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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2012, 12:40:44 PM »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

What an arrogantly broad statement.
  There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!

Its not that what you say is not rooted in an orthodox understanding of what it takes to be saved it is simply how you so freely claim that all adherents of other faiths will be condemned to hell. It is a fact that you do not know every single situation of that vast "All" you so quickly condemn. Some may exist in complete ignorance of anything other than the faith they were raised in. Is our God (well my God seeing how you may seek to throw anyone not of your denomination under the bus) foreign to showing mercy to those invincably ignorant of Him?

You are so quick to place yourself in a position that spit-shouts condemnation on others in yet you don't stop to conider the gravity of your words. All leaves no room for divine exception or mercy. All limits God's saving work to what you perceive it to do. All means that if God in His infinite mercy decides to grant absolution to a cradle mormon or muslim or pagan of innocent ignorance you would denounce such acts as false therefore blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.

Remember that you serve God, He who is above things. Yes salvation comes by Christ alone but Christ in His mercy will judge the circumstances of ALL not you or any of us for that matter.
"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2012, 12:47:40 PM »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/

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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2012, 01:38:13 PM »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/



I will admit that I do not believe much of what Joel Olsteen says, but I could not resist giving Chosenone this wonderful information.
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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2012, 05:51:45 PM »
Talk about screwy louie ...

We have someone in the White House right now who studied Black Liberation Theology for 20 years and if that ain't a cult I don't know what is....
and not too long ago people were scared of putting a Catholic in the White House .....now today JFK is considered one of our greatest presidents
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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2012, 08:11:10 PM »
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 24:22)

One manner of law for Israel, as well as for the rest of the sons of Adam. Let’s back up to
Leviticus the 18th chapter and start at the 22nd verse.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: (Leviticus 18:22-24)

Note what the scripture says, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination.
Revrlation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2012, 04:18:32 PM »
Let’s take a look at some of Paul’s writings. Most people that call themselves Christians use the books of Paul to do away with the Lords commandments. These individuals have not gained their so-called knowledge through studying the Bible, they are on the “my pastor said factor
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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2012, 06:25:04 PM »
The acceptance of homosexuality is also being spearheaded by today’s modern church and now being supported by the president of United States.


“….Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever.
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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 04:07:28 AM »
I am not American, but could I vote for a man who belongs to a cult just because he opposes gay marriage?Hmmm not sure, After all he will be going to hell, as will all the other mormons unless they see the truth.
Would be brilliant if a true Christian would stand up for the truth, both in the USA and elsewhere, but I suppose that it would be political suicide to oppose such measures, but do they fear God or the gays? I think we know the answer to that.

hmmm let me see, a man who says he is a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion or a man who says he is a Christian who is pro life and believes marriage is between a man and a woman,

Not much of choice for we who say we are Christians all we have to examine is which group that says they are Christians believe what the bible says and which does not

By their fruits........ ::pondering::
  Muslims are against these things so are we to vote for them? This man is in a cult. It doesnt matter if he believes that marriage is for a man or a woman if he headed for hell!!!All mormons are headed for hell.

What an arrogantly broad statement.
  There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!

Its not that what you say is not rooted in an orthodox understanding of what it takes to be saved it is simply how you so freely claim that all adherents of other faiths will be condemned to hell. It is a fact that you do not know every single situation of that vast "All" you so quickly condemn. Some may exist in complete ignorance of anything other than the faith they were raised in. Is our God (well my God seeing how you may seek to throw anyone not of your denomination under the bus) foreign to showing mercy to those invincably ignorant of Him?

You are so quick to place yourself in a position that spit-shouts condemnation on others in yet you don't stop to conider the gravity of your words. All leaves no room for divine exception or mercy. All limits God's saving work to what you perceive it to do. All means that if God in His infinite mercy decides to grant absolution to a cradle mormon or muslim or pagan of innocent ignorance you would denounce such acts as false therefore blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.

Remember that you serve God, He who is above things. Yes salvation comes by Christ alone but Christ in His mercy will judge the circumstances of ALL not you or any of us for that matter.

This more in repsonse to your post  than to the one you replied to.

One has to consider the gravity of Jesus words..."UNLess you repent ye shall all likewise perish"
NO man cometh unto the Father accept by me"

".......................................Ye are of your father the devil"

I wouod surpose tryping can be misunderstood and attitudes  misunderstood and indeed hidden in others.

Yet  there is NONE from the north south east or west  who if dont repent will all likewise persih.

very sober and grave statement in deed.

It is NOT the curcumstances  that determine a mans future. It is CHrist and him alone . From there  it is  how close yolu follow  will then determine a future a swell./

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2012, 07:24:45 PM »
Lets take look at another Article, and see how deep man has fallen from God (Jesus).


California Considers Legislation Making it a Crime to Counsel Children Not to Be Homosexual  
 
CNSNews.com) - Conservative pro-family groups in California are making preparations to challenge what they call a “dangerous
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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2012, 04:24:18 PM »
NAACP backs same-sex marriage as civil right
(AP)–2 days ago
 
MIAMI (AP) — The NAACP passed a resolution Saturday endorsing same-sex marriage as a civil right and opposing any efforts "to codify discrimination or hatred into the law."
 
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's board voted at a leadership retreat in Miami to back a resolution supporting marriage equality, calling the position consistent with the equal protection provision of the U.S. Constitution.
 
