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Paul said "follow me as I follow Christ"
« on: June 06, 2009, 04:22:03 AM »
With those words, Paul sets himself up as a role model, a testimony of the life of the Son of God in his soul. We know Paul was not Christ and yet he said, "follow me". What made him so sure of his claim of intimacy with the Father and that we must make the same claim?




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Re: Paul said "follow me as I folow Christ"
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2009, 04:53:13 AM »
Jesus chose Paul.  Look at Acts 9:3-6.  Jesus appointed Paul to do His mission on earth.  Also look at Acts 9:15-16.  Paul is the person Jesus chose.  If he's good enough for our Lord Jesus, he's certainly good enough for us.

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2009, 05:26:36 AM »
I don't know... ::eatingpopcorn:

But I'm going to Acts 9....
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2009, 05:56:51 AM »
With those words, Paul set himself up as a role model, a testimony of the life of the Son of God in his soul. We know Paul was not Christ and yet he said, "follow me". What made him so sure of his claim of intimacy with the Father and that we must make the same claim?


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Paul got this so he was confindent in saying "follow me as I follow Christ" which anytime we follow any man it better be as they follow Christ which is to love and serve.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2009, 07:23:20 AM »
I think the key point of this phrase is "as I follow Christ". But we must each know Christ in order to discern who is following Christ, and this is confirmed and taught by HolySpirit. Christ was a servant to everyone so anyone following Him would also be a servant to everyone and not the other way around.

With this in mind just look at much of what goes on within the christian religious institution with so many serving their "spiritual leaders". Very contrary to God's kingdom.

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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2009, 09:36:38 AM »

Dear Cross Reference, when God gave Paul his commission, all of it was revealed by Jesus in Galatians 1:12. We also read in Colossians 1:26 that the message was something that had been hid from previous generations. Why was Paul somewhat of a test pilot of these things? To show they worked in the life of a man, and we're told in Romans 2:16 we will be judged by that gospel given Paul. Should we follow Paul as he followed Christ? You bet. We couldn't follow Jesus as He went to die for the world, but we can follow Paul as an example of what a Christian life is to be.

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 11:30:36 AM »
Well said, Larry.  We all should follow Paul as he followed Jesus.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2009, 06:59:53 AM »
I think the key point of this phrase is "as I follow Christ". But we must each know Christ in order to discern who is following Christ, and this is confirmed and taught by HolySpirit. Christ was a servant to everyone so anyone following Him would also be a servant to everyone and not the other way around.

With this in mind just look at much of what goes on within the christian religious institution with so many serving their "spiritual leaders". Very contrary to God's kingdom.

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 07:12:35 AM »

Dear Cross Reference, when God gave Paul his commission, all of it was revealed by Jesus in Galatians 1:12. We also read in Colossians 1:26 that the message was something that had been hid from previous generations. Why was Paul somewhat of a test pilot of these things? To show they worked in the life of a man, and we're told in Romans 2:16 we will be judged by that gospel given Paul. Should we follow Paul as he followed Christ? You bet. We couldn't follow Jesus as He went to die for the world, but we can follow Paul as an example of what a Christian life is to be.

In Jesus' name - larry2

 

Amen Larry however, Paul followed Jesus as we must also follow Jesus. The thing is missing to our understanding is that Jesus taught the "way" of the cross, i.e., the cross principle that was purposed for Adam. As Chambers has it: "giving up my claim to myself? He did that. Paul did that. We must do that, even unto death on cross or get our head lobbed off.

Having said that, The "Work" of the cross, that only Jesus could perform and not Paul, enabled Paul in his following Jesus, even unto his death. We, who are truly born again from above, coupled with Pentecost, the unction to function have been enabled as well.

I believe with all my heart that if the Lord tarries, our allegiance to Christ Jesus will be put a test.
 

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2009, 07:27:56 AM »
With those words, Paul sets himself up as a role model, a testimony of the life of the Son of God in his soul. We know Paul was not Christ and yet he said, "follow me". What made him so sure of his claim of intimacy with the Father and that we must make the same claim?


Paul was a chosen vessel as seen in these scriptures:

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Acts 9:11 And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for [one] called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Psalms 118:24  "This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it."

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2009, 07:34:21 AM »
The same Paul said he could not do the good he wanted to do and was unable to refrain from sin even though he wanted to.  ( God is able to used a damaged vessel)
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2009, 07:53:20 AM »
The same Paul said he could not do the good he wanted to do and was unable to refrain from sin even though he wanted to.  ( God is able to used a damaged vessel)

"For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."
Romans 7:19 (KJV)

Is "evil", "sin"? Or is evil the law of the flesh? Is not flesh, the "evil" of it, to be brought under subjection? Certainly it  is not "sin" that can be, correct? However, when "evil" is disallowed, is not sin prevented?

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 "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Corinthians 9:27 (KJV)

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We couldn't follow Jesus as He went to die for the world, but we can follow Paul as an example of what a Christian life is to be.

I will have to disagree with the above statement.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The whole purpose of the Christian is to follow their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  This includes first and foremost, into His death.  Where it ended for Him, it must begin for us.  What is baptism, but our public confession that we want to die to ourselves, be buried with Christ, and be resurrected as a new creature in Christ Jesus. 

Are we not the body of Christ?  What is the purpose of the body of Christ?  Did not Christ die for the salvation of all humanity?  What else will the body of Christ do, but enter into the same experience.  That is, to sacrifice all of self, to the service of Christ, which is the service of the salvation of humanity.  Will we follow Him by the sacrifice of our own plans and desires of the flesh, replacing them with His desires of the Spirit for the salvation of humanity or not?  This is the question, are we truly the body of Christ or not?

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Phil 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Matt 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

It is clear from the scriptures, that those who are not willing to enter our Lord's death, will not either receive His life.  To enter his death, is to enter into His service for the salvation of humanity.  The old saying is true, if you are not a part of the solution, then you are simply part of the problem.









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It is clear from the scriptures, that those who are not willing to enter our Lord's death, will not either receive His life.  To enter his death, is to enter into His service for the salvation of humanity.  The old saying is true, if you are not a part of the solution, then you are simply part of the problem.

Easy with that one, Bro. Though I can certainly agree with most of your post, you come to a different conclusion to the matter;  the purpose of the cross principle that when understood to be the grooming process of sonship in the Holy Spirit,  Jesus spent 3 + plus years teaching. Then He made available to us the power to live it out as He did, by going to the cross and bringing about a restoration Adam enjoyed before he transgressed. Jesus Christ the Author and finisher of our salvation . . . and all the Father intended for Adam. . . . ::clappingoverhead::









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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2009, 12:38:06 PM »
In context Paul is talking about sin not just his inability to keep the rituals of the law but the righeousness of the tha law. (morality)
Struggling With Sin
 7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
 11For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

If Paul could follow Christ perfectly (not sin)  ther would be no need for Christ.  He was saying follow me as or when I follow Christ.  He then pointed out that try as he may he could not be a perfect example like Christ.
 14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

 21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
      So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

If Paul could follow Christ perfectly (without sin) there would be no need for Christ.  He was saying follow me as (or when) I follow Christ.  Then in Rom. 7 he admitts that he is not capible of living without sin.
 
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