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Psychedelics and Drugs
« on: Fri May 01, 2020 - 16:35:48 »
The Bible tells us that Satan is the god of this world, the earth.
Satan is a very powerful being. God has allowed him to act with great influence
and power here. He has dominion over the spiritual
kingdom here on earth.

You've probably heard that marijuana is the gateway drug.
It is the gateway drug, but not to other drugs.
It's the gateway drug to the occult, to communication with Satan and demons.

There is a spiritual plane that exists directly over our physical.
Psychedelics & other mind altering drugs are a way to partially access this spiritual dimension & the spirits there.

The Bible tells us that using drugs for this purpose is witchcraft & sin.
In the original greek texts the word that we translate to witchcraft or sorcery
is actually "pharmakeia" : properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts.
Pharmakeia being derived from the same word pharmacy.

Don't listen to these new age spiritual teachers that get you to try to seek
spiritual matters or salvation through psychedelics & other mind altering drugs.
Jesus Christ is the only way and all your spiritual needs
can be found in the Holy Bible and through guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Yes you can experience part of the spiritual plane through psychedelics but the experience
is controlled by Satan and demons and doing so is sinful. Christians must wait for the Lord
to return to experience the spiritual safely and with a good conscience toward God.

In conclusion, avoid any mind altering substances. The only drugs I take are ibuprofen and Tylenol
on rare occasion of back pain or headache.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat May 02, 2020 - 05:56:44 »
The Bible tells us that Satan is the god of this world, the earth. Satan is a very powerful being. God has allowed him to act with great influence and power here. He has the ability to be everwhere at once. Influencing each and every one of us. He has dominion over the spiritual kingdom here on earth.
Sir, not sure where you are getting your information but it is not from the word of God. Satan can NOT be everywhere at ONCE...you said... He has the ability to be everywhere at once.  Satan is NOT omnipresence~that's an attribute that ONLY the Godhead possesses and CANNOT be in a created being. So, you need to retract your words and rethink what you have written, or if you think that I'm wrong, then prove it, but so far you have not responded to one of my posts to you.
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You've probably heard that marijuana is the gateway drug. It is the gateway drug, but not to other drugs. It's the gateway drug to the occult, to communication with Satan and demons.
This is so foolish to believe this and even worst to teach the same in the name of God. I DO NOT use marijuana but to teach that it is a drug to be avoided is coming from a self-righteous Pharisee, or a spiritually uninformed person speaking! Hemp and marijuana are ONE OF the plants that come from same FAMILY of plants is grown NATURALLY in this earth CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF and has some very good use IF USE in moderation, which is the key to all others plants good for food and animals, etc.

Again you need to do your homework before speaking, you just might be shame by those who are more informed. Marijuana plants are NOT SINFUL, it is the abuse of the same that is sinful! A big difference.
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In conclusion, avoid any mind altering substances. The only drugs I take are ibuprofen and Tylenol
on rare occasion of back pain or headache.
Then you take more than I do, and that's okay.... no sin. Ibuprofen and Tylenol~do you think folks cannot get hooked on them? Sure they can "IF" temperance is not used properly.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun May 03, 2020 - 04:06:41 »
BelssedCreator~waiting for a response......you make your post and then leave town, at least it seems that way.  RB

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« Reply #3 on: Sun May 03, 2020 - 08:16:14 »
The only drugs I take are ibuprofen and Tylenol
on rare occasion of back pain or headache.

I pray you never have to take any antibiotics of any kind. And that this stupid virus does not land you incapacitated in the hospital where you will have drugs given to you just to keep you alive, or you remain in perfect health so none is needed to combat cancer, heart disease or that damnable diabetes  ::tippinghat::

Or that bipolar becomes a norm for you and you need to balance out your brain.

For the rest of us, we will do what the doctors tell us as God inspired the creations of these things.

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« Reply #4 on: Sun May 03, 2020 - 08:17:20 »
BelssedCreator~waiting for a response......you make your post and then leave town, at least it seems that way.  RB

He does not answer question or reply.

I would assume because he cannot support his own positions.

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« Reply #5 on: Mon May 04, 2020 - 13:42:09 »
Lately I've been seeing news about Psilocybin (aka magic mushrooms) being used in low doses for mental illnesses.  Apparently, it permanently alters brain chemistry in a way that can make people prone to violent outbursts non-violent.

I think I'd be in favor of that.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon May 04, 2020 - 18:16:07 »
Lately I've been seeing news about Psilocybin (aka magic mushrooms) being used in low doses for mental illnesses.  Apparently, it permanently alters brain chemistry in a way that can make people prone to violent outbursts non-violent.

I think I'd be in favor of that.


The effects of mushrooms are very similar to LSD which was initially developed to control schizophrenia IIRC. 

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« Reply #7 on: Tue May 05, 2020 - 04:55:41 »
Lately I've been seeing news about Psilocybin (aka magic mushrooms) being used in low doses for mental illnesses.  Apparently, it permanently alters brain chemistry in a way that can make people prone to violent outbursts non-violent.

