Earlier in another topic I posted the following:
Paul, indeed, has excluded "works of law" from being things we do to be saved. "Works of law" clearly are "things we do" that do not result in being saved. However, there is another category of “things we do” (generic works) that do apply to salvation, acts to which Paul would not apply the term “works.” These are acts of obedience that can be called “obedience to the gospel.” Where does this phrase come from? Now Paul doesn't actually use that phrase. However, a similar phrase—“ obedient to the faith”— is used in Acts 6: 7 by Luke the author of Acts. The Apostle Peter refers to “those who do not obey the gospel of God” in 1 Peter 4: 17.
....what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Pet 4:17)
This shows that the phrase is actually Biblical. But how can we relate it to Paul? Consider what Paul says in a couple of places: Romans 10:16 and 2 Thessalonians 1:8. In both places, like Peter, Paul speaks negatively of those who do not obey the gospel. Romans 10: 16 is often “weirdly” translated in ways that obscure the straightforward statement, e.g., “they did not all heed the good news” (NASB), “not all … accepted the good news” (NIV), “they did not all hearken to the glad tidings” (ASV). But what does Paul actually say? Speaking of Jewish unbelievers, he simply says, “They did not all obey the gospel.” Similarly, in 2 Thessalonians 1: 8 he says that at His return Jesus will deal out retribution “to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.”
(KJV) "But they have not all obeyed the gospel..."(Rom 10:16)
(KJV)"...when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them who know not God and that who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power...."(2 Thess 1:8-9)
We learn two things from these texts. One, if there is such a thing as disobeying the gospel, there must be such a thing as obeying the gospel. “Obedience to the gospel” must have been a concept in the mind of Paul. Two, both of these texts say that those who do not obey the gospel are lost, and it is emphatically implied that they are lost because they did not obey the gospel. This leads to the necessary conclusion that obedience to the gospel is necessary for salvation. This shows that “obedience to the gospel” cannot be the same thing as “works” as Paul uses the term, because the former is required for salvation and the latter is excluded from the salvation event.
Exactly what is “obedience to the gospel”? Obedience is certainly “something we do,” so it would be “works” in the generic sense, i.e., in the same sense that Jesus used the terminology in John 6: 26-29. Also, as obedience, it is something we do in response to a command or commands. This shows that what the Bible counts as “gospel” is more than just the gospel FACTS of 1 Corinthians 15: 1ff., and more than just the gospel PROMISES implied by “the hope of the gospel” in Colossians 1: 23. If the gospel is something that must be obeyed, then the gospel must have commands (imperatives, instructions) of some kind. RB, what are those commands? What are those things we must do?
I will just leave it there for now, but it is perfectly obvious that there are things that we must do in order that we be saved and not condemned. And those things we must do are not counted by Paul as "works".
I received no response to that posting; therefore I have started new topic which I would appreciate your thoughts.
It seems that we must understand what Paul means when he says "the Gospel of Christ" in the first place.
Rom. 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed
? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard
? and how shall they hear without a preacher
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Is. 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth
8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem. 10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. 11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD.
But who believed the "good news"?
Is. 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
It seems the Gospel of the Christ, according to Paul, was taught in the Law and Prophets.
Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached
, as well as unto them
: but the word preached did not profit them
, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it
. (Who hath believed our report)
3 For we which have believed
do enter into rest, as he said
, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Ps. 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice
, 8 Harden not your heart
, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. 10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: 11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
Are these the "fathers" who didn't "obey the Gospel of Christ" as Paul said?
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel
. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report
So didn't Isaiah also preach the "Gospel of Christ"? And who was it that "didn't believe the Gospel", was it not those who heard it first? In fact Paul said these are our examples so we don't "disobey the Gospel" the same way they did.
1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant
, how that all our fathers
were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink
: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Were they not overthrown because they didn't "Obey the Gospel of Christ"?
6 Now these things were our examples
, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted
Listen to Paul here as he prepares to teach those in Rome the Gospel of Christ.
Rom. 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel
to you that are at Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth
; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein
(Gospel of Christ) is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith: as it is written
, The just shall live by faith
. (Old Testament)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men
, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Isn't Paul saying again that it is in the Gospel of Christ where the Wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness of men? That within the Gospel of Christ it is written "The just shall live by Faith"?
What about Zechariahs? Did he "obey the Gospel of Christ"?
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began
Was Abraham and the King of Sodom also taught the Gospel of Christ?
Gen. 14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine
: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb
for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
How can I read these Word's of God and not conclude that Israel was overthrown in the wilderness because they, who were also taught the Gospel of Christ, refused to obey it.