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Our Partisan Landscape

    One of the factors that makes a group of believers partisan or sectarian is announcing to the world that everyone is wrong and unsaved except those within their borders.  It is interesting when we consider that a number of religious parties had developed within the Christian community at Corinth—the Paul party, the Cephas party, the Apollos party, and the Christ party [1 Cor.1:10-12]. Even the “Christ party” was wrong, for it excluded other believers. Paul disapproved of and rebuked each one of them.
 
    By examining our current partisan dilemma, within the Christian community we have the Baptist party, the Methodist party, the Presbyterian party, the Lutheran party, the Church of God party, the Church of Christ party—and on and on we could go. If the great apostle Paul were here today, would he not disapprove of and rebuke those who have separated themselves into multi-colored factions? Of course. We have drifted so far from the original blueprint, we may never find our way back.
 
    In the formative years of the grace community, the ekklesia of Christ, called “the Israel of God” in Galatians 6:15-16, was composed of one body of believers. Although separated into congregations throughout the various regions, collectively they all formed one body of believers. Paul made it clear when he wrote:

   “There is one body [of believers] and one Spirit...one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Greek immersion], one God and Father of all...” [Eph. 4:4-6]. If more than one body of believers in the form of sundry parties, such as at Corinth, is acceptable, so also more than one Lord or one faith or one God would be admissible. Again, we have drifted so far from the original blueprint, we may never find our way back.
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    OUR PRESIDENT’S RHETORIC— I voted for him, and I intend to vote for him again—in spite of his defects, flaws, and blotches. He has, in fact, done more for our country’s overall makeup than the last few presidents. But he needs to correct his “off the cuff” speeches by ousting his rhetoric, which I call “empty phrases.” If he were to remove the empty phrases, his one-hour speeches would be slashed to 20 minutes or less.—Buff.
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And the Buff party.

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"And the Buff party" alongside the Texas Conservative party.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Apr 05, 2020 - 13:35:54 »
Buff, for the sake of discussion, could you give us examples of his empty rhetoric that you would like Trump to cease to make sure we are talking the same thing. the Nancy-ites consider pretty much everything he says as empty rhetoric and a lot of us might feel the same about her side’s rhetoric. Is Adam Schiff et al capable of anything else?
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« Reply #4 on: Sun Apr 05, 2020 - 14:10:24 »
Jaime:

    By rhetoric, I mean additional words and phrases that are not needed and do not actually relate to the core of his messages. That's why I call them "empty phrases." Another term is "overdelicacy."

    I like one of Webster's explanations, which reads, "Artificial eloquence; language that is showy and elaborate but largely empty of clear ideas."

    Note the difference between Trump's "off the cuff" speeches and Pence's. Pence grabs the core of his remarks without wandering off into statements that do not directly relate to the substance of his point.

   Rest assured I'm a Trump backer, irregardless of his weaknesses and flaws.

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« Reply #5 on: Sun Apr 05, 2020 - 16:49:05 »
Can you cite some specific examples for me? Pretty much all politicians use way more words than necessary. I’m kinda one of those guys that believes it can ALWAYS be said more to the point. I would ALWAYS prefer anyone’s off the cuff speeches than a polished teleprompter speech. To me Trump’s strength has been his ability to just talk to the American people. If I wanted a polished version, I would wait for the talking heads to tell me what he said. No thank you!
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« Reply #6 on: Sun Apr 05, 2020 - 22:09:01 »
Jaime:

    I watched this afternoon's WH Briefing. I listened to Trump. I listened to Pence. And I listened to the others. It took Trump a good 30-40 minutes to complete his remarks. Pence took 12-15 minutes to complete his. Pence covered more ground than Trump in his 12-15 minutes than Trump covered in his 30-40 minutes.

    Pence went directly to his core points without rhetoric or redundancy. Trump did not. In my estimation, he covered some unnecessary ground along the way.

    Not all of us evaluate a man's ability to communicate his thoughts and ideas the same way. I may see a weakness in a man's speech you don't see. On the other hand, you may see a personality flaw in a man's remarks I don't see.