I think I'd be in favor of that.

Muchrooms are truly magical in many ways. All types of edible mushrooms contain varying degrees of protein and fibre. They also contain B vitamins as well as a "powerful antioxidant" called selenium, which helps to support the immune system and prevent damage to cells and tissues. Do you favor this as well? I'm sure you do. The question is can you eat them? I make myself eat them for their magical powers!

I'm a firm believer the length of days that folks lived in Genesis chapters 5-10 is due to fact that Adam had knowledge of what to eat and its benefit that would add days to one's life. Look at how long folks lived BEFORE THE FLOOD to how long they lived just right after the flood and THEN consider how man's days are to where we are now. The reason should be clear to any reasonable person. Man LOST the knowledge that Adam possessed coming from the hands of his Blessed Creator that were passed down to Noah (some know knowledge lost on the way by the very fact that Noah's days were w shorten and AFTER THE FLOOD even more so. I believe the rain forest of South America and other places, has enough natural means to heal certain diseases IF the ONLY man would TRUST GOD"S METHOD of healing our bodies. This world was beautiful and in perfect wisdom created for MAN"S BENEFITS and enjoyment.  Sin has ruined our ability to used it correctly. 
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« Reply #8 on: Tue May 05, 2020 - 07:32:09 »
I want some......... ::whistle::

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« Reply #9 on: Tue May 05, 2020 - 13:24:42 »
It's all a demonic deception to hurt people. Kind of like we see with other evil agendas being pushed in these end times such as the gender propaganda.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue May 05, 2020 - 14:14:57 »
It's all a demonic deception to hurt people.
 
Sir, I'm always OPEN to the truth, at least I pray to God that I'm.

So, if you would kindly tell me in what manner it is so concerning (It's all a demonic deception) "medical" benefit using such things as
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Hemp and marijuana are ONE OF the plants that come from the same FAMILY of plants is grown NATURALLY in this earth CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF and has some very good use IF USE in moderation, which is the key to all others plants good for food and animals, etc.
I'm truly open to the pros and cons of "hemp and marijuana" and marijuana being used in moderation for relaxing, etc. etc. Remember before posting that I do not use marijuana in any manner whatsoever, yet I'm not that spiritual stupid believing that it is sinful either. If anything I chose to do offended a weak brother, then I would NOT do the whatever I believe I have the liberty to do~BUT, only within certain limits~it may come a time when a rebuke is necessary to keep a weaker brother from judging other Christians.   
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« Reply #11 on: Wed May 06, 2020 - 22:52:02 »
All things God made are good. That doesn't mean we can misuse them. Smoking marijuana to get high is definitely not in line with God's will. Especially once you know you are opening up your mind to the spiritual.


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« Reply #12 on: Thu May 07, 2020 - 05:13:17 »
All things God made are good. That doesn't mean we can misuse them. Smoking marijuana to get high is definitely not in line with God's will. Especially once you know you are opening up your mind to the spiritual.
I'm glad to see that you at least confessed that all things God made was very good.

Not using temperance is a work of the flesh thereby placing oneself under the power and dominion of sin. Now the question is how should a person use all things that God has created to be used? Getting a "little" high or  the effects of any things be it wine, marijuana, etc. is not a sin~sin is when a person looks to, or delights in lawful things ABOVE delighting in and looking to God to fulfilled life's joy, peace and happiness~in other words, allowing lawful things to usurp God's place in our hearts on a daily journey through this life and controlling our desire to THAT (be whatever THAT may be) than desiring to please God in whatsoever we do.  It could even be sex in a lawful and God-honoring relationship. See 1st Corinthians 7 and consider in light of this discussion.

I remember a few years back having bible studies with a very godly and sincere young man with his new wife and as we were discussing the importance of praying and reading the word of God WITH ONE"S SPOUSE EVERDAY as part of their walk with God~I asked this young man do you two read and pray every day together (speaking directly to the man not the young lady) and he said not always....." sometimes "~and then asked him do you ever forget about visiting your wife at night for a time of love? To which he said very seldom, (which I knew that answer before asking because I know men) and I then asked him which is MORE IMPORTANT? He quickly agrees with me and I knew he would since he was a very godly young man. I was us laboring to help him to get his priorities in order so as to reap God's blessing upon him in putting God first and his lustful desire second even toward his wife.

Said all that to say this~one of the very purposes of smoking marijuana (and alcohol)  is to feel its effect and then use temperance to rule one's spirit to KNOW when enough is ENOUGH so as not sin against our God!

THIS IS true Christianity, not a religion that is either BLACK or WHITE, which generally is nothing more than a Phariseesical religion based upon MAN"S commandments of what HE thinks pleases God and if HE WAS GOD! God's ways are NOT our ways and neither are his thoughts like man but so much higher and based on TRUE GODLINESS!

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« Reply #13 on: Thu May 07, 2020 - 06:38:10 »
Said all that to say this~one of the very purposes of smoking marijuana (and alcohol)  is to feel its effect and then use temperance to rule one's spirit to KNOW when enough is ENOUGH so as not sin against our God!
In which case it is up to you to show that intoxication from wine or smoking dope is NOT an effect of the fall. 

