary to his," Blair said in Kingston, the island's capital.
Though Obama's change of heart did not appear to change the battle lines in the debate, those on one side felt they had won a powerful ally.
 
"We're living in other times where acceptance is growing more and more," said restaurant owner Carlos Santiago in Mexico City's Pink Zone gay district. "It's impossible to hold back a wave, against something that is natural."
 
Anat Chen, a 20-year-old bartender in Jerusalem, said she expected more to come.
 
"Everyone should be allowed to marry whoever they want," she said. "It matters that Obama said it. Whatever happens in America, the rest of the world follows."
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Associated Press writers Alan Clendenning in Madrid, Spain; David McFadden in Kingston, Jamaica; Maggie Michael in Cairo; Cassandra Vinograd in London; Isaac Garrido in Mexico City; Franklin Briceno in Lima, Peru; Bradley Brooks in Sao Paulo; Charmaine Noronha in Toronto; Ian Deitch in Jerusalem; Rod McGuirk in Canberra, Australia; and Debora Rey in Buenos Aires, Argentina, contributed to this report.



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« Reply #1 on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 14:28:28 »
What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality? He is very clear on identifying the act of homosexuality as a sin. If an individual sows iniquity, they will reap corruption. Those of us that believe and know the Truth are not careful to say…“There is a pestilence in the land because of ‘homosexual’ activity.

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« Reply #2 on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 15:10:24 »
What of animal rights activists, and environmental groups? People adopt animals, and others hug trees; shouldn't they be allowed to marry the object of their affection? More than likely there would be little jealousy and divorces among them either.

Certain animals are already allowed entrance into hospitals, are heirs to fortunes, and certainly have better manners than many special interest groups I've seen rallying for their cause.

Flowers, potted plants, shrubs, and various horticulture endeavors of botany produce glorious satisfaction to those who partake of its relationship. They sit silently giving the recipient peace and just compare that to gay rights marriages or for that fact most of the world's marriages. People are seen talking to plants, though I do not know if they hear them reply; would they be required to say "I do" at the ceremony?

The title of your thread is "Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent." It may soon read "Obama seen as world president."

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« Reply #3 on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 15:27:36 »
Let hope that other leaders have more sense and are more God fearing, but I doubt it.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 19:36:45 »
Let hope that other leaders have more sense and are more God fearing, but I doubt it.



check this article out......(Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney sought on Saturday to calm fears that his Mormon faith would be an obstacle to evangelical Christian voters, stressing shared conservative values while acknowledging religious differences.

In a speech at conservative Christian Liberty University - where it is taught that Mormonism is a cult - Romney stressed their common goal of service to God and declared his opposition to gay marriage, a position essential for winning the majority of evangelicals in November.

"People of different faiths like yours and mine, sometimes wonder where we can meet in common purpose, when there are so many differences in creed and theology," the presumptive Republican nominee said in a commencement speech, addressing his Mormon faith.

"Surely the answer is that we can meet in service, in shared moral convictions about our nation stemming from a common worldview," said Romney to warm applause. Mormons, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, view themselves as Christians.

Romney went right at the latest hot-button issue, bringing much of the audience to its feet in cheers by declaring: "Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman."

Many students and parents said that while they are wary of Romney's religion, they would rather he occupy the White House than President Barack Obama who announced his support for same-sex marriage this week.

When Romney was announced as speaker, a shout from the crowd of "Beat Obama!" rang out.

The address was a test for Romney of support among evangelicals, particularly in a swing state like Virginia, and came after a difficult week in which he was accused of being a bully at high school in the 1960s.

The announcement last month that Romney would speak at Liberty, founded by the late preacher Jerry Falwell, caused an uproar.

LARGE CROWD

Liberty teaches that Mormonism is a cult, and university officials took down a commencement Facebook page after it was flooded with hundreds of posts objecting to Romney's appearance.

But some in the large crowd of 34,000 people on Saturday said they were prepared to look past his Mormonism and see Romney as the candidate with the best message on jobs as well as family values.

"I don't believe in the Latter-Day Saints, but I don't have a problem voting for Mitt Romney," said John Gambrino, of Stafford, Virginia, who watched his son graduate.

