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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #315 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 20:56:09 »
why have'nt the people who believe in resurrection sunday commented on why they call it resurrection sunday?

we read where he was gone when mary came to the sephucre before sunday.

Jesus was GONE.

lets finish this

where did Jesus rise to?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus did not ascend to the Father on sunday that for sure!!!



I believe He did ascend to His Father...
I believe Mary interrupted Him as He was on His way to heaven to perform the preistly ritual of applying His blood to the sacred furniture in the heavenly temple once and for all! Scriptures teach that Christ blood was necessary even for the things in heaven (Heb. 9:23)

Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with greater and more perfect tabernacles not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.  Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11,12)

When Christ was crucified he did not have any clothes except his burial clothes which the disciples found folded in the tomb. I believe when Mary saw him He had on His High Priest linen garments. His blood provided payment for access into the presence of God.  

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« Reply #316 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 20:56:56 »
Jonah 2:9
But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.


John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.


salvation is of the Lord and the Jews according to what we read here!!!


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« Reply #317 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 21:02:26 »
why have'nt the people who believe in resurrection sunday commented on why they call it resurrection sunday?

we read where he was gone when Mary came to the sepulchre before Sunday.

Jesus was GONE.

lets finish this

where did Jesus rise to?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus did not ascend to the Father on sunday that for sure!!!



I believe He did ascend to His Father...
I believe Mary interrupted Him as He was on His way to heaven to perform the preistly ritual of applying His blood to the sacred furniture in the heavenly temple once and for all! Scriptures teach that Christ blood was necessary even for the things in heaven (Heb. 9:23)

Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with greater and more perfect tabernacles not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.  Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11,12)

When Christ was crucified he did not have any clothes except his burial clothes which the disciples found folded in the tomb. I believe when Mary saw him He had on His High Priest linen garments. His blood provided payment for access into the presence of God. 

see this exactly what I'm talking about you read what was said

what do you read here?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

who should we beleive you are God?
who should you beleive your own thoughts or Jesus?

there was angels with the Lord when he rose from the dead maybe they gave him some clothes, maybe they attended to him.

yes his blood provided payement for our sins but Paul tells you what sins

Romans 3:24-26 (King James Version)

 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


notice the sins that are past?

do you beleive what Paul has said here?

 

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« Reply #318 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 21:03:54 »
Howard, Daniel 9 talking about the weeks and stuff is weeks of years because the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah was 400 plus years it could not be referring to standard 7 day weeks.

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« Reply #319 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 21:06:46 »
Howard, Daniel 9 talking about the weeks and stuff is weeks of years because the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah was 400 plus years it could not be referring to standard 7 day weeks.

Jaime

it has a duel meaning

the prophetic weeks and the literal weeks

this is why I ask what day did the animal sacrifice cease?

what day did the the Lord die on?

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« Reply #320 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 21:13:45 »
I don't think there is a place there for literal weeks. The reason for the sacrifices ceased at jesus' death. Of course the Jews didn't recognize that and the sacrifices continued until the temple was destroyed. But to each his own.

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« Reply #321 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 21:21:57 »
why have'nt the people who believe in resurrection sunday commented on why they call it resurrection sunday?

we read where he was gone when Mary came to the sepulchre before Sunday.

Jesus was GONE.

lets finish this

where did Jesus rise to?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus did not ascend to the Father on sunday that for sure!!!



I believe He did ascend to His Father...
I believe Mary interrupted Him as He was on His way to heaven to perform the preistly ritual of applying His blood to the sacred furniture in the heavenly temple once and for all! Scriptures teach that Christ blood was necessary even for the things in heaven (Heb. 9:23)

Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with greater and more perfect tabernacles not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.  Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11,12)

When Christ was crucified he did not have any clothes except his burial clothes which the disciples found folded in the tomb. I believe when Mary saw him He had on His High Priest linen garments. His blood provided payment for access into the presence of God. 

see this exactly what I'm talking about you read what was said

what do you read here?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

who should we believe you are God?
who should you believe your own thoughts or Jesus?

there was angels with the Lord when he rose from the dead maybe they gave him some clothes, maybe they attended to him.

yes his blood provided payement for our sins but Paul tells you what sins

Romans 3:24-26 (King James Version)

 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


notice the sins that are past?

do you believe what Paul has said here?

