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Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
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Obeying Law And The Results
If We Fail

    “I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate...For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out...Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me...Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?” [Paul, Rom. 7:13-25].
 
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    Paul concluded it was through Jesus Christ He was able to escape his fleshly dilemma. It seems Paul is saying in so many words, to paraphrase, “I cannot be perfectly exact in my fleshly behavior and in my efforts to obey law, but the Lord Jesus Christ compensates or balances things out.”
 
    Where am I going with this? In our writings and decisions, as well as in our everyday lives, too many of us are trying laboriously hard to be perfectly exact. I often see an element of anxiety in our efforts to be scrupulously precise. In serving our Lord, I do not feel He expects us to be perfectly exact in all situations—or decisions. For if He has that kind of expectations of us, not one of  us will be able to land on the shores of heaven, because not one of us in the flesh is capable of becoming scrupulously precise.

    I modestly feel we often go overboard in an effort to reach a point of being systematically and perfectly accurate. We need to remind ourselves that the only fleshly perfection we will ever experience was when we gave ourselves to the Lord. His love and grace have covered everything else since that memorable occasion—our defects, our fleshly weaknesses, our blunders, and our wrongs and questionable decisions.
 
    Comforting to to be right, yes! But God does not expect us to be robots, machines programmed to behave exactly as our Creator made us. We need to “loosen up” and let God have His way in our lives as we attempt to do His will. In those areas where we fail and fall and stumble, He will lift us up. He doesn’t want us to overdo ourselves trying to be perfect and then worry about it if we aren’t.

    Remember the story of Martha and her anxious behavior? “And she had  a sister named Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet and listened to His teaching. But Martha was distracted  with much serving. And she went up to Him and said, ‘Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Tell her to help me.’
 
    “But the Lord answered her, ‘Martha, Martha, you are anxious and troubled about many things, but one thing is certain, Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her’ ”
[Luke 10:38-42].

    Anxiety is not usually a positive factor but instead a negative reaction. This is why I suggest we all “loosen up” in our attempts to be exact and “let heaven take it’s course,” or allow God’s Holy Spirit to soothe and guide our spirit. There was a time in my walk with the Lord, I overdid myself striving to be exactly the way I felt He wanted me to be. Aging helped. Maturing, too, interceded in the way I approached matters.
 
    Recently, one of my readers commented on my column, “Fallen Believers And Restoration,” by saying, “I struggle so hard and fail way too often.” I responded, “My brother, the Lord knows the condition of your heart and spirit. When you strive but come up short, His love and grace will always rescue you. Never fear.”
 
    At one time, I was very much like this brother, striving so hard but failing. I was wearing myself out trying to be perfectly accurate. I now know the Lord understands me better than I understand myself. I now rely more on His love and grace, and my “failings” do not bother me as they once did.
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« Reply #1 on: Thu Apr 15, 2021 - 04:30:08 »
The quandary that you posed there is the same as posed and answered by Paul:
 Rom 5:20  Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
Rom 5:21  so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:1  What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2  By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?


The rest of Romans, chapter 6, expands on Paul's answer to that dilemma.  And in fact the broad subject matter continues all the way through to the end of chapter 8.

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Apr 15, 2021 - 08:26:38 »
Good post, but I must point out on the other hand that we cannot afford to become lax to sin. Yes, forgiveness is there, but shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid. Strive as if you have to earn up, but know that grace is the basis of salvation for us.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Apr 15, 2021 - 10:19:48 »

4WD & johntwayne:

   Thanks, fellows, for your input. I may have additional remarks later. Have a good day.

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Apr 18, 2021 - 05:04:22 »
May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.

This topic is very important for our salvation. Don’t stop here. We must find the secret of victory…

Rom. 7:14-24. In essence Paul says:

•   “24 I am a wretched man” (and many Christians, too!) … WHY?
•   “19 for the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice”. WHY?
•   “15 For what I am doing, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND”.…. Do you see? There is a lack of knowledge in this regard, because in 8:1.2 we see an explosion of victory: 1There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN and death.“

TODAY

Today the man of Rom. 7:14-25 is living in any Christian church and we have to know why that is so. For example, many years ago, I read a true story: Suddenly “he” (the man of Rom.7) enters the office of his pastor without knocking and threw himself in the chair across from his desk. He was sweating, and it was clear that he was nervous.
"Pastor, I'm lost!" he said. This three words described the tragedy of a soul in conflict. They had worked together planning a number of church programs for the youth of the congregation, but now with tearful eyes he kept on repeating: "Believe me, Pastor, I am lost!… Everyone thinks I'm a good Christian. My parents believe that I'm a wonderful son. The church members consider me a devout Christian. They have even chosen me to be the youth leader. Many times I hear parents telling their children: 'I wish you were like this boy.' Everyone regards me as a model of a Christian, but that is not true. I'm miserable. I just did something horrible, and it was not the first time. The despair and anguish has become so great that I wish I could die. I'm not what other people assume I am. I don't want to be like that. I want to be a genuine Christian, but I can't. I have tried many times, but I always fail…"

Reading that story, suddenly, I saw many other young people in that chair —"Pastor, I am lost!"… “Lost?” “Yes, lost in the church.”…

Now think about it… Is it possible to be lost in the church? Yes it is, and this case is a happy one because there is yet another class of lost people in the church that do not know their real situation - those who do all that is correct, follow all the church rules, meticulously follow detailed regulations, but they are equally lost. Why?

In Mark 10 we read about a young man like any other one in the church today who was very much concerned with laws and regulations: "Do not do this, don't do that”… But the law cannot save anybody… Many people are involved zealously in different activities of the church today, but those good activities cannot save them…. Many of them are lost in the church, too… Why? Because they have a lack of spiritual knowledge… They do not know the plan of salvation in all its details… “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…” – Hosea 4:6 NKJV (“My people are being destroyed because they don’t know me. – Hosea 4:6 NLT).

OUR CONDITION

We "were BY NATURE the children of wrath." Eph. 2:3.

“For I WAS BORN A SINNER— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.” Ps. 51:5 NLT

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. " Rom. 8:13.

"Apart from Christ we are "dead in trespasses and sins." Eph. 2:1.

"Of ourselves we are "dead in sins." Eph. 2:5. (The dead man can’t help himself!)

"The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Rom. 8:7.

"So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Rom. 8:8.

"Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires...." Rom. 8:5 NIV

"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.” Isa. 64:6. NIV (“We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind” – NLT)

"Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one." Job. 14:4.

"Without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5. By myself I (Jesus) can do nothing." John 5:30 NIV

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil." Jer. 13:23.

"For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do." Rom. 7:14, 15.

"As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do―this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.." Rom. 7:17-21. NIV

"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Rom. 7:23, 24.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE WONDERFUL PROMISES

"I WILL sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I WILL cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I WILL give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I WILL remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I WILL put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws." Eze. 36:25-27 NIV

"For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace." – Rom. 6:14 NKJV

"No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it." 1 Cor. 10:13 NIV

"But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." – 1 Cor. 15:57

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a NEW CREATION; OLD THINGS HAVE PASSED away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Cor. 5:17 (This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!" – NLT). What is the difference between a “better life” and a “new one”?

"So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature." Gal.5:16 NIV (So I say, let the Holy Spirit guide your lives. Then you won’t be doing what your sinful nature craves. NLT).

"To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy― Jude 24 NIV (Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault. NLT).