Current Liberty chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. told parents, staff and students that "we are electing a commander-in-chief, not a pastor-in-chief."

Romney encouraged students to stand by their faith. "Culture - what you believe, what you value, how you live - matters," he said.

Often derided by conservatives as too moderate, Romney would generate enthusiasm from those on the right of his party if they become convinced he can defeat Obama.

Romney will need Christian groups' votes - and organizational heft - with polls pointing toward a close contest with Obama in November. He can get them if he keeps to a socially conservative message, and does not take their vote for granted, strategists say.

Josh Gonzalez, a biblical studies major from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, said he was concerned when Romney was announced as the speaker at Liberty.

Gonzalez praised the speech, saying it was "very classy of (Romney) recognizing we have two different beliefs."

So did Romney earn Gonzalez's vote?

"In all honesty, I'll have to pray about it," he said.



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« Reply #5 on: Sat May 12, 2012 - 23:00:30 »
So this is what God's judgment looks like... ::cryingtears::

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Genesis 18:24  Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Will God find fifty righteous within our land?

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Genesis 18:24  Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Will God find fifty righteous within our land?

 ::pray:: And clinging to the promise God makes that if His people will humble themselves and pray, He will hear and heal their land....though I am convinced more and more we are quickly approaching the end times...my prayer is that we will humble ourselves, pray and be healed.   

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« Reply #8 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 04:37:40 »
There are laws and principles of areodynamics. They have ben proved beyong all reasonable doubt to be true bioth in theory and practice.
Man has a meaure of liberty to build a plane that does not conform to those laws and principles.But though he may have the liberty to build it.He will not have the liberty to fly it.
He can make laws that say :If you say MY plane wont fly and there is only one way to build an areoplane. Then you will be prosecuted.
Though you may get more people agreeign with  you.The plane still wont fly.
You may get such a union of a lot of people  and be abel to push it faster down the runway. It still wont fly.
You may make new laws that say if you do not coperate and agree with us and push this plane you will not only be prosecuted  but you will be put to death.
With such laws you will get many more people agreeign to push the plane.But the plane still will not fly .Though it may go faster down the runway.
You may get the said 'most powerfull man in the world' saying this plane will fly let us all join together "we can"!
the plane still wont fly.

To have measured the man  by the colour of his skin a lot of christians forgot "Man looketh on the outward apearence but God looketh on the heart"
The many christians who voted for him needto seriosly  reconsider thier polotics.For are we not citezns of heaven?
where ther eis no black or white?>
ne jew nor greek?

Evolution or Creation?
If evolution is believed in all its forms.
Then clearly  homosexulaity  is a new evolutionry branch.But as Homisexuals cant reproduce themselves .Long before you get there it is known that this branch is a dead end.

How then can it be acceptable?

You cant have it both ways.
If evolution.

Then it is a dead end.

If God by creation .Then it iks wrong  by that creation and also in its imorality.

Either the man is not what he claims or profesing himself wise he has become a fool.

Someone here has said  "IF my popele humble themselves (FIRST) and pray and seek my face and confess thier sins ,THEN will I forgive thier sins and heal thier land.

Homosxexulaity can only rep[roduce by corruption. That is to say it can only increase by corrupting that which is not yet corrupted.

Now some I have heard in the states with foul mouths and revilings think they do God a service.

This they do not.

When Jesus was reviled he reviled not again.

You can state quite clearly you oppostion to such things  and speak the truth.

But such ways can harly be said to "preach........CHRIST"

If the church is supposed to be the salt of the earth and salt is suppsoe dto stop the meat rotting. If when yolu loom around your nation and see it corrupt and corrupting.What then is the sate of the church in?

Perhaps too busy enthralled with these self proclaimed prophets and apostles .Who not only make merchandise of gods people  but also  are corruptign them.
Too taken up with propserity and emememememememeememememeememem.
Than to see a world spinning out of control hell bent on destruction.

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I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

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I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.


ONE christian?

Should not all christians?

is it not written all think the same? be of one mind?
Many Christians voted for Mr Obahama.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 12:49:23 »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::

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« Reply #12 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 12:59:41 »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 13:11:16 »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

What an arrogantly broad statement.