 

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe." (John 14:28-29)
 
Jesus said that He was going to the Father and then coming back to the disciples, and then they would believe the things He said about Himself. When did the disciples believe these things? On the day that Jesus was resurrected (John 20:19-31). On Resurrection Sunday, Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth, just as He had promised He would.

"Some of his disciples said to one another, "What does he mean by saying, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,' and 'Because I am going to the Father'?" They kept asking, "What does he mean by 'a little while'? We don't understand what he is saying." Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, "Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me'? I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy."" (John 16:17-20)
 
On the night before He was crucified, Jesus told the disciples that in a little while they would no longer see Him because He was going to the Father. Then after a little while they would see Him again and their grief would turn to joy. When did the disciples see Jesus again, and when did their grief turn to joy? On the day that Jesus was resurrected (John 20:19-20). When Jesus said that He was going to the Father and then returning to the earth, and their grief would then turn to joy, He was referring to Resurrection Sunday, not the Ascension.

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« Reply #322 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 06:51:06 »

how can you know anything about Hindu's when yo can't figure how to get 3 days and 3 nights from good Friday to Easter Sunday morning?

at least have a Hindu on site to defend there beliefs.

protestants are using prayer beads
Roman catholic use prayer beads
Hindu's use prayer beads

why the similarities?
why the prayer beads?



Because it all stems from the same root, Paganism, celebrations of the land, renewal, rebirth is always in the springtime. Passover, cross-over to the other side and tell us what you see. Hinduism was the mother of Judaism and Judaism brought forth Christianity, these are constant rebirths.

Matthew 24:32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door.


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« Reply #323 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 07:08:29 »
Ancient people were so scared from all the un-explainable disasters happening to the land, plagues, floods, changes in gravitational forces from the movement of other planets, meteorites, stars and shifts in the planet. These things all happened in the beginning when the solar system was being formed. The ancients didn't know better so they created ways to appease God so it wouldn't happen. The rules for people kept changing, but God doesn't change.

Jesus warns us that similar things will happen and people with their ancient minds still believe that following rituals is going to save them. When it was those rituals that got them in trouble in the first place.

Too bad everyone couldn't just let it go with Jesus, we could have advanced so much faster and gone so much further because of what Jesus taught us. A lot of people can't get past ancient thinking, something is embedded in our minds so deep that scares us about life on earth. Jesus didn't think like the others did he? No, he went past the ancient brain, over 2,000 of perfectly good brains all gone to waste because they let ancient people do the thinking for them.

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« Reply #324 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 07:51:05 »
I don't think there is a place there for literal weeks. The reason for the sacrifices ceased at jesus' death. Of course the Jews didn't recognize that and the sacrifices continued until the temple was destroyed. But to each his own.

it don't matter what the Jews thought

the veil of the temple ripped into two signifying what?

who did it?

sacrifice ceased when? at what point in history?

the Messiah was cut off when? and for whom ?

simple question to answer.


it all happened on a day?

what day?




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« Reply #325 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 08:01:19 »
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author=Bitter Sweet link=topic=62307.msg1054687315#msg1054687315 date=1333714109]
Ancient people were so scared from all the un-explainable disasters happening to the land, plagues, floods, changes in gravitational forces from the movement of other planets, meteorites, stars and shifts in the planet. These things all happened in the beginning when the solar system was being formed. The ancients didn't know better so they created ways to appease God so it wouldn't happen. The rules for people kept changing, but God doesn't change
.

it seems today that Modern people are scared of the disasters of today. Servants of God know that was going on then as the servants know know.