"The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure political, social and economic equality of all people," Board Chairwoman Roslyn M. Brock said in a statement. "We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law."
 
Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and the District of Columbia, but 31 states have passed amendments to ban it.
 
The NAACP vote came about two weeks after President Barack Obama announced his support for gay marriage, setting off a flurry of political activity in a number of states. Obama's announcement followed Vice President Joe Biden's declaration in a television interview that he was "absolutely comfortable" with gay couples marrying.
 
"Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people" said NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous, a strong backer of gay rights.
 
Gay marriage has divided the black community, with many religious leaders opposing it. In California, exit polls showed about 70 percent of blacks opposed same-sex marriage in 2008. In Maryland, black religious leaders helped derail a gay marriage bill last year. But state lawmakers passed a gay marriage bill this year.
 
Pew Research Center polls have found that African Americans have become more supportive of same-sex marriage in recent years, but remain less supportive than other groups. A poll conducted in April showed 39 percent of African-Americans favor gay marriage, compared with 47 percent of whites. The poll showed 49 percent of blacks and 43 percent of whites are opposed.
 
The Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, applauded the step by the Baltimore-based civil rights organization.
 
"We could not be more pleased with the NAACP's history-making vote today — which is yet another example of the traction marriage equality continues to gain in every community," HRC President Joe Solmonese said in a statement.






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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2012, 04:40:15 PM »
NAACP backs same-sex marriage as civil right
(AP)–2 days ago
 
MIAMI (AP) — The NAACP passed a resolution Saturday endorsing same-sex marriage as a civil right and opposing any efforts "to codify discrimination or hatred into the law."
 
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's board voted at a leadership retreat in Miami to back a resolution supporting marriage equality, calling the position consistent with the equal protection provision of the U.S. Constitution.
 
"The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure political, social and economic equality of all people," Board Chairwoman Roslyn M. Brock said in a statement. "We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law."
 
Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and the District of Columbia, but 31 states have passed amendments to ban it.
 
The NAACP vote came about two weeks after President Barack Obama announced his support for gay marriage, setting off a flurry of political activity in a number of states. Obama's announcement followed Vice President Joe Biden's declaration in a television interview that he was "absolutely comfortable" with gay couples marrying.
 
"Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution and equal protection of all people" said NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous, a strong backer of gay rights.
 
Gay marriage has divided the black community, with many religious leaders opposing it. In California, exit polls showed about 70 percent of blacks opposed same-sex marriage in 2008. In Maryland, black religious leaders helped derail a gay marriage bill last year. But state lawmakers passed a gay marriage bill this year.
 
Pew Research Center polls have found that African Americans have become more supportive of same-sex marriage in recent years, but remain less supportive than other groups. A poll conducted in April showed 39 percent of African-Americans favor gay marriage, compared with 47 percent of whites. The poll showed 49 percent of blacks and 43 percent of whites are opposed.
 
The Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, applauded the step by the Baltimore-based civil rights organization.
 
"We could not be more pleased with the NAACP's history-making vote today — which is yet another example of the traction marriage equality continues to gain in every community," HRC President Joe Solmonese said in a statement.



Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Isaiah 5:20


The president, the NAACP and every person of authority and influence is culpable for all those who by the weight of their advice and influence comes into agreement with this ungodly proclamation

Grade school children are being asked to consider their sexuality before they are old enough to even consider sexuality

Sad day in America when I have to vote for a Mormon to counter the forces of darkness that are advancing it's evil agenda through the liberal left

who are calling evil good and good evil  ::frown::

::frown::

 
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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2012, 05:12:55 PM »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/



I will admit that I do not believe much of what Joel Olsteen says, but I could not resist giving Chosenone this wonderful information.
 ::pokingwithstick::
  However he is still an inspiring and encouraging preacher.
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My determined purpose is that I may know Him - that I may progressively become more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him, perceiving and recognizing and understanding the wonders of His Person more strongly and more clearly."

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Re: Obama gay marriage support seen as world precedent
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2012, 05:22:58 PM »

There are many cults and sadly many are deceived by them and their deceptive teaching. Do you think that Muslims will go to heaven? They believe in Jesus. So why would a person who is in a cult be saved just because they believe in Jesus.  I did a lot of research many years back about such cults and they don't even believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith. Satan is blinding them. Their leaders are blinding them. There can be no compromise when it comes to the Christian faith, nd if we let people in cults believe they are saved then we are guilty of letting them down. I would never vote for a jw or a mormon, any more than a Muslim or Buddist. How tragic it would be to have a cult member as a countries leader!



Uhhhhhh?

"Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen said he believes Mormon's are Christians, even though other denominations may disagree with some aspects of the faith.

"I don't know if it's the purest form of Christianity, like I grew up with. But you know what, I know Mormons," Osteen told The Washington Times in an article published Wednesday, regarding recent criticism of GOP candidate Mitt Romney's Mormon beliefs.

"I hear Mitt Romney -- and I've never met him -- but I hear him say, 'I believe Jesus is the son of God,' 'I believe He's my savior,' and that's one of the core issues," he added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/October/Joel-Osteen-Says-Mormons-Are-Christian/



I will admit that I do not believe much of what Joel Olsteen says, but I could not resist giving Chosenone this wonderful information.
 ::pokingwithstick::
  However he is still an inspiring and encouraging preacher.


Yep!
"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. Acts 20:27

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quoting Someone..

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