“(You) are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” 1 Peter 1:5

"having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever”. – 1 Peter 1:23

“Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.” – 2 Peter 1:4 NIV

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Yes, we have wonderful divine promises, however many of us are living a sinful life, and wish to see those divine promises fulfilled in their lives… Some people have a desperate battle against their sinful addictions…. They come here in the forum for men and ask help and prayer… Many are lifting their eyes to heaven and cry “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?" (Rom. 7:24)

WHO will rescue me? Already Paul answered WHO will rescue us – Jesus. But this is not enough because we must learn how to co-operate with Him involving our will and our surrender… Salvation is not only by faith, but also by our will.

Said Spinoza, the Dutch philosopher, "DO NOT WEEP. DO NOT WAX INDIGNANT. UNDERSTAND." And whatever Spinoza may or may not have known about the Christian life, who can say that his words do not fit the need of the man who discovers this strange division within himself? Weeping will not help. Growing angry will help less. Understanding the problem will do wonders!

We know the Bible is the truth of God. Therefore the list about our personal limits is true. And we know that the promises of God are trustworthy. Therefore we can claim them. And also we know that we wish to obey God… Then why do we experience so many battles in vain? THE ONLY ONE ANSWER IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOME IMPORTANT MISSING LINKS IN THE CHAIN OF BIBLICAL TRUTH.

I think this topic has relation with some other important biblical topics and we didn’t observe it. For instance, one of them is the new birth. Did the man of Romans 7 experience the new birth? I think yes, because my Bible says so. (However, I am waiting your opinion…). But what about our new birth? Are you…? How do you know it?

And was that man under the new covenant? What about us, because this is a “must” for us and we can’t be victorious without it…

Please, think about it:

1.   The man of Rom. 7 cried: “O WRETCHED man that I am!” (That means “sold under sin” NKJV; “sold as a slave to sin“ NIV – verse 14)

2.   The word “wretched” (slave to sin) is used in Rev. 3:17 - “… you… do not know that you are WRETCHED…“

3.   It is evident the man of Rom. 7 is described in Rev. 3:14-22. In that letter of Revelation we can learn how Jesus saves us from our spiritual slavery (addictions). We must study these verses in details.

4.   For your encouragement I point to an important detail. "Our man” ignores his personal fellowship with Jesus that is based on God’s Word; he keep Jesus outside the door of his heart or life… (Rev. 3:20).

I think we have to continue this study till we will discover our missing links… Then we will become true victorious believers. May God bless you.


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« Reply #5 on: Sun Apr 18, 2021 - 12:41:27 »
This thread is one confused thread from the OP and even more so the last post above me.

Reformer would you mind If I start with your post and point out some serious blunders you made? Or, do you even care to know? I would if I were you. Not going to waste my time if you refuse to respond back.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Apr 20, 2021 - 14:35:35 »
RB:

    "Reformer, would you mind If I start with your post and point out some serious blunders you made? Or, do you even care to know? I would if I were you. Not going to waste my time if you refuse to respond back."

    I am not interesting in opening another long dialogue with you, RB. I've tried this a number of times, and occasionally you haven't even replied to my responses. Find someone else, please, who doesn't mind "chewing the cud" with you.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Apr 21, 2021 - 20:26:55 »
“DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” – Cor. 4:6

PAUL:

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"Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” – Cor. 4:6

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“I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate...For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out...Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me...Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?” [Paul, Rom. 7:13-25].

to paraphrase, “I cannot be perfectly exact in my fleshly behavior and in my efforts to obey law, but the Lord Jesus Christ compensates or balances things out.”

My dear, our readers are in confusion and I think they are right… Your conclusion haven’t any connection with your Bible reference (Rom. 14:14-25). I appreciated your good intention… You desired to encourage us…

Now, please, think about it:

➢   “but I am carnal, SOLD UNDER SIN”. Rom. 7:14 “I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into CAPTIVITY to the law of sin which is in my members. (v. 23)

What kind of good works does a slave of sin do? Nothing good - only habitually singing. Therefore how much of his habitually singing does Jesus need to compensate?

➢   “it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.” (v.17)

It is evident his disobedience is the work of his sin that dwells inside him. Therefore, I ask you: Does Jesus compensate the works did by his inside sin? Or Jesus will give him victory in this regard?

➢   I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) NOTHING GOOD dwells. (v.18)

Can that man do good works? No, because the Bible says: “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one!” Job 14:4. “We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags.” Isa. 64:6 NLT. Therefore, I ask: How much compensation does Jesus need to do for him to make him good for heaven?

And think about it:

The men of Rom. 7 is the slave of sin (v. 14) and a captive of sin (v.23). Does he cry for help: “Who will compensate me…?” NO!  But he cries “Who will DELIVER me from…?” (v. 24). The solution of Jesus for a slave is not “compensation” but LIBERATION. Then he said: “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS MADE ME FREE from the law of sin and death.” Rom.8:2.

Now I’m interested to clear up the dilemma of Rom. 7:14-25. Who will help me to solve it? This study will help many people that are in the same situation today. Let’s study it in a united team. Is it any connection between that dilemma and the new birth of the man of Rom. 7?

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Apr 22, 2021 - 16:24:13 »
Bimbo:

    It seems our positions pretty well coincide, so no need to debate the issue. But if you have further comments on what we both agree, go for it.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Apr 23, 2021 - 03:46:56 »
RB:

    "Reformer, would you mind If I start with your post and point out some serious blunders you made? Or, do you even care to know? I would if I were you. Not going to waste my time if you refuse to respond back."

    I am not interesting in opening another long dialogue with you, RB. I've tried this a number of times, and occasionally you haven't even replied to my responses. Find someone else, please, who doesn't mind "chewing the cud" with you.

Kindly,

Buff
Buff, I answer every person every time, if I fail to do so, it was just an oversight on my part, which very seldom happens, but at times it does. You must have me confused with someone in your dreams~as your heart muses upon your own posts~for you very seldom respond to other's posts, I have yet to find anything in your posts that would cause a problem with my understanding of the holy scriptures, and if it did, I would acknowledge and thank you for making me studying more diligently, to be more perfect in teaching God's word.   

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Apr 25, 2021 - 03:15:21 »
May God bless you, Reformer, and also your hope regarding a better unity on the forum. (Maybe your name reflects your desire… All of us need a revival and reformation…). I know another member who has the same desire:

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“In times past I posted a lot in this forum [Theology Forum]. It took me a while to realize how divisive and fruitless this is……”

God says to me, and to everyone who come on the forum: "I want, above anything else, to have you in My kingdom. I gave My Son that you might be there. But the very stability, the preservation, of My kingdom demands that I make certain minimum requirements. This is the way it has to be. Please meet those requirements! I want you to be with Me!"

The minimum that God must require is expressed in the words of Jesus: “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” And then He added: “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” John 3:3.5

These words made it plain that there is no possibility of receiving eternal life, of having a part in the heavenly kingdom to come, except as one experiences the new birth. And there is but one major question one needs to: What is this experience of the new birth without which no man shall see heaven? The Bible makes it clear that the new birth means a RADICAL CHANGE in the life:

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (2 Cor. 5:17); "I will give you a NEW HEART and put a NEW SPIRIT in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful TO KEEP MY LAWS. " (Eze. 36:26.27 - NIV).

Notice: God gives the believer “a new heart”; that mean a new mind because “For out of the heart proceed evil THOUGHTS” – Matt. 15:19. Therefore, a new heart means a new mind with new thoughts, desires, plans and filings. It is evident in Eze. 36:26-27 that the keeping of the Law in our lives is the work of God through the Holy Spirit and the new birth (heart).
 