Abraham knew what was going to happen to Sodom when the Lord told him.
Moses was told what was going to happen to Egypt 
We are told what is going to happen in our generation

 
Matthew 24 (King James Version)

Matthew 24
 1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

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Jesus warns us that similar things will happen and people with their ancient minds still believe that following rituals is going to save them. When it was those rituals that got them in trouble in the first place.

what ancient rituals you speak of? Easter, good Friday, Xmas, sunday, etc
surely you are not bold enough to call Jesus holy days ancient rituals?


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Too bad everyone couldn't just let it go with Jesus, we could have advanced so much faster and gone so much further because of what Jesus taught us. A lot of people can't get past ancient thinking, something is embedded in our minds so deep that scares us about life on earth. Jesus didn't think like the others did he? No, he went past the ancient brain, over 2,000 of perfectly good brains all gone to waste because they let ancient people do the thinking for them.

Satan is doing the his job

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

from the time of the ancient as you call them and beyond us

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



so the whole world lieth in wickedness

1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

except those who do as the Lord says

sabbath day
commandments
high holy days
dietary laws

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« Reply #326 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 08:09:57 »

how can you know anything about Hindu's when yo can't figure how to get 3 days and 3 nights from good Friday to Easter Sunday morning?

at least have a Hindu on site to defend there beliefs.

protestants are using prayer beads
Roman catholic use prayer beads
Hindu's use prayer beads

why the similarities?
why the prayer beads?




Because it all stems from the same root, Paganism, celebrations of the land, renewal, rebirth is always in the springtime. Passover, cross-over to the other side and tell us what you see. Hinduism was the mother of Judaism and Judaism brought forth Christianity, these are constant rebirths.

Matthew 24:32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door.




Sister

maybe our God is trying to show us something when he moved his beginning of months to the spring

if He moved it man had it somewhere else as he does today

there is no life on January 1st

man moved it again as the Lord said he would

 Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

its obvious the Egyptian had the new year on a different date, the Lord moved it back to where he wanted it and now the Romans came and changed it again

Sister

there is no such thing as Judaism in the pages of the bible.

it is either God words or man traditions

Judaism is man's tradition

this is why I put these verses

Rev 2
 9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


Rev 3
 9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 
under stand what you read here and tie it in to what you are saying

as for the fig tree verse what things are we to see?


 

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« Reply #327 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 08:15:07 »
why have'nt the people who believe in resurrection sunday commented on why they call it resurrection sunday?

we read where he was gone when Mary came to the sepulchre before Sunday.

Jesus was GONE.

lets finish this

where did Jesus rise to?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus did not ascend to the Father on sunday that for sure!!!



I believe He did ascend to His Father...
I believe Mary interrupted Him as He was on His way to heaven to perform the preistly ritual of applying His blood to the sacred furniture in the heavenly temple once and for all! Scriptures teach that Christ blood was necessary even for the things in heaven (Heb. 9:23)

Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with greater and more perfect tabernacles not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.  Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11,12)

When Christ was crucified he did not have any clothes except his burial clothes which the disciples found folded in the tomb. I believe when Mary saw him He had on His High Priest linen garments. His blood provided payment for access into the presence of God. 

see this exactly what I'm talking about you read what was said

what do you read here?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

who should we believe you are God?
who should you believe your own thoughts or Jesus?

there was angels with the Lord when he rose from the dead maybe they gave him some clothes, maybe they attended to him.

yes his blood provided payement for our sins but Paul tells you what sins

Romans 3:24-26 (King James Version)

 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


notice the sins that are past?

do you believe what Paul has said here?

 

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe." (John 14:28-29)
 
Jesus said that He was going to the Father and then coming back to the disciples, and then they would believe the things He said about Himself. When did the disciples believe these things? On the day that Jesus was resurrected (John 20:19-31). On Resurrection Sunday, Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth, just as He had promised He would.

