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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #330 on: April 06, 2012, 08:35:43 AM »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

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« Reply #331 on: April 06, 2012, 08:44:30 AM »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


So what changed between Mary and Thomas? ::headscratch::

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #332 on: April 06, 2012, 09:17:25 AM »
I believe in that time frame in light of not being able to touch Mary, he went to the father in the heavenly holy of holies and sprinkled his own blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Just as the High Priests had done in the tabernacle and Temple as a pattern for hundreds of years. Jesus IS our high priest his atonement is once and for all. After that and coming back, it was OK for people to touch him as Thomas did. Not in scripture, but scripturally backed up in the pattern of the tabernacle God set forth to point to Christ and his redemptive plan. The high priests in the tabernacle were not supposed to touch anyone before their Day of Atonement duties of sprinkling the animal blood on the mercy seat.

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« Reply #333 on: April 06, 2012, 10:50:10 AM »
I believe in that time frame in light of not being able to touch Mary, he went to the father in the heavenly holy of holies and sprinkled his own blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Just as the High Priests had done in the tabernacle and Temple as a pattern for hundreds of years. Jesus IS our high priest his atonement is once and for all. After that and coming back, it was OK for people to touch him as Thomas did. Not in scripture, but scripturally backed up in the pattern of the tabernacle God set forth to point to Christ and his redemptive plan. The high priests in the tabernacle were not supposed to touch anyone before their Day of Atonement duties of sprinkling the animal blood on the mercy seat.

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« Reply #334 on: April 06, 2012, 08:41:55 PM »
We had a wonderful Passover Seder tonight. We had 79 people there. A Seder is usually an intimate family gathering, but our Hebrew roots class at church is in a teaching mode with our appointed times celebrations. Several visitors came up to me with tears in their eyes saying that they never realized that Jesus was in so much of the imagery or God's visual aids or his appointed times as to his plan of redemption. God kept his appointment tonight.
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« Reply #335 on: April 08, 2012, 08:21:43 AM »
We had a wonderful Passover Seder tonight. We had 79 people there. A Seder is usually an intimate family gathering, but our Hebrew roots class at church is in a teaching mode with our appointed times celebrations. Several visitors came up to me with tears in their eyes saying that they never realized that Jesus was in so much of the imagery or God's visual aids or his appointed times as to his plan of redemption. God kept his appointment tonight.

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« Reply #336 on: April 08, 2012, 08:25:34 AM »
Matthew 28:18-20 (King James Version)

 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


behold the words of the Lord

Luke 22:18-20 (King James Version)

 18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.


notice the Lord said all nations

all nation include where ever you are now on this earth.
 19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.



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« Reply #337 on: April 08, 2012, 08:26:21 AM »
I believe in that time frame in light of not being able to touch Mary, he went to the father in the heavenly holy of holies and sprinkled his own blood on the heavenly mercy seat. Just as the High Priests had done in the tabernacle and Temple as a pattern for hundreds of years. Jesus IS our high priest his atonement is once and for all. After that and coming back, it was OK for people to touch him as Thomas did. Not in scripture, but scripturally backed up in the pattern of the tabernacle God set forth to point to Christ and his redemptive plan. The high priests in the tabernacle were not supposed to touch anyone before their Day of Atonement duties of sprinkling the animal blood on the mercy seat.

where do you read this in the bible?
 

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« Reply #338 on: April 08, 2012, 08:33:16 AM »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you beleive needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #339 on: April 08, 2012, 08:38:52 AM »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

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« Reply #340 on: April 08, 2012, 08:54:25 AM »
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Did I miss something?  THE COURAGE TO TALK TO YOU!

yea you did,

all I'm doing is thanking you for posting on the topic ::smile::

 


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All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.


with this logic you are saying his second coming was on that day and happened already


That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

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The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.

when did he go?

it could not have been that day, it says until the day in which he was taken up.

Acts 1
 1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

 [u]2Until the day [/u] in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Now pay close attention to the next set of verses


 9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

from Jerusalem to the mount of olives where Jesus left from is a sabbath day journey, it may not take the Lord to get there but the people there had a good walk to watch him ascend yp to heaven

this is the time he went to the Father forty day later like the passage says
 

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"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

what holy spirit are you talking about?

is it this

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

is it this?

Job 27:3
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

it cannot be this Holy Spirit he cannot come until the Lord leave

John 16
 1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

 2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

 3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

 4But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

 5But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

 6But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


 

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #341 on: April 08, 2012, 08:55:52 AM »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and thomas?


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« Reply #342 on: April 08, 2012, 08:57:43 AM »
All of these passages tell us that on the night before Jesus was crucified, He repeatedly said that He was returning to the Father now (not in a month and a half at the Ascension). Jesus went to the Father and then returned to the earth on the day He was resurrected. That's why the disciples were able to receive the permanent, indwelling Holy Spirit at the time of their salvation on the evening of Resurrection Sunday.

That Sunday morning, Mary Magdalene was at the tomb before dawn:
"Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance." (John 20:1)

The risen Jesus appeared to Mary and told her that He had not yet returned to the Father. Then He told her to tell the disciples, "I am returning to my father":
"Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"" (John 20:17)

So on the morning of Resurrection Sunday, Jesus said that He was just about to go to the Father.


"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit." If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."" (John 20:19-23)

How could they receive the Holy Spirit unless He had gone to the Father?

AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


So what changed between Mary and Thomas? ::headscratch::

something had to happen

Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.



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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #343 on: April 08, 2012, 08:58:37 AM »
AND!  After He told Mary not to touch Him and why...when he appeared to the disciples when Thomas was there, look what His words encourage Thomas to do!  ::smile::
John 20:27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."


Mark 16:11-13 (King James Version)

 11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

 12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


Jesus told Mary don't touch him. there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed

Jesus then appeared to others in another Form, again there is no interpretation or opinion or what you think needed

it is what it says

Now lets add understanding

if Jesus had went to the Father and returned we would be  waiting for the 3rd coming of Jesus and not the second
 ::pondering::

I didn't give MY interpretation OR opinion.  I gave scripture. 

Christ said "don't touch" and why and then when He showed Himself to the disciples later, He allowed Thomas to touch Him.  ::smile::

did he ascend to the Father in that time between Mary and thomas?

LOL!  ::juggle:: Didn't you JUST tell me "there is no interpretation or opinions or what you believe needed"?? ::headscratch::

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« Reply #344 on: April 08, 2012, 09:04:32 AM »
lets look at it this way

if the Lord had ascended to heaven after 3 days and 3 nights on the first day of the week then it would be a 3rd coming we wait for.

The Father told Jesus to sit at his right hand until the Father make Jesus enemies his foot stool

  Acts 2:33-35 (King James Version)

 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

 35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

if Jesus had went to the Father immediately after his death when did his enemies become the footstool at that time
or do we still wait even in our day?