The fact that the newborn person is described as "a new creature," or creation, for which "all things have become new," and that “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may LIVE A NEW LIFE (Rom. 6:4 NIV), clearly indicates a fundamental, basic change.

It is not a modified life in which the sinner stops drinking and smoking, in which he tries a bit harder to control his temper, appetite, and entertainment habits. It is a transformation of nature. There is a death to self and sin, and also a new life. This change can be brought about only by the working of the Holy Spirit. That is the minimum that God must require from us. It is an experience that all, without exception, must have who are to be recognized as members of the family of God.

Therefore, it is important for us to ask ourselves: AM I a new born Christian? What are the SIGNS by which I may know if I am born again? And HOW can I become a new born Christian? However, we have to discuss another question, now: Is the man of Rom. 7:14-25 a new born Christian? This is a KEY QUESTION regarding his/our dilemma. We cannot understand it, if we haven’t a correct answer… Try to help with your meditations… We have to understand the cause of that dilemma. It is our dilemma, too.

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The man of Rom. 7:14 was born again
Rom. 7:14-25 NIV:
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14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do―this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
   21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God―through Jesus Christ our Lord!
   So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to god’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.”
When Paul wrote this epistle, he was an apostle full of the Holy Spirit, not a slave of the sin. His style in the present tense and pers. I singular is good for me. It helps me to see myself in this passage and to become interested in the solution of Jesus for my victory. However I will call him “Paul R”.

In Rom. 7:14-25 Paul sets forth two laws or two natures:

1.   “In the sinful nature - a slave to the law of sin”. (25 NIV)
   “sold as a slave to sin” (14)
   “it is sin living in me” (17)
   “nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature” (18)
   “it is sin living in me that does it” (20)
   “another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members” (23)

2.   The Law of God (In context The Ten Commandments – v. 7)
   “I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law” (25 NIV)
   “law is spiritual” (14)
   “I agree that the law is good” (v.16. 12)
   “in my inner being I delight in God’s law” (22)
   “the law of my mind” (23)

THE SOURCE OF THE SINS’ POWER
IS THE SINFUL HUMAN NATURE.


All are partakers of a sinful human nature by the first, or fleshly, birth. When a baby is born, the center of his life is self. As soon as he can express himself in the most elementary manner he begins to let you know that he must be satisfied, that his desires must be fulfilled, his demands met. As far as he is concerned he is the center of the universe —and don't you forget it! If what he wants or needs is not given him, he lets you know in no uncertain manner. If his will is frustrated or denied he will often scream in anger. This is the natural reaction, inherited by one who belongs to a fallen race.

As he becomes an adult he generally becomes more sophisticated and subtle in trying to get his own way. He will, to a greater or lesser degree, make himself polished and courteous because society will demand it of him. He will be cultured rather than crude; civilized rather than savage. But self will still demand satisfaction. Ego will have to be fed, protected, expressed.

Christ clearly implying that humanity is sinful at its roots, 'He said, "If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children,  . . ." (Matt. 7:11, NIV.). He suggests the same idea in His conversation with Nicodemus. He spoke of "Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life." John 3:6 NLT. Then, making it plain that He meant men are by inheritance sinful, He said, "So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’" - John 3:7 NLT.). In other words, you must supernaturally become radically different from the kind of person you are by birth; you must be transformed into a different kind of person.

By Nature Children of Wrath. A similar affirmation is made by Paul in Ephesians 2:3, NKJV, when he writes that the Ephesians, who were no different from other people, "were by nature children of wrath." And well known are his words in Romans 7, where he vividly describes his helplessness to overcome sins because he was sinful by nature.

We recall also the words of David: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5, NIV); and of Job: "Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No-one!" (Job 14:4, NIV).                                               

THE SOURCE OF GOD’S LAW IN THE HEART
IS GOD (HOLY SPIRIT)


The heart the Bible speaks about is human MIND, because “For out of the heart come evil THOUGHTS, (murder, adultery, sexual immorality…)’” – Matt. 15:19.20

Now can you tell me how does the Law of God come in such a sinful mind? Paul answers: “The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant…. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people…” (Hebrews 8:8.10).

And what is the result of this miracle (the Law in the sinful mind)? The Bible says: “I desire to do your will, o my God; Your law is within my heart." This result is evident in the experience of Paul R: Because he has God’s Law in his mind, he says: “I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law”. And: “in my inner being I delight in God’s law.” Rom. 7:25. 22, NIV.

Paul R said: “in my inner being I delight in God’s law.” And “in my inner being I delight in God’s law.” How did God do this miracle in his mind? Eze 36:26-27 is the answer:

“I will give you a new heart (new birth!) and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to keep My laws.” Eze 36:26-27 NIV.

The new birth! Christ offers this superior life as A SOLUTION for every person's greatest problem — the sin problem. All are partakers of a sinful human nature by the first, or fleshly, birth. By the second birth, (the birth by the Spirit or the new birth), Christians are partakers of the divine nature: “His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and ESCAPE the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. (2 Peter 1:3,4 NIV). This implants in the born-again believer a supernatural element for a life of victory and righteousness. In conclusion Paul R has two natures – a sinful nature and a divine nature…

“Wait a minute… You said that through his new birth Paul R received a new nature – or a divine nature. And also that a supernatural element for a life of victory was implanted in his mind”… But this is not true… I cannot see the miracle of victory in his life…

It is true that “No-one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.” - 1 John 3:9 NIV. However God’s solution for Paul R is there, even his victory over sin. Yes, the God’s solution and his victory are even after corner… (in Rom. 8:2!!). However first, Paul R and we must learn some vital lessons regarding our salvation from the bondage of sin. Many are lost in the church because they didn’t learn those lessons… 

Some main spiritual events in the Christian’s life are these:
   FORGIVENESS - God forgives the confessed sins and cleanses them. But how?
   JUSTIFICATION – God covers the confessed sins with the righteousness of Jesus.
   NEW BIRTH - the Holy Spirit gives a divine nature to the justified believer.
   SANCTIFICATION; it starts immediately after the new birth and is a progressive victory or obedience.

It is important for us to understand that ALL above points are altogether only ONE experience - the righteousness by faith. Therefore when God forgives us, He gives us power for victory, too. But it is evident that Paul R stopped at his new birth and didn’t continue with sanctification. Why? We must find the answer, because we need it for our own salvation.

Now think about these points:
   If I am a Christian with only one nature – (the sinful one that leads my life), I am lost in the church.
   If I have two natures (I am born again), but the sinful nature leads my life, (like in Paul R’s experience) I am lost in the church, too.
   What about you?...


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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #12 on: Sun May 02, 2021 - 05:16:00 »
THE SOURCE OF THE SINS’ POWER
IS THE SINFUL HUMAN NATURE.


All are partakers of a sinful human nature by the first, or fleshly, birth. When a baby is born, the center of his life is self. As soon as he can express himself in the most elementary manner he begins to let you know that he must be satisfied, that his desires must be fulfilled, his demands met. As far as he is concerned he is the center of the universe —and don't you forget it! If what he wants or needs is not given him, he lets you know in no uncertain manner. If his will is frustrated or denied he will often scream in anger. This is the natural reaction, inherited by one who belongs to a fallen race.
None of that natural reaction in the new born and the very young is sin. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "a fallen race".

We recall also the words of David: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5, NIV);
That translation of Psalm 51:5 is terrible. It is the attempt by the NIV translators to insert the bogus doctrine of Original Sin into the Psalm.  That doctrine is not there.  Clearly any sin indicated by Psalm 51:5 is that of his mother.