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I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

What an arrogantly broad statement.
  There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!

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« Reply #15 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 13:40:44 »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

What an arrogantly broad statement.
  There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!

Its not that what you say is not rooted in an orthodox understanding of what it takes to be saved it is simply how you so freely claim that all adherents of other faiths will be condemned to hell. It is a fact that you do not know every single situation of that vast "All" you so quickly condemn. Some may exist in complete ignorance of anything other than the faith they were raised in. Is our God (well my God seeing how you may seek to throw anyone not of your denomination under the bus) foreign to showing mercy to those invincably ignorant of Him?

You are so quick to place yourself in a position that spit-shouts condemnation on others in yet you don't stop to conider the gravity of your words. All leaves no room for divine exception or mercy. All limits God's saving work to what you perceive it to do. All means that if God in His infinite mercy decides to grant absolution to a cradle mormon or muslim or pagan of innocent ignorance you would denounce such acts as false therefore blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.

Remember that you serve God, He who is above things. Yes salvation comes by Christ alone but Christ in His mercy will judge the circumstances of ALL not you or any of us for that matter.

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There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/

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« Reply #17 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 14:38:13 »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/



I will admit that I do not believe much of what Joel Olsteen says, but I could not resist giving Chosenone this wonderful information.
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« Reply #18 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 18:51:45 »
Talk about screwy louie ...

We have someone in the White House right now who studied Black Liberation Theology for 20 years and if that ain't a cult I don't know what is....
and not too long ago people were scared of putting a Catholic in the White House .....now today JFK is considered one of our greatest presidents
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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #19 on: Mon May 14, 2012 - 21:11:10 »
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 24:22)

One manner of law for Israel, as well as for the rest of the sons of Adam. Let’s back up to
Leviticus the 18th chapter and start at the 22nd verse.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: (Leviticus 18:22-24)

Note what the scripture says, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination.

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #20 on: Wed May 16, 2012 - 17:18:32 »
Let’s take a look at some of Paul’s writings. Most people that call themselves Christians use the books of Paul to do away with the Lords commandments. These individuals have not gained their so-called knowledge through studying the Bible, they are on the “my pastor said factor

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #21 on: Thu May 17, 2012 - 19:25:04 »
The acceptance of homosexuality is also being spearheaded by today’s modern church and now being supported by the president of United States.


“….Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever.

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #22 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 05:07:28 »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

What an arrogantly broad statement.
  There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!

Its not that what you say is not rooted in an orthodox understanding of what it takes to be saved it is simply how you so freely claim that all adherents of other faiths will be condemned to hell. It is a fact that you do not know every single situation of that vast "All" you so quickly condemn. Some may exist in complete ignorance of anything other than the faith they were raised in. Is our God (well my God seeing how you may seek to throw anyone not of your denomination under the bus) foreign to showing mercy to those invincably ignorant of Him?

You are so quick to place yourself in a position that spit-shouts condemnation on others in yet you don't stop to conider the gravity of your words. All leaves no room for divine exception or mercy. All limits God's saving work to what you perceive it to do. All means that if God in His infinite mercy decides to grant absolution to a cradle mormon or muslim or pagan of innocent ignorance you would denounce such acts as false therefore blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.

Remember that you serve God, He who is above things. Yes salvation comes by Christ alone but Christ in His mercy will judge the circumstances of ALL not you or any of us for that matter.

This more in repsonse to your post  than to the one you replied to.

One has to consider the gravity of Jesus words..."UNLess you repent ye shall all likewise perish"
NO man cometh unto the Father accept by me"

".......................................Ye are of your father the devil"

I wouod surpose tryping can be misunderstood and attitudes  misunderstood and indeed hidden in others.

Yet  there is NONE from the north south east or west  who if dont repent will all likewise persih.

very sober and grave statement in deed.

It is NOT the curcumstances  that determine a mans future. It is CHrist and him alone . From there  it is  how close yolu follow  will then determine a future a swell./

in Christ

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #23 on: Sat May 19, 2012 - 20:24:45 »
Lets take look at another Article, and see how deep man has fallen from God (Jesus).