    It's no big deal. Nor should it be. We appraise things differently. I have spent decades evaluating the gift of public speaking. Perhaps I can therefore see objectionable components in the way a man presents himself you do not see. I see a few objectionable components in Trump's speeches. If you do not see the same components, we will still survive.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Apr 06, 2020 - 20:06:13 »
What do you attribute Trump’s mega successful rallies to prior to the coronavirus. It certainly isn’t his hairdo! He speaks like regular people speak. It’s OK to have a regular person as President. I never have thought that a President must be a high houty touty. George W Bush was a regular guy, someone you would enjoy having a beer with. Obama wasn’t and was a miserable example of a President in my opinion, though clean and articulate per Joe Biden. Reagan was basically a regular guy with a great sense of humor and why he was beloved by so many and such an effective President. It takes finding and developing good people under you as President. That’s why a good businessman is so effective. I like Trump mainly because he is a fighter and will not take the guff from liberals and the media that conservative politicians have grown to be extremely passive with those types over the years. If he has some redundant phrases here and there, I can easily look past it if he will continue to cause the Left and their cohorts in the media unmitigated hell.
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« Reply #8 on: Mon Apr 06, 2020 - 22:00:08 »

Jaime:

    "I like Trump mainly because he is a fighter and will not take the guff from liberals and the media that conservative politicians have grown to be extremely passive with those types over the years."

    I couldn't have said it any better. Also, economically and spiritually [via Pence], he has perhaps changed the course of history for America. As before, he will get my vote in November.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Apr 07, 2020 - 06:03:15 »
Pence is a spiritual guy, but in my opinion Trump has become since the election a very spiritual guy. He is NOT the same guy he was five years ago. He used to be very pro-choice. Now he is the most actively pro-life President we have had. Him being a fighter in no way detracts from his spirituality. Also Pence is not a turn the other cheek type guy. He has his own way of fighting back. I see Trump more as a Peter type character. He is the guy that would impulsively cut off the ear of the soldier with his sword. He is the best President in my lifetime including Reagan in my opinion. Reagan was considered just as much a buffoon as Trump by the Left, but the Left was not as relentless and the media was just then beginning to morph from true journalist to what we have today. No Oresident has ever overcome more and accomplished more than Trump. So yes I WOULD assume he has your vote in November.
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« Reply #10 on: Tue Apr 07, 2020 - 12:38:36 »
Jaime:

A M E N !

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Apr 10, 2020 - 18:20:14 »
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“There is one body [of believers] and one Spirit...one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Greek immersion], one God and Father of all...”

There's clearly at least 2 baptisms...

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Apr 10, 2020 - 20:54:26 »

Wycliffes_Shillelagh:

    "There's clearly at least 2 baptisms..." Jesus promised the Twelve they would be immersed with/in the Holy Spirit [Acts 1:5].
   
    Ephesians 4:4 seems to refer to immersion in water. Consequently, there are two methods of immersion, but one water immersion.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Apr 10, 2020 - 23:01:21 »
"there are two methods of immersion" .....Three.

"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I,
and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
  -Matt. 3:11  ::intherain::

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BTR:

    There's a diversity of understandings on immersion [Greek baptizo] with fire. My personal view is that John alluded to tribulations, afflictions, and persecutions that would come upon many believers, especially the Twelve. They were immersed with/in the fire of tribulations.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Apr 11, 2020 - 14:30:31 »
There's clearly at least 2 baptisms...

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Please explain

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BTR:

    There's a diversity of understandings on immersion [Greek baptizo] with fire. My personal view is that John alluded to tribulations, afflictions, and persecutions that would come upon many believers, especially the Twelve. They were immersed with/in the fire of tribulations.

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I guess its all in how you look at it Buff, or who and what a person pays attention to. I have been taught by the Lord that fire speaks of purification.


According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it.

But each man must be careful how he builds on it. For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.

If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.
If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
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« Reply #17 on: Sat Apr 11, 2020 - 20:34:49 »

BTR:

    "Fire" is not always used in the same vein, manner, or style. It differs from subject to subject.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat Apr 11, 2020 - 21:40:01 »
Right, but in that subject John is speaking in the same manner that I pointed to.


'I indeed do baptize you with water to reformation, but he who after me is coming is mightier than I, of whom I am not worthy to bear the sandals, he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire,
whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his floor, and will gather his wheat to the storehouse, but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.'
-Matt. 3:11,12

But you said;
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"My personal view is that John alluded to tribulations, afflictions, and persecutions that would come upon many believers, especially the Twelve. They were immersed with/in the fire of tribulations."

Not the same.





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« Reply #19 on: Sun Apr 12, 2020 - 03:37:30 »
I have been taught by the Lord that fire speaks of purification.
I'm not disagreeing that fire is used in that sense but VERY limited. God does indeed leads his children along~we sing about this fire more than reading about in the scriptures.   

1. In shady, green pastures, so rich and so sweet,
God leads His dear children along;
Where the water’s cool flow bathes the weary one’s feet,
God leads His dear children along.

Refrain:
Some through the waters, some through the flood,
Some through the fire, but all through the blood;
Some through great sorrow, but God gives a song,
In the night season and all the day long.

2. Sometimes on the mount where the sun shines so bright,
God leads His dear children along;
Sometimes in the valley, in darkest of night,
God leads His dear children along.