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #13 on: Tue May 04, 2021 - 16:39:39 »
Bimbo - Post 5

“Grace to you (4WD and you, our visitors) and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for our sins, that He might DELIVER us from this present evil age…“ – Gal. 1:3.4 This is not my promised post about the lessons we need to learn from the Bible… However this verses give us hope – the deliberation from the bondage of sin is possible for us, too…
 
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ps. 51:5 NKJV. David recognized that children inherit natures with propensities to evil (See Job 14:4; Ps. 58:3) He did not seek to excuse his sin, but sought to stress the still greater need of God’s mercy because of his inborn tendency to do evil.

“The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.” Ps. 58:3 NKJV “Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.” Ps. 58:3 NIV. It is a generalization that the wicked usually show a tendency to evil from early childhood.

“Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one!” Job 14:4 NKJV
"Who can bring purity out of an impure person? No one!” Job 14:4 NLT. Job admits his faults, but he inquires, “How can I be expected to be faultless? I belong to a sinful race. Why, then, does God follow me with so much severity?”

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We are a SINFUL RACE
SIN -  Defined as Breaking of Ten Commandments

SOURCE: Billy Graham, quoted in Sherwood Eliot Wirt, Crusade at the Golden Gate (New York: Harper, [1959]), pp. 174, 175.

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[p. 174] The Bible teaches, "For all —all—A-L-L—have sinned"; whatever your social standing, whatever your financial accounting, whatever your racial background; whoever you are, "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." That's your trouble. That's my trouble. We are sinners. You say, "Now wait a minute, Billy. You can say all of that in New York; we know they're sinners back there. But this is the Bay Area, and we're not so bad out here." The Bible says that the best of you have sinned against God.

Do you know what sin is? Sin is the breaking of the Ten [p. 175] Commandments. It is the transgression of the Law. And every person in this audience today has broken the Ten Commandments. But suppose you had kept all the commandments and had only broken one: the Bible says you are guilty of all. But in addition to that, sin means that you have come short of God's moral requirements. We have failed to live up to the Sermon on the Mount. We have failed to live up to the teachings of Christ. We have all sinned. We have failed. The Bible says that God, being a Holy God, cannot look on sin. And so we find ourselves separated from God by sin.

Now God loves us. God wants to help us. But God can do nothing for us until we come to Him.”

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #14 on: Wed May 05, 2021 - 05:15:38 »

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ps. 51:5 NKJV. David recognized that children inherit natures with propensities to evil (See Job 14:4; Ps. 58:3) He did not seek to excuse his sin, but sought to stress the still greater need of God’s mercy because of his inborn tendency to do evil.
Propensity to sin is not sin.

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“The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.” Ps. 58:3 NKJV “Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.” Ps. 58:3 NIV. It is a generalization that the wicked usually show a tendency to evil from early childhood.
Clearly that is hyperbole. My own kids were really very far advanced when they were born  ::smile::, but yet they were not able to speak as soon as they were born.  It took about a year before they could put more than a couple of words together.  It took even longer for them to understand the difference between speaking truth and speaking lies.  It was still longer yet before they understood that lying was wrong; and longer still before they knew and understood lying was sinful, meaning against God's law.

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SIN -  Defined as Breaking of Ten Commandments
Not just the Ten Commandments; but lawlessness, generally (1 John 3:4).  You must know and understand the law and its consequences.  We could discuss what law is being spoken of here, but that is for another time.

What did Jesus say about little children? He said,  "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 18:4). Sinners do not enter the kingdom of heaven.  Children are not sinners.

As I have stated here more times than I can remember, our spirits come from God (Zech 12:1, Eccl 12:7).  God does not give us  spirits dead in trespasses and sins.  Being dead in trespasses and sins is on us, not on God.

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #15 on: Thu May 13, 2021 - 21:12:22 »
Bimbo - post #6

Welcome back my dears. My computer helps me to feel your unseen presence and this fact is a great encouragement for me. First, let’s remember our friend – Paul R (the man of Romans 7:14-25):

Romans 7:14-25. Paul R has strong mental conflicts. He says: I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. … What I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. … I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do ― this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.…WHAT A WRETCHED MAN I AM! Who will rescue me from this body of death? … So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to god’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.”

We discovered together that this man is born again; however he is a wretched slave of sin. And I tell you the truth – many Christians have this conflict in their minds and they do not know its cause.

The new birth begins a life of growth in which the believer becomes more and more like Jesus — truthful and honest; free from impure talking, bitterness, and evil-speaking ; kind, tender-hearted, and forgiving. See Ephesians 4 :22-32.

Look at it this way. When we see apples ripening on a tree, we know it is an apple tree no matter when it was planted. So when we see the fruits of the Spirit — Christ's love, joy, peace, long-suffering, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22.23) — ripening on someone, we know that person has been born of the Spirit  It is the transformation of the life that proves the new birth, not the date when it began.

But some ask, "Why is it so difficult to do right and so easy to do wrong?" Every person has an inner disposition for doing evil. Notice for instance Gen. 5:1-3 – “When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. … When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.” What is the difference? “likeness of God” and “likeness of Adam”, (but after he became a sinner!). Compare with Job 14:4 – “4Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No-one!” And how did the sin entered our world? “12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man…” Rom. 5:12. Also Exod. 20:5 “I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate  me, but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me  and keep my commandments.” 

After the new birth, Christ lives in the renewed heart (or mind), supplying supernatural power to save the born-again person from sinning. This is the only way anyone can be delivered from the control of his evil tendencies. Without Christ living within, there is no inflow of His saving power. There is no defense against evil. The person goes on in his sins. This is one of the main reasons why Jesus said, "You must be born again." John 3:7. Wait a minute, you said Paul R already is born again, however he continue to be a slave of sin… Why is it so?

The born-again believer has two natures, the sinful nature with which he was born and the new nature, which was implanted when he was reborn. These two natures are constantly at war. "The sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.” Galatians 5 :17, NIV.

Think about it: In the center of a big garden there is a big weeping willow tree. Characteristically its branches drooped in a giant circle. The children of the family played under this tree as they grew up, its branches falling round them like a tent. And they noticed that every year long, ugly shoots with large round leaves of aspen would grow out from the trunk and they pulled them off.

Aspen leaves on a willow tree? Yes, a weeping willow shoot had long ago been grafted into an aspen tree. In time the willow had overcome the aspen, until all the branches were willow. Yet each springtime aspen leaves would grow out from the trunk.

Here there are some spiritual lessons about the new born believer. The life of the new born believer is beautiful. There is new power within, new strength to overcome weakness, and a sense of forgiveness that makes a man radiantly happy in his newfound faith. But many times this is not the case. Strange things may begin to happen. Old temptations, old feelings, old thoughts, and even old addictions may appear again for recognition. And he thought he could never be that way again! The new Christian is surprised and ashamed at the appearance of the shoots of the old life. He is divided inside. And he is discouraged as "Paul R" of Rom. 7:14-25.

The man without Christ has only one nature, the nature with which he was born - the sinful nature. There is therefore nothing to oppose it. But the man who is born again has had a divine nature grafted into his soul.

Two natures, do you see? Like the willow and the aspen. And these two are antagonistic. That is why there may be struggle in the life of the Christian. You already read: "For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want…” Galatians 5:17 NIV. Evidently this is why the Christian is faced with a conflict within, while the non-Christian seems to drift along with no evidence of struggle.

There are now two natures within the soul, and one of them will rule. But which one? In the life of Paul R (Rom. 7:14-25) the sinful nature is the master and we must know why it is so.