California Considers Legislation Making it a Crime to Counsel Children Not to Be Homosexual  
 
CNSNews.com) - Conservative pro-family groups in California are making preparations to challenge what they call a “dangerous

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« Reply #24 on: Tue May 22, 2012 - 17:24:18 »
NAACP backs same-sex marriage as civil right
(AP)–2 days ago
 
MIAMI (AP) — The NAACP passed a resolution Saturday endorsing same-sex marriage as a civil right and opposing any efforts "to codify discrimination or hatred into the law."
 
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's board voted at a leadership retreat in Miami to back a resolution supporting marriage equality, calling the position consistent with the equal protection provision of the U.S. Constitution.
 
"The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure political, social and economic equality of all people," Board Chairwoman Roslyn M. Brock said in a statement. "We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law."
 
Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and the District of Columbia, but 31 states have passed amendments to ban it.
 
The NAACP vote came about two weeks after President Barack Obama announced his support for gay marriage, setting off a flurry of political activity in a number of states. Obama's announcement followed Vice President Joe Biden's declaration in a television interview that he was "absolutely comfortable" with gay couples marrying.
 
"Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people" said NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous, a strong backer of gay rights.
 
Gay marriage has divided the black community, with many religious leaders opposing it. In California, exit polls showed about 70 percent of blacks opposed same-sex marriage in 2008. In Maryland, black religious leaders helped derail a gay marriage bill last year. But state lawmakers passed a gay marriage bill this year.
 
Pew Research Center polls have found that African Americans have become more supportive of same-sex marriage in recent years, but remain less supportive than other groups. A poll conducted in April showed 39 percent of African-Americans favor gay marriage, compared with 47 percent of whites. The poll showed 49 percent of blacks and 43 percent of whites are opposed.
 
The Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, applauded the step by the Baltimore-based civil rights organization.
 
"We could not be more pleased with the NAACP's history-making vote today — which is yet another example of the traction marriage equality continues to gain in every community," HRC President Joe Solmonese said in a statement.







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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #25 on: Tue May 22, 2012 - 17:40:15 »
NAACP backs same-sex marriage as civil right
(AP)–2 days ago
 
MIAMI (AP) — The NAACP passed a resolution Saturday endorsing same-sex marriage as a civil right and opposing any efforts "to codify discrimination or hatred into the law."
 
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's board voted at a leadership retreat in Miami to back a resolution supporting marriage equality, calling the position consistent with the equal protection provision of the U.S. Constitution.
 
"The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure political, social and economic equality of all people," Board Chairwoman Roslyn M. Brock said in a statement. "We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law."
 
Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and the District of Columbia, but 31 states have passed amendments to ban it.
 
The NAACP vote came about two weeks after President Barack Obama announced his support for gay marriage, setting off a flurry of political activity in a number of states. Obama's announcement followed Vice President Joe Biden's declaration in a television interview that he was "absolutely comfortable" with gay couples marrying.
 
"Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people" said NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous, a strong backer of gay rights.
 
Gay marriage has divided the black community, with many religious leaders opposing it. In California, exit polls showed about 70 percent of blacks opposed same-sex marriage in 2008. In Maryland, black religious leaders helped derail a gay marriage bill last year. But state lawmakers passed a gay marriage bill this year.
 
Pew Research Center polls have found that African Americans have become more supportive of same-sex marriage in recent years, but remain less supportive than other groups. A poll conducted in April showed 39 percent of African-Americans favor gay marriage, compared with 47 percent of whites. The poll showed 49 percent of blacks and 43 percent of whites are opposed.
 
The Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, applauded the step by the Baltimore-based civil rights organization.
 
"We could not be more pleased with the NAACP's history-making vote today — which is yet another example of the traction marriage equality continues to gain in every community," HRC President Joe Solmonese said in a statement.



Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Isaiah 5:20


The president, the NAACP and every person of authority and influence is culpable for all those who by the weight of their advice and influence comes into agreement with this ungodly proclamation

Grade school children are being asked to consider their sexuality before they are old enough to even consider sexuality

Sad day in America when I have to vote for a Mormon to counter the forces of darkness that are advancing it's evil agenda through the liberal left

who are calling evil good and good evil  ::frown::

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #26 on: Tue May 22, 2012 - 18:12:55 »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/



I will admit that I do not believe much of what Joel Olsteen says, but I could not resist giving Chosenone this wonderful information.
 ::pokingwithstick::
  However he is still an inspiring and encouraging preacher.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue May 22, 2012 - 18:22:58 »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/



I will admit that I do not believe much of what Joel Olsteen says, but I could not resist giving Chosenone this wonderful information.
 ::pokingwithstick::
  However he is still an inspiring and encouraging preacher.


Yep!

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #28 on: Wed May 23, 2012 - 09:20:28 »
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« Reply #30 on: Sat Jun 02, 2012 - 19:24:37 »
Lets take a look at another article and see how Obama is doing with his support for Gay Marriage.



Obama's support of gay marriage has offended some African-American voters. 
By openly supporting gay marriage, US President Barack Obama has offended many of the country's African-Americans, who number among his most loyal supporters. Several of the community's religious leaders have even called on their congregations to withhold the support that will be crucial to his re-election.
 
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Usually it's only 20 minutes by car from the South Side of Chicago to the city's dazzling financial world, from Trinity United Church of Christ to downtown. But on this Sunday, May 21, with the NATO summit taking place at the McCormick Center downtown, these two worlds are hours apart. Demonstrations have brought traffic to a halt, and police barricades block many streets.
President Barack Obama, once at home in the city's large African-American church, now travels through the city with a security detail.
 
Today, an acquaintance of the president's is addressing the congregation Obama once belonged to. Reverend Otis Moss III has been pastor of Trinity United Church for the past four years, and he knew Obama before he became president, back when he sometimes sat here in the pews among the other men dressed in black and the women in brightly colored hats and rustling dresses.
 
The service runs three hours, the congregation praying together and dancing to gospel music. This Sunday's service is hardly different from those in the days when Obama was part of this congregation -- and the great hope of many African-Americans. But is he still?
 
For four years, Reverend Moss has kept his silence when asked about Obama, declining interviews and avoiding controversial debates, knowing that the messages delivered in these sermons would only have caused the president more problems. For white voters, it sounds far too radical when African-American ministers recall white Americans' historical guilt and the legacy of slavery. Even the church's motto -- "Unashamedly Black" -- can easily deter white people. But this Sunday, it is no longer white voters at stake, but rather the danger that African-American congregations such as Trinity might turn their backs on their president.
 
A Betrayal
Obama, once feted as the "first black president," has now been dubbed the "First Gay President" by Newsweek. The magazine cover, which ran during the NATO summit, showed the president wearing a halo in the rainbow colors symbolic of the LGBT movement. The country's talk shows are all discussing Obama's courageous move in speaking out in favor of same-sex marriage, which so far is legal in only a few US states. It's a step that marks a reinvention of Obama's candidacy and has breathed new life into his bid for re-election. But for many African-American voters, the majority of whom are strictly opposed to same-sex marriage, Obama's declaration feels like a betrayal.
 
Obama must have known the risk he was taking when he decided three weeks ago to take this position, breaking with his former stance of supporting only civil unions for same-sex couples. Homosexuality remains a taboo subject in African-American communities, with 65 percent of African-Americans considering same-sex marriage wrong, as compared to 48 percent of white Americans. When the state of California voted on same-sex marriage in 2008, some 70 percent of African-American Californians were in favor of a ban.
 
When Barack Obama took up residence in the White House in January 2009, the entire world celebrated America's first black president. But Obama's election held the greatest significance for African-Americans. Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama, many of them turning out on election day specifically out of enthusiasm for Obama and many of them voting for the first time. Many continue to support him, despite the disappointments his term in office has brought. Unemployment among African-Americans remains at 13 percent, considerably higher than the national average of 8 percent, and 11 percent of African-Americans lost their homes in the financial crisis. Yet it is only now that Obama has serious reason to fear the loss of support from African-Americans. And without them, he will fail to achieve re-election this November.
 