3. Though sorrows befall us and evils oppose,
God leads His dear children along;
Through grace we can conquer, defeat all our foes,
God leads His dear children along.

4. Away from the mire, and away from the clay,
God leads His dear children along;
Away up in glory, eternity’s day,
God leads His dear children along.

But seldom used in the scriptures in a sense of purification. The scriptures that you quoted:
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"there are two methods of immersion" .....Three.

"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I,
and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.  -Matt. 3:11  ::intherain::
Is speaking of judgment on the wicked and does not have any reference to the righteous.
Quote from: JOHN THE BAPTIST
Matthew 3:7-12~"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
THIS BAPTISM WITH FIRE will take place in the LAKE OF FIRE at that day by the power of the Holy Ghost when God shall destroy the wicked din the LAKE of fire~which is a JUDGMENT, not a purification.

Your lord is not teaching you properly.
Quote from: Reformer on: Fri Apr 10, 2020 - 20:54:26

Wycliffes_Shillelagh:

    "There's clearly at least 2 baptisms..." Jesus promised the Twelve they would be immersed with/in the Holy Spirit [Acts 1:5].
   
    Ephesians 4:4 seems to refer to immersion in water. Consequently, there are two methods of immersion, but one water immersion.

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Agreed~main ones, but others as well.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Luke 12:50~"But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!"

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« Reply #20 on: Sun Apr 12, 2020 - 07:12:13 »
And in the end RB does that fire not purify the world?

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Is speaking of judgment on the wicked and does not have any reference to the righteous.

"Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner"

purge
"1a: to clear of guilt
b: to free from moral or ceremonial defilement
2a: to cause evacuation from
purge the bowels
b(1): to make free of something unwanted"

Purification is the point.

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does not have any reference to the righteous.

"gather his wheat"

You think the wheat is referencing the wicked?

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Your lord is not teaching you properly.

My Lord teaches me perfectly. But your songs and imagination betray you.

Your replies to my posts I have been ignoring as you insult me with your judgment, but maybe your judgment needs a little fire.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue Apr 14, 2020 - 18:44:29 »
Please explain
Sure.  I made that comment, because I knew that it would ignite a firestorm of off-topic conversation.

No other baptism reason but that one. 

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Apr 16, 2020 - 09:27:12 »
To what Buff has said, I admire Pence's calm, Joe Friday-style of speaking on matters. 

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Apr 16, 2020 - 12:00:59 »
I admire it too, but it is no way to deal with the unhinged Left and their subcontractors in the media.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Apr 17, 2020 - 08:55:06 »
I'm about convinced there is not a way to deal with the unhinged left or their media propagandists.

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Apr 17, 2020 - 09:01:43 »
I'm about convinced there is not a way to deal with the unhinged left or their media propagandists.
There is no way to "deal with them";  they must be rejected.  The fundamental objective of the Left is to rid the US of anything having to do with the Constitution of the United States and everything that it stands for.

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« Reply #26 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 01:11:52 »
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through Me." Unless you are a member of His church you will not be saved, and His church is the only church that will be saved. Thus one can say, "Unless you're a member of the church I'm a member of you will not be saved." If I didn't believe the church I'm a member of is the only true church I wouldn't be a member of it. The only church that will be saved is the church of (belonging to) Christ. All others are imposters and will be lost eternally.
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« Reply #27 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 04:43:20 »
The only church that will be saved is the church of (belonging to) Christ. All others are imposters and will be lost eternally.
I cannot deny that, but must ask you this question: What if I say this:
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The only church that will be saved is the church of (belonging to) God. All others are imposters and will be lost eternally.
After all, the term Church of God is used more than the church of Christ~I believe the ratio is 15 to 1 in some form or another. 
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1st Corinthians 1:2~"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
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Acts 20:28~"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
One's name that is over their door means nothing, it is the DOCTRINE of JESUS CHRIST and a love for God (MOSTLY A LOVE FOR GOD AND FEARING HIM) that will identify one belonging to the true church of God that he purchased with his own blood. Do you agree?