Are you born again? Which of these two natures controls your life? The one that is stronger. We must know this because whichever nature rules you determines your destiny. For when Jesus will come, your standing in that day will depend upon which nature then rules your life. And it will be one or the other. Only the one that is stronger; it cannot be both!

But now please notice the secret. Whichever nature you FEED will be the stronger. The Creator has implanted a new life and power in your soul. God has done in you a work of grace beyond the ability of man to bestow. But now comes your part. You can either feed or starve that new nature. The outcome of the conflict, in a very real sense, depends on you. The essential thing now is to utterly neglect that which feeds the sinful nature, while turning your attention to feeding the spiritual nature. Remember, the nature you feed will be the stronger. And what feeds one always starves the other.

Can a man take fire to his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one walk on hot coals, and his feet not be seared? - Prov. 6:27.28 It really is true. In most cases we reap what we sow. In nature, the farmer who sows wheat, reaps wheat. In human nature, is the same — a person almost always reaps exactly what he sows.

The law of sowing and reaping says that our actions — good or bad — have certain inevitable consequences; they lead ultimately either to a harvest of eternal life or to a harvest of eternal death. "For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." Gal. 6:8 NKJV "The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. - NIV

Do you see now why so many — and their number is legion — live on in a state of frustration? The problem is so simple. They have been feeding both natures just enough to keep them alive. They have just enough of Christ in the life to produce conflict, and not enough to produce control.

Remember the words of Scripture, "...and be sure your sin will find you out" Num. 32:23 And, "You will know them by their fruits." Matt. 7:16. For the man or woman who compromises just a little, thinking no one will ever know, will sooner or later be surprised and embarrassed to see those shoots of the old life appearing when least expected to spoil the splendor of the tree God planted.

Feed the spiritual nature, friend. That is the priceless secret of growing, satisfying peace! "How do you feed the new nature?" you ask. "And how can I be sure that it is strong enough to control my life?" The health habits of the soul are not unlike those of the human body. Let it breathe. Feed it. Let it grow strong by exercise,

Prayer is the soul’s breathing. Let the soul breathe. Pray now not as a duty, not merely when you are in trouble. Talk to God as you would to a friend. Tell Him your needs, your desires, your joys.

Feed the new nature. “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." Matt. 4:4. You have talked to God, now let Him talk to you — through the open Bible. You will find the promises of Scripture for you. And you will find Jesus in the Bible... “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world." John 6:51. Study the Word of God because it has creative power; you will be changed through its power… But if you study the Bible only to can contradict the others…. this will not transform your life.

And then, the deepest desire of the newly healed heart is to bring others to the same Source of healing. Such service is the exercise of the soul.

PRAYER — BIBLE STUDY — SHARING. These make it possible for the power of Jesus to flow into your life. Keep the gates open! Yes, whichever nature is fed will be the stronger.

Every day we live, we face a series of choices: The books we read, the clothes we wear, the company we keep. The thoughts we think, the care we give our bodies, the food we give our minds. How we spend our recreation time, what kind of TV movies we are watching, etc. All these and many other must enter into Christian living, for all these affect the health of the soul.

Which nature does it feed? Here is the question that will settle many problems of right and wrong. Some people have a way of stunting forest trees so that they never grow higher than potted plants. They tie the taproot so that the tree lives only on the surface roots. Your life can be stunted, tied by compromise and sin, frustrated in its purpose. Or it can be like a giant tree - free, deeply rooted in the ground and lifting its head to God!

PRAYER — BIBLE STUDY — SHARING. We must learn how these three sources of power can become three spiritual dynamites in our lives. We need to experience a true personal relation with Jesus… And to discover the victory’s keys in Romans 8 – the Holy Spirit and abiding in Jesus…

However, don't forget God will help you to apply these spiritual lessons to your life, only after you took a firm decision in this regard. See for instance Daniel 1:8.9 "But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. Now God had brought Daniel into the favor and goodwill of the chief of the eunuchs. Did you understand? First, your firm decision, and then the help of God will follow...

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Propensity to sin is not sin.
Only in the first seconds it is not sin; it becomes sin when are nestled in the mind. James 1:14.15; Matt. 5:28 NIV. Examples: Gen. 39:12; 2 Sam. 11:2-4.

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Children are not sinners.
A while your children are not sinners, but later they will become sinners because you gave them a sinful nature. Gen. 5:1-3 NIV. Rom. 5:12; See also Ex. 20:5

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SIN -  Defined as Breaking of Ten Commandments
Not just the Ten Commandments; but lawlessness, generally (1 John 3:4). 
We could discuss what law is being spoken of here, but that is for another time.
You try to attract me to off topic… In this case I have only one answer: Nehemiah 6:3-4.

I quoted in my last post from a sermon of Pr. Billy Graham – a very known pastor. He said: “Do you know what sin is? Sin is the breaking of the Ten Commandments.” Dear 4WD, I admired your courage to contradict him… (Courage or spirit of contradiction!?!) Please study the Bible before posting here your personal opinions.

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT LAWLESSNESS?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-lawlessness.html

“To be lawless is to be contrary to the law or to act without regard to the law. Laws are necessary in a sinful world (1 Timothy 1:9), and those who choose to act lawlessly further sin in the world. The word for “lawlessness” in the Bible is often translated “iniquity.” According to the Bible, the root of all lawlessness is rebellion.

“First John 3:4 defines sin as lawlessness: “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.” To commit sin is to be lawless; that is, the sinner breaks God’s law. In this way, lawlessness is a rejection of God.”

“Sin is the rejecting the Divine law.” - MATTHEW HENRY COMMENTARY on the Whole Bible (Concise) at 1 John 3:4. Notice that sin IS (not WAS) the rejecting the Divine Law.

SIN IS THE BREAKING OF LAW.

1 John 3:4 (KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (NIV) Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:4 (NLT) Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

See also:

(BBE) (CEB) (CEBA) (CSB) (GNT) (GNTA) (GW) (JUB) (KJVA) (NCV) (NIRV) (TMB) (TMBA) (WBT) (WNT)

May God help you to understand the true gospel of salvation from sin!

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #16 on: Fri May 14, 2021 - 08:08:25 »
May God help you to understand the true gospel of salvation from sin!
You need to be standing in front of a mirror looking into your own eyes with that plea.
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And how did the sin entered our world? “12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man…” Rom. 5:12.
That sin entered the world says nothing whatsoever about anyone other than Adam sinning.  It describes what Adam did, and nothing more than that.  The key in verse 12 is the last part, namely, death spread to all men because all sinned-- That says nothing about being born a sinner, i.e., it says nothing about the false doctrine of Original Sin.  That is a concoction that you have fallen for.  If you would like to get further into that particular passage we can do that.
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I quoted in my last post from a sermon of Pr. Billy Graham – a very known pastor. He said: “Do you know what sin is? Sin is the breaking of the Ten Commandments.” Dear 4WD, I admired your courage to contradict him… (Courage or spirit of contradiction!?!)
It takes no courage to contradict Billy Graham. I rather liked him generally and I admired his ambition to speak out what he believed.  But his "faith only" teaching was definitely wrong. 
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Please study the Bible before posting here your personal opinions.
And that also should be directed back at yourself while you are looking in that mirror I mentioned already. For clearly nearly all of what you posted there was nothing more than your personal opinions. Because the simple truth is that anything you say that is not a direct quote from Scripture is opinion.  No matter whether it is right or wrong, it is your opinion.

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #17 on: Sun May 23, 2021 - 06:00:39 »
Dear 4WD, I thank you for your post. I am very happy because you understood that SIN = TRANSGRESION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Now our God will bless you with more light from the Bible.