"Some of his disciples said to one another, "What does he mean by saying, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,' and 'Because I am going to the Father'?" They kept asking, "What does he mean by 'a little while'? We don't understand what he is saying." Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, "Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me'? I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy."" (John 16:17-20)
 
On the night before He was crucified, Jesus told the disciples that in a little while they would no longer see Him because He was going to the Father. Then after a little while they would see Him again and their grief would turn to joy. When did the disciples see Jesus again, and when did their grief turn to joy? On the day that Jesus was resurrected (John 20:19-20). When Jesus said that He was going to the Father and then returning to the earth, and their grief would then turn to joy, He was referring to Resurrection Sunday, not the Ascension.


Sister Grace

he did go to the Father but not after he rose from the dead

you cannot ignore what he told Mary

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

now add this to your studies

Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

now lets put the finishing touches to this

Acts 1
 1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

 2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

think about it sister if the Lord would have went to heaven after he came out of the grave and come back it would be called the 3 coming of Jesus

thanks you for the discussion I love it and you for having the courage to talk with me

Bless you in Jesus



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« Reply #328 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 08:18:29 »
bless you also Jamie and Bitter sweet, dave and all who commented

in Jesus mighty name

i'm off to class for the feast of unleaven bread

it will be live on the internet at the page I gave before at 12:00 NOON CENTRAL TIME


http://www.theisraelofgod.com/sabbathdaylive2.html


FEAST OF UNLEAVEN BREAD
(1st Night) Begins:Thursday, April 5, 2012 @ Sundown and Ends:Friday,April 6, 2012 @ sundown
Service -Friday, April 6, 2012 @ 12:00 Noon

 
 
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« Reply #329 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 09:30:49 »
why have'nt the people who believe in resurrection sunday commented on why they call it resurrection sunday?

we read where he was gone when Mary came to the sepulchre before Sunday.

Jesus was GONE.

lets finish this

where did Jesus rise to?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus did not ascend to the Father on sunday that for sure!!!



I believe He did ascend to His Father...
I believe Mary interrupted Him as He was on His way to heaven to perform the preistly ritual of applying His blood to the sacred furniture in the heavenly temple once and for all! Scriptures teach that Christ blood was necessary even for the things in heaven (Heb. 9:23)

Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with greater and more perfect tabernacles not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.  Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:11,12)

When Christ was crucified he did not have any clothes except his burial clothes which the disciples found folded in the tomb. I believe when Mary saw him He had on His High Priest linen garments. His blood provided payment for access into the presence of God. 

see this exactly what I'm talking about you read what was said

what do you read here?

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

who should we believe you are God?
who should you believe your own thoughts or Jesus?

there was angels with the Lord when he rose from the dead maybe they gave him some clothes, maybe they attended to him.

yes his blood provided payement for our sins but Paul tells you what sins

Romans 3:24-26 (King James Version)

 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


notice the sins that are past?

do you believe what Paul has said here?

 

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe." (John 14:28-29)
 
Jesus said that He was going to the Father and then coming back to the disciples, and then they would believe the things He said about Himself. When did the disciples believe these things? On the day that Jesus was resurrected (John 20:19-31). On Resurrection Sunday, Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth, just as He had promised He would.

"Some of his disciples said to one another, "What does he mean by saying, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me,' and 'Because I am going to the Father'?" They kept asking, "What does he mean by 'a little while'? We don't understand what he is saying." Jesus saw that they wanted to ask him about this, so he said to them, "Are you asking one another what I meant when I said, 'In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me'? I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy."" (John 16:17-20)
 
On the night before He was crucified, Jesus told the disciples that in a little while they would no longer see Him because He was going to the Father. Then after a little while they would see Him again and their grief would turn to joy. When did the disciples see Jesus again, and when did their grief turn to joy? On the day that Jesus was resurrected (John 20:19-20). When Jesus said that He was going to the Father and then returning to the earth, and their grief would then turn to joy, He was referring to Resurrection Sunday, not the Ascension.


