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ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« on: March 13, 2012, 08:59:33 AM »

The Passover approaches, a day that is to be kept FOREVER according to the word of God.

are you under the Blood?

will you allow the Lord to passover your sins this day? 


Exodus 12:12-14 (King James Version)

 12For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

 13And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

 14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.[/u]

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ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 09:02:26 AM »
Leviticus 23
 1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

 2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. [/b

3Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

4These are the feasts of the LORD[/b], even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

 5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Notice these are the feast of God and not the Jews which is commonly taught

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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 09:05:25 AM »
WHAT THE PASSOVER REPRESENTS

The Passover commemorates the exodus of the children of Israel from Egypt by the hand of the Lord.

Israel had been in captivity in Egypt for over 400 years.

Because of Pharaoh's refusal to release the children of Israel from bondage, God afflicted Egypt with plagues.

The last plague issued was the killing of all the Egyptians first born.

 A death angel was to pass through the land, and to ensure that their first born would be spared, the Israelites were instructed by God, to mark their door posts with the blood of a lamb.

The death angel would see the marking and thus pass over the house that had blood.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 09:08:16 AM »
CHANGE IN THE PASSOVER

While Jesus and His disciples were commemorating the Passover, Jesus gives His disciples a set of instructions.

Matthew 26:

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Jesus told His disciples to eat of the bread, for that represented His body, and He told them to drink of the cup, for that represented His blood.

Jesus tells them, His blood is of the new testament, and it is shed for the remission of sins. Jesus is speaking of the fact, that He will be crucified for the sins of man and we know that, it is only through the shedding of Jesus’s blood, that men can receive forgiveness for their sins. Hence Jesus became our sacrificial lamb.

We will find in the Gospel of Luke where Jesus told them to partake in this meal in remembrance of Him.


(Luke 22:19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 09:09:38 AM »
Now Jesus said to do this in remembrance of Him, the above shows that He is speaking in reference to observing the Passover.

 Again the Passover has a set time when it is to be observed , the 14th day of the month of Abib.

 This is the time that God appointed, for its observance.

 It should not be celebrated at the discretion of man.
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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 09:25:59 AM »
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Notice these are the feast of God and not the Jews which is commonly taught
Leviticus 23

Hmmm. I see nothing in that text that says in relation to any of those feasts "Speak to the sons of Egypt..." or "...Moab..." or "...Caanan..."

However, the FIRST one listed there - the Sabbath - it says elsewhere that it is a "...Sign between me and the sons of Israel for an everlasting covenant..."

Near the end of the list we have the Day of Atonement, in which the explaination elsewhere (chapter 16) says it is for the sins of the People of Israel.  

So how does that NOT apply to the entire list? They were given to Israel, not the gentiles.

IN fact, if you study it out you will find out that there are many requirements for a gentile who wants to celebrate Passover.

Ex 12.43 And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the statute of the Passover: no foreigner shall eat of it,

48 If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

IOW, only gentiles who "sojourn" in the Jewish community can keep it and they have to undergo a type of conversion (circumcision).
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 09:32:02 AM »
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Notice these are the feast of God and not the Jews which is commonly taught
Leviticus 23

Hmmm. I see nothing in that text that says in relation to any of those feasts "Speak to the sons of Egypt..." or "...Moab..." or "...Caanan..."

However, the FIRST one listed there - the Sabbath - it says elsewhere that it is a "...Sign between me and the sons of Israel for an everlasting covenant..."

Near the end of the list we have the Day of Atonement, in which the explaination elsewhere (chapter 16) says it is for the sins of the People of Israel

So how does that NOT apply to the entire list? They were given to Israel, not the gentiles.

in the same chapter where the Lord said he will passover when he see the blood, is the below words concerning the gentiles
or commonly at that time called the stranger 

Exodus 12:

 48And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you

again in the same chapter the gentiles went out with the israelites under the nme of mixed multitude

 Exodus 12:38
And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.


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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 09:49:13 AM »
Right.  And in those verses you find the text Paul was basing his statement about circumcision:

Gal 5.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

Ex 12.49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you

IOW, you have to be circumcised to eat the Passover.  If you get circ'd you obligate yourself to the WHOLE LAW.

Are you advocating that?
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »

fo the sake of not arguing lets fast forward to after the death and resurrection of Jesus and hear the words of Paul concerning what the Gentiles should adhere to

1

 Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


2

Romans 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

3

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:


salvation, good or evil or whatever the matter is it will be upon the Jew first and also the gentile

3 times PAUL said from his own mouth

to the Jew first and also the Gentiles

  

 
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 09:59:55 AM »
Those verses are priorities for the gospel, for judgement and reward.