Bimbo – post 7

“O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God -- through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.” Rom. 7:24.25.

These two verses suggest this man knew that salvation from the bondage of sin was possible “through Jesus Christ” … However, he continued for a while to live in slavery… Why? I don’t know why it was so, but I know why we are in the same situation. We also know that Jesus can save us, but our sinful nature is still very strong because we don’t know how to cooperate with Jesus for our salvation. We don’t know the teachings of the Bible in this regard… And it is true that in general we learned 90% WHAT we must do and only 10% HOW to do it.

For example we can combine our prayers with Bible verses. The prayer based on biblical passages is very powerful. We find in Acts 4 that a group of Christians used Psalm 2 in their prayer and the answer was dramatic:

 23 And being let go, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24 So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God with one accord and said: "Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them, 25 who by the mouth of Your servant David have said: 'Why did the nations rage, And the people plot vain things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand, And the rulers were gathered together Against the Lord and against His Christ.' 27 "For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done. 29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus." 31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. Acts 4:23-31.

Another example: A vast allied army pushed ahead through the hills between the Dead Sea and Jerusalem. Ammon, Moab, and Edom had decided to unite their armies and attack Judah. - 2 Chronicles 20:1.2

Let us imagine that you already took a firm decision to seek Jesus for a victorious life, and started a special programme for Bible study and prayer… Are you prepared for the storm that will come after it? A legion of powerful demons is ready to attack you. Why? They disagree with your decision and come to stop your project to get more time for Jesus. But do you know the weapons you need to use against them? One of them is your PRAISE.
 
King Jehoshaphat, realizing that Judah's meagre forces would be crushed, called a fast and urged everyone to "seek the Lord." Before a large group assembled in the courts of the temple, the king himself appealed to God for help. The king’s prayer had some powerful ingredients – a kind of dynamites that exploded in the enemy’s camp.

The first “dynamite” of this powerful prayer was the fact the king began with PRAISE: "O Lord, God of our fathers, are you not the God who is in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. Power and might are in your hand, and no one can withstand you." 2 Chronicles 20:6.
Early the next morning the soldiers of Judah marched out to confront the invaders in the Desert of Tekoa, south of Jerusalem. Jehoshaphat decided to organize his troops in an unusual way. At the very head of his army he placed a company of singers, who led the way with praises to God for the splendor of His holiness. And when the men of Judah sang praises, their fight became the fight of the Lord. God threw the invader's army into chaos. Ammonites began attacking Edomites. The soldiers thought they saw ambushes everywhere. Moabites and Ammonites started killing each other. The confusion grew into a terrible slaughter.

By the time Jehoshaphat's praising army arrived on the scene, the Desert of Tekoa was strewn with corpses. A massive invasion had been defeated. And Judah's soldiers didn't even used their swords. What they did very courageously, was to go out against a superior force with the weapon of praise. Their God did the rest.

Praise is powerful. Praise accomplishes great things. But too often we just rush into prayer with a list of requests. Or else we barely manage to keep our thoughts from wandering as we go through familiar phrases. Starting our prayers with a time of praise to God would help us avoid both pitfalls. Praise can be the most dynamic element in our prayer life. It is a way of focusing our minds on the Person of God Himself. It helps us "seek His face." God Himself, not just His blessings, must be the major "target" in our prayer life.

At the start of prayer, fix in your mind the glorious Person you're conversing with. You can use the following verses [and other] as windows through which your own thoughts stretch out in praise.

PRAISE GOD THE ALMIGHTY for His...

Creative power Isa. 44:24
Sustaining power Isa. 40:26
Sovereign power  Ps. 89:9; Ps. 97:5
Rescuing power Ps. 40:2
Protective power Ps. 18:2; Ps. 36:7
Victorious power  Zeph. 3:17, NASB
Exalted power  Ps. 21:13
Unmatched power  Deut. 3:24
Unlimited power  1 Sam. 14:6
Unbounded power  2 Chron. 2:6

PRAISE THE ETERNAL GOD because ...

He is faithful through the years  Isa. 46:3, 4
His name lives forever  Ps. 135:13
He is always reliable Gen. 28:15
His promises never fail  Josh. 23:14
His arms are everlasting  Deut. 33:27
His word stands forever  Isa. 40:8
His righteousness endures  Ps. 111:3
He is forever faithful  Ps. 117:2
His plans stand firm  Ps. 33:11
He is first and last  Isa. 44:6

PRAISE THE ALL-WISE GOD who...

Sees deep within  1 Chron. 28:9
Sees far ahead  46:10
Sees everything  Heb. 4:13
Is pure light  1 John 1:5
Is unsearchable  Rom. 11:33
Holds all the treasures  Col. 2:2, 3

PRAISE GOD THE MERCIFUL who...

Forgives  Neh. 9:17
Favors  Ps. 30:5
Delights  Mic. 7:18
Is ingenious  2 Sam. 14:14
Is on our side  Ps. 56:9

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Next: Prayer based on Bible verses - part 2
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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #18 on: Mon May 24, 2021 - 08:34:36 »
SIN -  Defined as Breaking of Ten Commandments

SOURCE: Billy Graham, quoted in Sherwood Eliot Wirt, Crusade at the Golden Gate (New York: Harper, [1959]), pp. 174, 175.
As much as I like Dr Graham, I believe he has oversimplified it on this point.

Actually breaking the 10 commandments would be listed as TRANSGRESSION rather than sin.

There are sins, transgressions, and iniquities.  They are all different.

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #19 on: Mon May 31, 2021 - 04:35:24 »
Bimbo – Post #8

I have said above that Dr. Billy Graham had said in a sermon: “Do you know what sin is? Sin is the breaking of the Ten Commandments. It is the transgression of the Law.” Notice that Dr. Billy Graham refers to transgression as a synonym for sin!

And DaveW referred to Dr. Billy in this way:
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As much as I like Dr. Graham, I believe he has oversimplified it on this point.
Actually breaking the 10 commandments would be listed as TRANSGRESSION rather than sin.
There are sins, transgressions, and iniquities. They are all different.

Dear DaveW, thank you for your post. It is your first one for me… Permit me to do a very superficial analyse of it:

1.   Interest in and a positive help for our most important topics (victory over our sinful nature, or victory through prayer based on Bible verses) = 0 (nothing in this post).
2.   Bible references for personal opinions = 0 (nothing). A very poor post!
3.   Its influence over me: intelligent attraction to off topic.

I tell you the truth: SIN is the act, attitude, or condition of rebellion against God. The Bible terms for sin characterize it as a missing of the mark, a failure, a fault, rebellion, or deliberate unfaithfulness, lawlessness, impiety, evil, wickedness or unrighteousness, guilt and transgression. All are synonyms for SIN.

An Example: TRANSGRESSION is a synonym for SIN. See below:

synonym: SIN
https://www.bing.com/search?q=transgression&form=ANSPH1&refig=82d9fc8ce70543c089beb0303e3dd249&pc=U531

Synonym: SIN
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transgression#synonyms

= an act of transgressing; violation of a law, command, etc.; sin.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/transgression

Interview with DaveW and his Bible

BIMBO: DaveW, please tell me if the break of the Ten Commandments are sins.

DAVEW: Actually breaking the 10 commandments would be listed as TRANSGRESSION rather than sin.

BIMBO: “Rather than sin” ? Very strange!… 4WD had a similar opinion; (In context: “SIN - Defined as Breaking of Ten Commandments” by Dr. Billy Graham.) and 4WD wrote: “Not just the Ten Commandments; but lawlessness, generally (1 John 3:4).”