Damage Control
Obama's declaration of support for same-sex marriage has African-American communities up in arms. Many African-Americans live in a culture that values strong masculine figures and looks down on homosexuality. "We've been taught that the institution of slavery 'stripped us' of our manhood, and we have to maintain what's left," African-American writer Charles Stephens wrote for the Huffington Post in March following incidents of anti-gay violence within the African-American community.
 
And few things have greater influence on African-American sensibilities than churches, which serve as centers of community life for many African-Americans. Twenty-two percent of black Americans attend church services more than once a week -- twice as often as white Americans. Many put their faith in what their pastors say and what is written in the Bible, including the statement that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.
 
Obama did everything possible to minimize the damage he knew his decision would cause. Immediately after his declaration, the president made calls to eight African-American pastors, including Otis Moss Jr., father of Otis Moss III and a colleague of Martin Luther King Jr.
 
Still, Obama met with fierce criticism, even from those who had previously supported him. Pastor Dwight McKissic from Arlington, Texas, declared, "Obama has betrayed the Bible." Pastor William Owens from Memphis, Tennessee, decried what he described as "the homosexual community hijacking the civil rights movement," adding, "I did not choose to be black, and you did not choose to be white -- and homosexuals make a choice to be homosexual. So why compare what we went through with your situation? It's not the same thing; there's no comparison."
 
Owens is now threatening to sabotage Obama's re-election, and he and many other ministers are using their Sunday sermons to oppose Obama's support for same-sex marriage. Owens has founded an interest group of 13 African-American pastors in Tennessee to take action against Obama. They're determined to deny Obama their votes if he doesn't recant.
 
The Sacred Right to Vote
But Otis Moss, the pastor of Obama's former church, disagrees with their position. "We should be supportive of the president and supportive of the rights of all in a pluralistic democracy that we're called to love," he told SPIEGEL in a recent interview. And in an open letter, Moss writes, "The institution of marriage is not under attack as a result of the President's words. Marriage was under attack years ago by men who viewed women as property and children as trophies of sexual prowess."
 
On the Sunday of the NATO summit, Moss read to his congregation from this letter, then quoted his father as saying: "Our Ancestors prayed for 389 years to place a person of color in the White House. They led over 200 slave revolts, fought in 11 wars, one being a civil war where over 600,000 people died … I will not allow narrow-minded ministers or regressive politicians the satisfaction of keeping me from my sacred right to vote to shape the future for my grandchildren."
 
The younger Moss continued, "To claim the President of the United States must hold your theological position is absurd. He is President of the United States of America, not the President of the Baptist convention or Bishop of the Sanctified or Holiness Church. He is called to protect the rights of Jew and Gentile, male and female, young and old, gay and straight, black and white, atheist and agnostic."
 
More Skeptics This Time
Moss sounds a little like Obama back in the 2008 election campaign, when he was the great savior, the man who promised change and reconciliation for a nation at odds with itself, the politician who famously declared in his 2004 keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, "There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America."
 
Obama's fight for same-sex marriage once again offers that kind of grand promise, a clear breaking point in America's long-running culture war, and presumably Obama made his decision partly in the hope of recapturing the magic of 2008.
 
Still, there are more skeptics this time around than there were during Obama's first election campaign. Many voters see this step as a calculated attempt to win the support of wealthy homosexuals who could be major campaign contributors. After nearly four years of Obama's presidency, these voters find that Obama's promise -- to build an America that is open to everyone -- rings hollow.
 
Many former supporters, meanwhile, sound considerably less enthusiastic these days. African-American professor Cornel West, for example, was once an avid Obama fan. "When you mobilize the legacy of Martin [Luther] King and put a bust of Martin King in the Oval Office, people elevate their hopes. Martin King is not just every brother," he told the Financial Times earlier this month. "It's like a novelist being obsessed with Tolstoy or Proust and then he ends up writing short stories that can barely get into some middlebrow magazine. Hey, you got our hopes up man! I was expecting Proust or Tolstoy, instead it would barely get in Newsweek."


http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/us-black-community-debates-obama-s-support-of-gay-marriage-a-835964.html