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« Reply #28 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 05:50:26 »
Red, it is clear to me that JohnT Wayne was NOT speaking of the sign on the front cofc. But any congregation that belongs to Christ regardless of name. If someone worships in a Baptist that belongs to Christ, I would say they could rightly say they are among the churches that belong to Christ. The word “of” and  “belongs to” are interchangeable. Everyone is aware of the Widely held disdain for the sign on the front Church of Christ. Is it possible for a sign on the front Church of Christ to NOT belong to Christ? YES of course. And of course churches are not saved but individuals are.
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« Reply #29 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 07:58:04 »
Red, it is clear to me that JohnT Wayne was NOT speaking of the sign on the front cofc. But any congregation that belongs to Christ regardless of name. If someone worships in a Baptist that belongs to Christ, I would say they could rightly say they are among the churches that belong to Christ. The word “of” and  “belongs to” are interchangeable. Everyone is aware of the Widely held disdain for the sign on the front Church of Christ. Is it possible for a sign on the front Church of Christ to NOT belong to Christ? YES of course. And of course churches are not saved but individuals are.
I was not so much as questioning that as to make a statement. Nevertheless, I have met some CoC folk and talked with them over this very issue more than I care to tell. I have some very close friends here in around Greenville S.C. that will fight you over the name CoC~and I have used this same argument with them to which they could not answer me, yet the very next breath they would go right back to the NAME church OF CHRIST even though they knew that the Church OF GOD is used so many more times than the Church of Christ~yet they rejected the Church of God as false~to which I would agree with them as to their overall doctrine, yet no doubt God has some of his children in the coG, so that I would never question the sincerity of a person's heart just because they were part of a group that I would not be part of,     
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« Reply #30 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 14:58:04 »
I agree RB, but I wasn't talking about the sign over the door. The church is made up of saints, not congregations, and only those belonging to Christ will be saved. He is the way, the truth and the life. I was replying to Buff.
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« Reply #31 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 17:50:46 »

JOHNTWAYNE WROTE

    ”Jesus said, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through Me.’ Unless you are a member of His church you will not be saved, and His church is the only church that will be saved. Thus one can say, ‘Unless you're a member of the church I'm a member of you will not be saved.’

    “If I didn't believe the church I'm a member of is the only true church I wouldn't be a member of it. The only church that will be saved is the church of (belonging to) Christ. All others are imposters and will be lost eternally.”


    BUFF’S RESPONSE— Churches or sects are not essential to divine deliverance. Let us assume a Christian proclaimer journeys into the jungles of Brazil and shares Jesus with the inhabitants. He preaches neither church nor denomination, but tells them simply the story of Jesus and nothing more, as evangelist Philip told the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:26-39 two-thousand years ago.

    We will suppose 500 of the inhabitants accept the Good News about Jesus the Messiah, welcome it, redirect their lives and, as per Jesus’ command, are immersed in water—as was the Ethiopian eunuch. They are born anew, saved, redeemed, delivered, and now begin their new life.

    Tell me, of which church or denomination are they members? Are they Baptists? Are they Methodists? Are they Lutherans? Are they Evangelicals or Roman Catholics? Are they aligned with the a cappella Church of Christ? Are they of the Church of God sect? How could they be members of any of these religious parties when they are totally unaware of their existence?

    If the Lord added them to whatever they needed to be members or citizens of the moment they experienced the new birth, and He did, why join any church? They are already citizens of God’s heavenly colony. They may now meet corporately and praise God collectively, thus enjoying all spiritual benefits derived from their acceptance of Jesus. What more do they need? If God added them to His family, and He did, why should they join any of the numerous churches, none of which are remotely referred to in the scriptures? The Lord does the adding, not man [Acts 2:47].

    If these new believers can reach God’s gloryland without joining any church or “placing their membership” with some denomination or hanging some kind of partisan sign over the entrance to their meeting places [their homes or in the open jungle], they can be saved without adopting “mad church disease.” This is why I tell those who inquire about my “religion” or church affiliation, “I don’t have a modern-day religion, and I don’t have a church. I have a relationship with a Man called Jesus.” If our relationship with Him is strong and ongoing, everything will fall into place. But if we do not have that kind of relationship, everything will fall apart.

    So, then, what did Jesus usher in? He founded a new people, a new Israel [not National Israel, but spiritual, Israel, Gal. 6:16], a new household, a new kingdom or reign, a new congregation or community, a new assembly. The new people He founded are dispersed among most all of our modern-day sects.

    But you may inquire, “Where is the bride of Jesus today?” Jesus’ bride is not a sect or faction or denomination. Jesus’ bride is composed of those who have accepted Him as Lord and King and are striving, as best they can, to respond to His grace, wherever they are found. This is the bride of Christ! “Then where is she? What is her location?” She is spread throughout most sects and churches and denominations. She’s in exile, just as old Israel was.

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Re: Our Partisan Landscape
« Reply #32 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 18:14:14 »
Church isn't in exile.  There were wheat and tares in the beginning.  Buff is acting like what is happening is new, it isn't.  If these issues didn't exist since the beginning, we would not have most of the New Testament.  The epistles were written to church groups about their problems.

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« Reply #33 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 18:37:42 »
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    Read and evaluate it again, my brother, give it another shot. Your church is not "100% right!"

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« Reply #34 on: Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 19:05:54 »
TEXAS CONSERVATIVE:

    Read and evaluate it again, my brother, give it another shot. Your church is not "100% right!"

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It sure is 100% right, and yours is 100% wrong!

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