THE DaveW’s BIBLE: Why did you call me here? Ask me because I am the inspired Word of God… In fact I am Dave’s Bible…

BIMBO: I’m very sorry, honey… We have a problem… DaveW doesn’t understand the nature of sin. Is sin the break of Ten Commandments, or not?

THE BIBLE: Dave, listen to me, please…. The seventh command of the ten ones says: "You shall not commit adultery.” – Ex. 20:14. Now notice:

•   When Joseph was tempted to commit adultery, he said: “No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a WICKED thing and SIN against God?” – Gen 39:9 NKJV. My DaveW, are you with me? Here SIN is synonym for WICKED, and adultery is the break of the Ten Commandments.

•   Also Lev. 16:16 NKJV – So he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the UNCLEANNESS of the children of Israel, and because of their TRANSGRESSIONS, for all their SINS; and so he shall do for the tabernacle of meeting which remains among them in the midst of their UNCLEANNESS.“ Do you see? – “transgressions” are synonyms for “sins”.

•   Read about David – He transgressed the Ten Commandments (ADULTERY) - 2 Sam. 11 NKJV. And also read: “Why have you despised the COMMANDMENT of the Lord, to do EVIL in His sight? You have KILLED Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you HAVE TAKEN HIS WIFE TO BE YOUR WIFE, and have KILLED him with the sword of the people of Ammon.” – 2 Sam 12:9. NKJV. Now notice the David’s confession: “So David said to Nathan, "I have SINNED against the Lord." And Nathan said to David, "The Lord also has put away your SIN; you shall not die.” – v. 13.  In conclusion sin is the transgression of the Ten Commandments.

•   My dear DaveW, I am your Bible…. Here is the Psalm of David’s repentance (51:1-9 NKJV); Please, put down the synonyms for SIN from this psalm “Blot out my TRANSGRESSIONS. Wash me thoroughly from my INIQUITY, And cleanse me from my SIN. For I acknowledge my TRANSGRESSIONS, And my SIN is always before me. Against You, You only, have I SINNED, And done this EVIL in Your sight-- That You may be found just when You speak, And blameless when You judge. Behold, I was brought forth in INIQUITY, And in SIN my mother conceived me. Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me hear joy and gladness, That the bones You have broken may rejoice. Hide Your face from my SINS, And blot out all my INIQUITIES.

•   BIMBO: Listen to me, Honey… Many prefer NT texts for this topic… Please, have you got an example in the NT?

•   THE DaveW’s BIBLE: The strongest proof is the words of Jesus. Dave, you must trust in Jesus’ words… John 8:4 NKJV. A woman was caught in ADULTERY, in the very act.  Finally, Jesus said to her: “Neither do I condemn you; go and SIN no more." Therefore, my dear Dave, the break of the Ten Commandments are SINS.

•   Dear Dave, I am your Bible… But if you don’t trust in me any longer, please meet my sisters:

1 John 3:4 (KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (NIV) Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:4 (NLT) Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

See also: (BBE) (CEB) (CEBA) (CSB) (GNT) (GNTA) (GW) (JUB) (KJVA) (NCV) (NIRV) (TMB) (TMBA) (WBT) (WNT)

•   BIMBO: Honey, have you got a special message for all our members?

•   THE BIBLE: “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, For this is man's all. {“the whole duty of man” – KJV}. For God will BRING EVERY WORK INTO JUDGMENT, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.” Eccles. 12:13.14 NKJV

•   BIMBO: I believe the judgment will be made according to the Ten Commandments? Is it true?

•   THE BIBLE: That’s true, because James wrote – Ch. 2:8-12. “If you really fulfill the ROYAL LAW according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit SIN, and are convicted by the LAW as TRANSGRESSORS. For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by THE LAW OF LIBERTY.”

BIMBO: Thank you, Honey, your inspired words were clear and powerful. I think, now we have more readers interested in victory over temptations and sins. May God bless them with spiritual light and His gift of victory! We will continue to study about prayer based on biblical texts and about other secrets of the victory. We all must become VICTORIOUS PRAYER WARRIORS…




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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #20 on: Tue Jun 01, 2021 - 05:45:33 »
An Example: TRANSGRESSION is a synonym for SIN. See below:

synonym: SIN
https://www.bing.com/search?q=transgression&form=ANSPH1&refig=82d9fc8ce70543c089beb0303e3dd249&pc=U531

Synonym: SIN
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transgression#synonyms

= an act of transgressing; violation of a law, command, etc.; sin.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/transgression
You are using english languages references.  Do not parse biblical words in anything but the original languages.

The terms may be synonymous in English; but they are NOT in Hebrew. (and before you drag up that the NT was written in Greek) all the writers of the NT were native speakers of Aramaic, a dialect of Hebrew.   Paul of course, being a member of the Sanhedrin before his conversion, had to know 70 languages.  We see in Acts him conversing in Hebrew/Aramaic, Greek and Latin.

Here we see God describing Himself and listing all 3 separately:

Exo 34:7  KJV
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.


So let's see what the Hebrew Bible has to say:

Sin - chattah H2398 (feminine form H2403)  between them they appear in the Hebrew scriptures some 530 times.   It is an archery term which means to miss the target.  It is not intentional.

Transgression
- pesa  H6588  means to revolt - intentionally disobey. It appears in the Hebrew scripture 93 times.

Iniquity
- avone - H5771 means to be perverted/twisted and is almost always in reference to generations.  So it is the perverting effects of your ancestors' sins and transgressions influencing you to do the same. It appears in the Hebrew scriptures 230 times

And finally let's look at "sin" from the Apostolic scriptures - the NT.

Sin - hamartia G266 (noun) and hamartano  G264 (verb)  ALSO archery terms meaning to miss the target.  these are the 2 most common words translated "sin" in the Greek NT, between the 2 they are used 217 times.

I have also read before the 1611 KJV was translated, "sin" was an archery term in english -  meaning to aim at a target but not hit the bulls eye. It later took on the religious meaning we have today.
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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #21 on: Tue Jun 01, 2021 - 05:50:08 »
Dear Dave, I am your Bible… But if you don’t trust in me any longer, please meet my sisters:

1 John 3:4 (KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (NIV) Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:4 (NLT) Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

See also: (BBE) (CEB) (CEBA) (CSB) (GNT) (GNTA) (GW) (JUB) (KJVA) (NCV) (NIRV) (TMB) (TMBA) (WBT) (WNT)


Interesting that you do NOT list the original language texts.

Or even my English translations of choice:  New American Standard 72 or 95; or the Tree of Life Version.  Both rank higher in word for word accuracy than any of those you list.

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #22 on: Wed Jun 02, 2021 - 03:30:02 »
Jesus Christ was only and will only ever be the clean sheep without blemish. The perfect lamb

There was nothing in him

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Re: Obeying Law And The Results If We Fail
« Reply #23 on: Tue Jun 15, 2021 - 05:42:26 »
Bimbo - post #9

Dear Bemark you are right – Jesus is the perfect “Lamb”. His life is a perfect example for us. Therefore let’s follow Him. For example He attacked the temptations with Bible verses (Matt. 4); let us do the same for our victory!

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The man of Rom 7:14-24 told us the secret of his victory: “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

The key words in these two verses:

(1) “…not walk according to the flesh” (because our sinful nature became without power through starvation. See Bimbo’s post #6).
(2) The Holy Spirit.
(3) The Word of God, because the Holy Spirit gives us the victory through it.
(4) “in Christ”; “life in Christ” This means a very intimate relation with Jesus that is based on knowledge and love.

