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Re: What Did Paul teach about the Sabbath?
« Reply #140 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:45:45 »
So many words; so little knowledge and understanding.

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Re: What Did Paul teach about the Sabbath?
« Reply #141 on: Tue Jan 07, 2020 - 08:58:09 »
Rom 14:2  One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3  Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

Rom 14:5  One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.


Yes, each person should be fully persuaded in his own mind. And what should they be persuaded of?

Who created the week and Sanctified one day above the rest? Who created animals and declared one clean, and one unclean?

Who are we to be servants of? Shall we all not bow to the Same God, the Same Word, which has been the same since the beginning, and as it is written, shall last forever?

What real difference does it make what "one man esteems" or "another man esteems"? Let God have His perfect work. Let each man be convinced in his own mind, so he can "obey from the heart" the doctrine delivered to them.

Remember,

23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.




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Re: What Did Paul teach about the Sabbath?
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Re: What Did Paul teach about the Sabbath?
« Reply #143 on: Sun Jan 12, 2020 - 00:38:22 »
Rom 14:2  One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
Rom 14:3  Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

Rom 14:5  One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.


He also alluded to it in Gal. 4:10, where he expressed alarm that the Galatians were again being enslaved to the Law from which Christ had freed them, including the celebration of "holy" days.

And in Col. 2:16, after spending several verses explaining God had "destroyed" the "certificate of debts expressed in decrees," metaphorical for the old Law, he exhorts the readers not to tolerate anyone presuming to sit in judgment over them in regard to the old festivals and holy days, explicitly including "Sabbaths."

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Re: What Did Paul teach about the Sabbath?
« Reply #144 on: Sun Jan 12, 2020 - 12:01:42 »
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He also alluded to it in Gal. 4:10, where he expressed alarm that the Galatians were again being enslaved to the Law from which Christ had freed them, including the celebration of "holy" days.



Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

I know mainstream religions select these verse as their justification of their religion which preaches to the world that Jesus "destroyed" the Laws of God.

Which I find fascinating given that to believe such a thing, a man would have to believe that when these Gentiles "Knew not God", they were following HIS Sabbaths, and HIS Holy days. Then, as their interpretation goes, when they were converted and "knew God" they rejected God Sabbaths and Laws, then somehow along the line, they "Turned again" to obeying the Commandments and Sabbaths of God they followed when they didn't know God.

Of course this is foolishness. There isn't a pagan religion ever practiced on the planet, through out it's history, that didn't have their own High Days, and pagan observations. God tells us to turn from their High days, and pagan observances, and turn to him.

An example of what Paul is saying is that if I was converted from Islam, but "turned again" to their religious observances, halal foods, etc.

The religions which preach Paul called The Feast's of the Christ, and His Laws "Beggarly Elements" is an insidious lie that has entrapped many people. Paul himself said "Let us therefore keep the Feast", and he himself observed the Christ's Feasts throughout the Bible.

 In fact, had the Early Church not been obedient to an Holy Day they had respect unto, they wouldn't have been gathered and they wouldn't have received the Holy Spirit that Peter said God gives to those who respect Him enough to obey Him.

Gentiles who don't know God, by definition are not following His instructions. The "Beggarly Elements" these converts were "turning again to" were the traditions of religious men, not the Commandments of God.










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Re: What Did Paul teach about the Sabbath?
« Reply #145 on: Sun Jan 12, 2020 - 12:17:53 »
And in Col. 2:16, after spending several verses explaining God had "destroyed" the "certificate of debts expressed in decrees," metaphorical for the old Law, he exhorts the readers not to tolerate anyone presuming to sit in judgment over them in regard to the old festivals and holy days, explicitly including "Sabbaths."

Col. 2 is a warning about religious men.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you (make you rotten) through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Again, to believe modern religious doctrines, I would have to believe that the Christ is a liar. That the Sabbath of the Lord, are really not His, but "vain deceit", Traditions of men", rudiments of the World".

That when Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, that this is a "Vain Deceit", and that I shouldn't listen to Him, as a man, or as the Creator of the Sabbath created for man. They are simply "Rudiments of the World".

What they willfully ignore here is that there were religious men, Pharisees, which were teaching for doctrines the Commandments and traditions of men. Men who had polluted and despised the Christ's Sabbaths, who killed innocent men according to their Law. A religion whose Laws said you couldn't take a walk on the Sabbath and eat an apple off a tree you walked by. A religion in whose Law made it a sin to eat an apple without first washing their hands a certain way.

 A religion whose Laws condemned men depending on the DNA they were born with. A religion who, by their own law and ordinances, condemned the only perfect man to ever live on the earth, to death for breaking their Laws.

 They had their High Days, They had their "images of God in the likeness of man". They had their own Laws they taught were God's Laws, but were not. This Priesthood, who had polluted God's Sabbath, had been around deceiving folks for centuries, is the Priesthood Jesus took over. it was their Laws that were against the Jew and Gentile. They were the ones Jesus "made a show of openly, and Triumphed over", not God as your teaching implies.

Paul is talking to those who "obeyed from the heart" that doctrine that was presented to them.

"Beware of men who would spoil you though philosophy". Don't let them judge you in your "Walking even as Jesus walked". These are of the Christ, not religious man.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Religious men's "vain deceit" or "Traditions of men" or "Rudiments of the world", are shadows of nothing. They make you vain.

But the influence of the religions of the land is relentless, like the serpent, they are cleaver, and subtle and they never stop. This is why Paul warns to "Beware of them".

God's Grace allowed these believers to escape the bondage of the man made religions around them, just as those converted in Gal. 4. But the pull and power of religious tradition is strong and Paul has to stay on them.

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? (NOT GOD as "many" who come in His Name, falsely preach)

It is a huge mistake and dis-service to God to equate HIS Sabbaths, Passover, Pentecost, to pagan high days, ceremonies, and observances. Sadly, many consider the "works" God foreordained that we should walk in them, just that "Beggarly Elements". But it is a deception, and one that were are warned about.

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