Sister Grace

he did go to the Father but not after he rose from the dead

you cannot ignore what he told Mary

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

now add this to your studies

Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

now lets put the finishing touches to this

Acts 1
 1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

 2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

think about it sister if the Lord would have went to heaven after he came out of the grave and come back it would be called the 3 coming of Jesus

thanks you for the discussion I love it and you for having the courage to talk with me

Bless you in Jesus




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All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?


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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #330 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 09:35:43 »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #331 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 09:44:30 »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


So what changed between Mary and Thomas? ::headscratch::

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #332 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 10:17:25 »
I believe in that time frame in light of not being able to touch Mary, he went to the father in the heavenly holy of holies and sprinkled his own blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Just as the High Priests had done in the tabernacle and Temple as a pattern for hundreds of years. Jesus IS our high priest his atonement is once and for all. After that and coming back, it was OK for people to touch him as Thomas did. Not in scripture, but scripturally backed up in the pattern of the tabernacle God set forth to point to Christ and his redemptive plan. The high priests in the tabernacle were not supposed to touch anyone before their Day of Atonement duties of sprinkling the animal blood on the mercy seat.

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« Reply #333 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 11:50:10 »
I believe in that time frame in light of not being able to touch Mary, he went to the father in the heavenly holy of holies and sprinkled his own blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Just as the High Priests had done in the tabernacle and Temple as a pattern for hundreds of years. Jesus IS our high priest his atonement is once and for all. After that and coming back, it was OK for people to touch him as Thomas did. Not in scripture, but scripturally backed up in the pattern of the tabernacle God set forth to point to Christ and his redemptive plan. The high priests in the tabernacle were not supposed to touch anyone before their Day of Atonement duties of sprinkling the animal blood on the mercy seat.

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« Reply #334 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 21:41:55 »
We had a wonderful Passover Seder tonight. We had 79 people there. A Seder is usually an intimate family gathering, but our Hebrew roots class at church is in a teaching mode with our appointed times celebrations. Several visitors came up to me with tears in their eyes saying that they never realized that Jesus was in so much of the imagery or God's visual aids or his appointed times as to his plan of redemption. God kept his appointment tonight.
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« Reply #335 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:21:43 »
We had a wonderful Passover Seder tonight. We had 79 people there. A Seder is usually an intimate family gathering, but our Hebrew roots class at church is in a teaching mode with our appointed times celebrations. Several visitors came up to me with tears in their eyes saying that they never realized that Jesus was in so much of the imagery or God's visual aids or his appointed times as to his plan of redemption. God kept his appointment tonight.

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« Reply #336 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:25:34 »
Matthew 28:18-20 (King James Version)

 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


behold the words of the Lord

Luke 22:18-20 (King James Version)

 18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.


notice the Lord said all nations

all nation include where ever you are now on this earth.
 19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.



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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #337 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:26:21 »
I believe in that time frame in light of not being able to touch Mary, he went to the father in the heavenly holy of holies and sprinkled his own blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Just as the High Priests had done in the tabernacle and Temple as a pattern for hundreds of years. Jesus IS our high priest his atonement is once and for all. After that and coming back, it was OK for people to touch him as Thomas did. Not in scripture, but scripturally backed up in the pattern of the tabernacle God set forth to point to Christ and his redemptive plan. The high priests in the tabernacle were not supposed to touch anyone before their Day of Atonement duties of sprinkling the animal blood on the mercy seat.

where do you read this in the bible?
 

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« Reply #338 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:33:16 »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you beleive needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

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« Reply #339 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:38:52 »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

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« Reply #340 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:54:25 »
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Did I miss something?  THE COURAGE TO TALK TO YOU!

yea you did,

all I'm doing is thanking you for posting on the topic ::smile::

 


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All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.


with this logic you are saying his second coming was on that day and happened already


That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

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The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.

when did he go?

it could not have been that day, it says until the day in which he was taken up.