Being born again is possible only through the work of the Holy Spirit. His work is beyond human control. We can only resisting or permitting Him to do it for our benefit. When we surrender ourselves to His influence, the Holy Spirit produces a new life in us.

Through the Holy Spirit, Jesus implants in us:
•   new thoughts,
•   new feelings,
•   new motives.

Results:
•   He awakens our conscience,
•   changes our mind,
•   subdues every unholy desire,
•   and fills us with the sweet peace of heaven.
•   Though the change doesn’t happen instantly, over time we do become new creatures in Christ. We must to, because our natural birth, isn’t right with God.

The development of our spiritual life is possible only by constantly depending on Jesus. He showed us how to accomplish this: “I am the vine, you are the branches” - (John 15:5, NKJV). He taught us to be continually united with Him just as the branches abide in the vine.

We can receive victory over sins only through a continue relation with Jesus. Devotional time in the morning is important, but our communion with Jesus must continue throughout the day. Abiding in Christ means seeking Him constantly, asking for His guidance, praying for His strength to obey His will.

Jesus said: “Without Me you can do nothing” (John 15:5, NKJV). Without Him we cannot resist even one temptation, overcome one sin, or develop a character in His likeness. We need an uninterrupted communion with Christ.

GOD’S WORD - OUR SOURCE OF POWER

•   The heavens were made through the Word of God - Psalm 33:6-9; 2 Peter 3:5,6.
•   Christ upholds all things by the Word of His power - Hebrews 1:3.
•   The creative power was exercised through the Word of God Psalm 148:5.
•   The Christian is made a new creature through the divine Word - 2 Corinthians
•   5:17 comp. 1 Peter 1:23
•   The first creative commandment that is mentioned in the Bible - Genesis 1:3
•   The power of Christ's commands to demons - Luke 4:36
•   In ancient times God healed His people through His Word - Psalm 107:20
•   The Roman centurion revealed his strong faith in Christ’s Word - Matthew 8:8
•   The Word of God works in the life of the believer through faith - 1 Thessalonians 2:13.
•   A new nature is imparted to us through the promises of God (His Word) - 2 Peter 1:4
•   The Word of Christ can cleanse the lives of His believers - John 15:3
•   How can a young man cleanse his ways - Psalm119:9
•   What is the result of accepting the Word of God into the heart and life? Psalm 119:11

 APPLICATION - “Take …. the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.” Eph. 6:17 Take it in your battle with temptations!

•   This sword – God’s Word – is both defensive and offensive. Look at the example of Jesus when He attacked the temptations with it (Matt. 4:1-11).  With this sword the Christian cut his way through all circumstances.

•   When we use it in our prayer, it becomes the Spirit’s sword, and He acts with His power. “For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword.” Hebrews 4:12.

•   To win, we must use appropriate verses of the Bible to block Satan and then to continue the battle with him. And to do this, we must be saturated with Scripture. {This will change our lives!}. Joshua – the leader of God’s people - was told to meditate on God’s Word day and night. (1:8). This was the secret of his success.

•   The Bible contains thousands of commands, records of God’s actions, rules for conduct in every crisis, and promises of what God is willing to do for us, and we can use them to block the satanic attacks.

•   In this way we go to battle over every kind of life problem - when we, or someone else, are under personal attack in some area of life. It may be sickness, accident, finances, church problems, marriage difficulties, or trouble between parents and children.

•   Knowing Scripture is just the first step. Then you must develop skill in using the Spirit’s sword effectively against all sorts of attacks. When you encounter a problem that you need to take to God in prayer, spend some time with your concordance before praying. Look up any texts you find which concern that particular problem. Let God’s Spirit impress you with power texts for your prayer. Then, when you pray, bring those texts to God and repeat them in your prayer. For example, see in Acts 4:23-31 how the apostles used Psalm 2 in their prayer.

You can use God’s past miracles in your spiritual battles:

Search in the Bible events that involved problems similar to the ones you need to pray about. See — and list — how God intervened in ancient times. Use these stories to build your own faith. God does not change. We can count on Him to act the same in similar circumstances. Bring these examples from the Bible to Him in prayer. Point out the similarity of your problems to those you’ve discovered in His Word, and affirm your faith that He will bring His power and wisdom to help in your situation.

Are you in a great difficulty and don’t have any solution for salvation? Read Exod. 14 and 15. Choose some verses from there and ask God to repeat the event with application to your situation. Or you can repeat to God the prayer of Jehoshaphat (2 Chr. 20), applying its details to your problem. Or you need forgiveness and spiritual healing because you cannot go on the way of obedience… You can read Mark 2:1-12 and ask God, in faith, to repeat the event with application to your case. But do not forget Jesus said we have to persist in prayer…

You can rely on what God has completed:

Watch the action words in Bible texts. Note the difference between what God promises to do and what He already has done. Promises may come with conditions attached which must be met to open the way for the promise to be fulfilled. But what God has already done is available for our use now We can stand on it firmly.

Look at Ephesians 1:3, for example: “The Father ... has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.” This is not a promise — it is an accomplished fact. Those blessings have already been given us. They are ours. All we have to do is to ask God to apply them to our present problem.

Also, Colossians 1:13 says that God “has delivered us from the powers of darkness.” That is not a promise, but an accomplished fact. It has already taken place. When it looks as if Satan is about to gain a victory, we can take this verse and attack the problem with it. If we are already delivered from the powers of darkness, they can have no real power over us. There are hundreds of such finished transactions in the Bible to use as sword thrusts against problems and crises.

You can pray the verse back to God:

Take a verse that applies to your particular prayer battle. Meditate on  the meaning of every word and phrase. Then pray it back to God phrase by phrase, telling Him what it means to you and how you think it applies to your own prayer burden.

Matthew 28:20. - “Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world.” “Lord,” you respond, “I believe you are with me always. Right now the problem I’m praying about is difficult. Things seem dark. In fact, there are times when I don’t even feel You near. But You have said You are with me. I believe it, and I thank You for it, whether I feel it or not. I release the problem to You. So I’m going out to face this problem confident of Your presence and guidance. Thank You, in Jesus’ name.” Practice this regularly. It is one of the most powerful sword strokes you can use in battle.

He said, so I can say:

Hebrews 13:5, 6: “He hath said, ‘I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.’ So we may boldly say, `The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.’” This battle skill gains its power from making an immediate application of what God has promised or done. Notice that you begin with what the Bible says. Then you confess your confidence and affirm the action you intend to take.

Keep in mind that Jesus is also the Living Word of God. He too is the Sword of the Spirit. Since He is always with you, you never fight the battle alone. However strong the battle, you can always call on Him to use His skill as a Master Warrior on your behalf.

And don’t forgive the powerful prayer based on biblical praise. See Bimbo – post 7.

Pray for people

Choose five people to pray for. Those on your prayer list may be family members, friends, or coworkers. They may be individuals who have either left the church, or were never members of the church. Pray for these individuals every day claiming Bible verses on their behalf.

Some examples: 

1. That they turn from sin (Acts 3:19)
2. That they seek to know God (Acts 17:27)
3. That they believe the Word of God (1 Thess. 2:13)
4. That Jesus draw them to Himself (John 12:32)
5. That they be born again through Bible study. (1 Peter 1:23)
6. That they believe in Christ as their Savior (John 1:12)
7. That they obey Christ as Lord (Matt. 7:21)

Let us test the power of the Bible for a victorious life! May God bless you with experiences in this regard.


 

     
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