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IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« on: Thu Jun 30, 2022 - 18:16:25 »
 And , there were  times  when  I  have  heard that  phrase ,  FREE  WILL !

 I  believe that there  were  only two   groups that  had  FREE WILL !

  Angels  and  ADAM  and  Eve  in the  Garden .

From the  Garden , it has all been  TERMINAL  FAST !

 In  ISA  14 :13  it  says  that  Lucifer  had a  heart and had  tons  of  Pride .

 And in  verse  14 ,  says  ,  I will  be  like the  most  high !!

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #1 on: Thu Jun 30, 2022 - 18:53:30 »
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #2 on: Thu Jun 30, 2022 - 19:18:53 »
  And you  believe that  1  Cor 2:14 only  you over  the foolishness  , and  you  spiritually  discovered Christ ?

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #3 on: Thu Jun 30, 2022 - 22:40:07 »
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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #4 on: Fri Jul 01, 2022 - 03:45:42 »
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IS THERE  SUCH  A  THING  AS  FREE  WILL?
Man since the fall of Adam and Eve is no longer free to do righteousness; no longer free of being bound by sin and the devil himself. Man in his fallen state is a servant of sin and Satan. Man in his fallen state is a child of wrath because he is a servant to sin~he MUST BE set free by the power and grace of God.
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John 8:32-36~"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
The Pharisees preached that man had a free will~they thought they were never in bondage! Blind Pharisees!  They had even forgotten they were in natural bondage in Egypt! One more:
Quote from: THE HOLY GHOST
Luke 4:16-20~"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him."
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The only ones that are truly free are born again children of God, who have been born of God. See  John 1:13
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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jul 01, 2022 - 09:03:56 »
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The only ones that are truly free are born again children of God, who have been born of God. See  John 1:13

You equate free will as the same as being free?

Then this understanding of mine of John 1:13 is wrong?  The Jews prided themselves on being Abraham's children, and trusted in their blood for salvation. To be a son of God is not a fleshly birth at all, but the spirit of the subject is "born of God".

Right or wrong I see no correlation of "free will" here

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #6 on: Fri Jul 01, 2022 - 10:39:58 »
You equate free will as the same as being free?
Well, yes~what else could it possibly means?
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Then this understanding of mine of John 1:13 is wrong?
It is wrong. John 1:13 is very clear, to an unbias mind.
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"Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
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The Jews prided themselves on being Abraham's children, and trusted in their blood for salvation. To be a son of God is not a fleshly birth at all
Agreed
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but the spirit of the subject is "born of God".
I have no clue what you mean by that statement in the context of what we are discussing.

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jul 01, 2022 - 11:34:28 »
What does life look like without free will?

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Jul 01, 2022 - 14:32:21 »
What does life look like without free will?
Alan, there's free will in one sense of free will. For the sinner, his will is toward sin, darkness, and hatred of God and can only works in this realm.

For the child of God, his will is FREE to serve God, no longer under bondage to darkness and the love of sin, doing the devil's bidding.
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What does life look like without free will?
It does not look very hopeful~actually it looks very scary and its end is self-destruction. 

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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #9 on: Fri Jul 01, 2022 - 23:23:53 »
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Free will is isn't free at all when it's subordinate to circumstance beyond its control.

Webster's defines "free" as

1» Not costing or charging anything, i.e. no price to pay.

2» Not subject to the control or domination of another

3» Not bound, confined, or detained by force

4» Not subject to government regulation

5» Not subject to restrictions

6» Having no obligations and/or commitments

7» Neither obstructed nor impeded

I watched a Chinese woman's propaganda on YouTube say folks in her country have free speech just so long as they accept consequences. In her country that means disappearance, years in prison, torture, privation, and very possibly execution. You see, if there really was free speech in China, then people could criticize the communist regime as much as they wanted without fear of reprisals.

In reality, God alone has free will; the rest of only have options.
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Re: IS THERE SUCH A THING AS FREE WILL ?
« Reply #10 on: Sat Jul 02, 2022 - 03:52:04 »
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Free will is isn't free at all when it's subordinate to circumstance beyond its control.

Webster's defines "free" as

1» Not costing or charging anything, i.e. no price to pay.

2» Not subject to the control or domination of another

3» Not bound, confined, or detained by force

4» Not subject to government regulation

5» Not subject to restrictions

6» Having no obligations and/or commitments

7» Neither obstructed nor impeded

I watched a Chinese woman's propaganda on YouTube say folks in her country have free speech just so long as they accept consequences. In her country that means disappearance, years in prison, torture, privation, and very possibly execution. You see, if there really was free speech in China, then people could criticize the communist regime as much as they wanted without fear of reprisals.

In reality, God alone has free will; the rest of only have options.
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Every person born of Adam are born into slavery to Satan and sin.
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Romans 6:16~"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

 

     
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