All of what God created was good.  But when they ate that fruit, the very fundamental laws of physics were changed.

Romans 8:20
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope


Now you know where the 3rd law of thermodynamics came into existence. Entropy (futility) always increases.

Now prove that intoxication was NOT a result of the fall.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu May 07, 2020 - 08:19:55 »
Smoking anything I believe is contrary to God's will for it harms the body. If which is to be regarded by Christians as a holy temple for God to dwell in. Ofc you can still extra the intoxicating chemicals from the plant to get high but I believe this is wrong especially to those that know you are accessing the spiritual plane when doing so. By your logic we can use heroin and meth as long as we're moderately using it. Absolutely not true. It is an abuse of creation.
It is witchcraft.


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« Reply #15 on: Thu May 07, 2020 - 09:15:18 »
Smoking anything I believe is contrary to God's will for it harms the body.
One of the most interesting doctrinal debates I had ever heard at the ripe old age of 15 (1970) was between 2 teen age guys of the Southern Baptist persuasion. One was from the deep south and the other from a northern tier state. The guy from the north argues it was impossible to be saved if you smoke cigarettes; while the guy from the south argued that it was impossible to be saved if you did NOT smoke.

Neither had a shred of scripture to back up their viewpoint.
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By your logic we can use heroin and meth as long as we're moderately using it. Absolutely not true. It is an abuse of creation.
It is witchcraft.

Heroin = a very strong opiate.  Meth =  methamphetamine, a very strong stimulant.

Both opiates and amphetamines historically have been used medicinally with no problems.  Of course there are those who overuse/abuse them and have created black markets for both classes of prescription drugs.  But they can be useful in very small amounts.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu May 07, 2020 - 13:14:48 »
Heroin = a very strong opiate.  Meth =  methamphetamine, a very strong stimulant.

Both opiates and amphetamines historically have been used medicinally with no problems.  Of course there are those who overuse/abuse them and have created black markets for both classes of prescription drugs.  But they can be useful in very small amounts.
Forgive me for being technical, but...

Heroin and Meth are street drugs.  They are processed by the mafia, amateur chemists and often "cut" with all sorts of other substances that you really don't want to put in your body.

There are versions of these drugs that are processed by real chemists, and administered at hospitals or sold to those who have a valid prescription.  They are called Morphine and Adderall, respectively.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu May 07, 2020 - 14:32:04 »
Now prove that intoxication was NOT a result of the fall.
Greetings Dave, good to see you posting again.

I fully agree that drunkness is the result of the fall of man~ but drinking in moderation is totally different or any form of having a "buzz" from the sin of drunkenness.  I think any rational person understands a buzzed is where you can feel the effects, but aren't impaired. Drunk is where your inhibitions are lowered to the point where you wouldn't readily act that way sober. Buzzed, you still have a clear understanding of what you're doing, being good or evil and are able to maintain the fear of God.
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Forgive me for being technical, but...

Heroin and Meth are street drugs.  They are processed by the mafia, amateur chemists and often "cut" with all sorts of other substances that you really don't want to put in your body.

There are versions of these drugs that are processed by real chemists, and administered at hospitals or sold to those who have a valid prescription.  They are called Morphine and Adderall, respectively.
Agreed.
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Smoking anything I believe is contrary to God's will for it harms the body.
No problem, then FOR YOU it IS wrong, but that does not make it wrong for others, and certainly does not allow you to judge another person's liberty of his own conscience. "IF" you can maintain that balance between the two and STILL practice charity in all things, then very good, if not, then you become a judge of the law and not a doer thereof! There is only ONE Judge and he looks at the HAERT of man and not on outward things that go into our bodies. See Mark 7; Matthew 15; Romans 14; etc. There is There is NOT ONE THING from WITHOUT that can go into our bodies that can defile us SPIRITUALLY before God, impossible.......listen carefully to Jesus Christ:
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Mark 7:18-23~"And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."[/size
Words cannot be spoken any plainer than what Jesus Christ said her in Mark 7. There is NOT ONE THING in this world that man can put into his body that can defile him spiritually~but what is IN OUR HEARTS from the first Adam THAT is what can defile us before God IF left unruled by us. ALL manner of LUST seeking to have dominion over us.

Enough said for now. RB

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« Reply #18 on: Mon May 11, 2020 - 06:07:13 »
Greetings Dave, good to see you posting again.

I fully agree that drunkenness is the result of the fall of man~ but drinking in moderation is totally different or any form of having a "buzz" from the sin of drunkenness
Yeah RB.  Glad to see you too. :)

I agree there is a HUGE difference.  However, the congregation I grew up in taught that even accidentally SMELLING alcohol = the sin of drunkenness and cost you your salvation.

Interestingly, shortly after I moved away to go to college an ethanol plant opened up about 15 miles south of my town ( across the state line) and at times the entire area smelled like a stale beer.  The congregation collapsed and dissolved. I think the pastor moved out of state.

 

     
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