Acts 1
 1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

 [u]2Until the day [/u] in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Now pay close attention to the next set of verses


 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

from Jerusalem to the mount of olives where Jesus left from is a sabbath day journey, it may not take the Lord to get there but the people there had a good walk to watch him ascend yp to heaven

this is the time he went to the Father forty day later like the passage says
 

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"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

what holy spirit are you talking about?

is it this

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

is it this?

Job 27:3
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

it cannot be this Holy Spirit he cannot come until the Lord leave

John 16
 1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

 2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

 3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

 4But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

 5But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

 6But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


 

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #341 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:55:52 »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and thomas?


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« Reply #342 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:57:43 »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


So what changed between Mary and Thomas? ::headscratch::

something had to happen

Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.



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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #343 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:58:37 »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and thomas?

LOL!  ::juggle:: Didn't you JUST tell me "there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed"?? ::headscratch::

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #344 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 10:04:32 »
lets look at it this way

if the Lord had ascended to heaven after 3 days and 3 nights on the first day of the week then it would be a 3rd coming we wait for.

The Father told Jesus to sit at his right hand until the Father make Jesus enemies his foot stool

  Acts 2:33-35 (King James Version)

 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

 35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

if Jesus had went to the Father immediately after his death when did his enemies become the footstool at that time
or do we still wait even in our day?

   


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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #345 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 10:06:41 »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture.  

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and Thomas?

LOL!  ::juggle:: Didn't you JUST tell me "there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed"?? ::headscratch::

yet you did not explain why Mary could not touch and Thomas could.

did you answer the sister question?

no!

what happened from the time Jesus told Mary not to touch him and go tell his brethren and the time Jesus appeared in the room with Thomas

what happened in the time between? why was Thomas able to touch at this time
  John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

when did he ascend?

after he talked to Mary

or much later like it says 40 days later

when?

 

 


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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #346 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 10:09:35 »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and thomas?

LOL!  ::juggle:: Didn't you JUST tell me "there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed"?? ::headscratch::

yet you did not explain why Mary could not toucH and Thomas could.

did you answer the sister question?

no!

How can I?  No matter WHAT I post, you tell me my opinion is not needed, and tell me to stick to scripture...so I decided to  post scripture, and then you chide me for not giving my opinion!  ::juggle:: Its crazy!

The answer is pretty plain IMO anyway..no need for EITHER of us to give our opinions.  ::smile::

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #347 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 10:14:45 »
John 20

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

 19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

 20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.

 21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

 24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

 25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

 27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


it says 8 days later Jesus appeared to Thomas where thomas was able to touch the Lord

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #348 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 10:19:08 »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and thomas?

LOL!  ::juggle:: Didn't you JUST tell me "there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed"?? ::headscratch::

yet you did not explain why Mary could not toucH and Thomas could.

did you answer the sister question?

no!

How can I?  No matter WHAT I post, you tell me my opinion is not needed, and tell me to stick to scripture...so I decided to  post scripture, and then you chide me for not giving my opinion!  ::juggle:: Its crazy!

The answer is pretty plain IMO anyway..no need for EITHER of us to give our opinions.  ::smile::

Sister

provide scriptures and we can go on from there, I'm not chiding with you nothing of the such, I giving scripture to add to your study and hopefully you do the same.

its not personal or any of the such

when I give scriptures or verse come back with scripture or verses and it will edify us all

it is not personal except when WE add our opinion.

continue as you are doing

thanks



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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #349 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 10:24:00 »
is this future or did it happen 2000 years ago?

 Hebrews 9:27-28
 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Jesus did not appear the second time to give salvation when he appeared to Mary, or the Apostles.


Paul said they without us shall not be made perfect

Hebrews 11
 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

so the second coming happened already?

to be made perfect is obtaining salvation from the Lord Jesus correct?