They have nothing to do with the feasts.

ETA:

It occurs to me that I am being somewhat lopsided in my statements here.

I am not saying that gentile christians cannot partake of the Passover.  Indeed I encourage them to do so and have led severaly LARGE seders in churches - one with more than 250 in attendance.

What I am saying is that it was NOT given to the gentiles. By the New Covenant gentiles can participate but there is no requirement for it. I DO take it as requred for gentiles who "soujourn" among the Jews (like myself)  but that is a different issue altogether.

Is it ok to do passover whenever?  I do not think so.  But in your replies #3 and 4 you talked also about communion.  It is true they are tied together and the current practice of communion is a pared-down seder. But in 1 Cor Paul seperates them by disallowing the meal which is at the center of the seder:

1 Cor 11.20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat.
21 For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk.
22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.

So Paul reduced it down to just matzah and wine.   In that way, and since it is not a full seder, it can be celebrated "...as often.." which church tradition has put at weekly.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 10:01:39 AM »
Right.  And in those verses you find the text Paul was basing his statement about circumcision:

Gal 5.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

Ex 12.49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you

IOW, you have to be circumcised to eat the Passover.  If you get circ'd you obligate yourself to the WHOLE LAW.

Are you advocating that?


Dave

the circumcision is a commandments also before the Israelite or Jew came on the scene

you will read and answer your own question from the word of God

Genesis 17

 9And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

 10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

 11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.


we have a covenant made with God and Abraham
a covenant is a commandments, a law

12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

 14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.


Abraham was not a Israelite nor Jew but the Lord made a covenant with him and his seed and any stranger

 notice the word everlasting covenant

everlasting did not end with Paul writing in Galatians

everlasting is what it means everlasting unless you know when everlasting ends?

    



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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 10:02:48 AM »
Those verses are priorities for the gospel, for judgement and reward.

They have nothing to do with the feasts.

Dave the OT is the gospel
the OT speaks of Judgement and reward 
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 10:05:15 AM »
thanks for responding Brother

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 11:22:53 AM »
Now Jesus said to do this in remembrance of Him, the above shows that He is speaking in reference to observing the Passover.

 Again the Passover has a set time when it is to be observed , the 14th day of the month of Abib.

 This is the time that God appointed, for its observance.

 It should not be celebrated at the discretion of man.


Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Colossians 2:16

Notice that the previous verse tells us the reason

He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
 Colossians 2:15

This means one thing...simply put....

The passover is fulfilled in Christ!

It was celebrated by those who did not have the fulness of God's Gospel

But we do

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, Hebrews 1:1

The various ways included feasts, new moons, sabbaths, incense, etc etc all of which were signs, types and shadows pointing to Jesus. Basically God use these things to preach the Gospel in the Old Testament


but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.


Everything God said before Jesus was actually about Jesus

Now Jesus is the only way God speaks to us

He does not speak to us through the same ways He spoke to the Patriarchs and the people of the Old Testament

He speaks to us through Jesus!


A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him."

Luke 9:35

Moses was speaking of Jesus

Elijah was speaking of Jesus

The Law spoke of Jesus

The Prophets spoke of Jesus

But now God wants us to HEAR JESUS...LISTEN TO JESUS!

Now

We have the Blood of Jesus that covers us

We have passed from death to Life because of the Blood of Jesus

Our sins are forgiven and we have been accepted in the Beloved and made the Righteousness of God in Christ

The Feasts were types and shadows of the Truth that is only found in Christ

The feasts have been fulfilled in Jesus!

Jesus is our Passover

Jesus is our Jubilee

We are The Holy Temple

He is the Light in the Holy of Holies, the secret place within us where God abides

I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days--all her appointed feasts.
Hosea 2:11


Stop bringing me your meaningless gifts; the incense of your offerings disgusts me! As for your celebrations of the new moon and the Sabbath and your special days for fasting--they are all sinful and false. I want no more of your pious meetings.
Isaiah 1:13
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Re: ON THE passover, when I see the blood, I will passover you.
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2012, 12:03:20 PM »
Amen Gospel,  Jesus is the passover and any other of these feasts and "special days."  Thank you for sharing this bold truth with us.  Jesus fulfilled it all and through Him so have we who know Him.
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