Repeating what I have already said, a baptism of repentance means a baptism characterized by repentance (see my reply#75 to you). I would suppose you don't need scriptures for that one. This is the baptism that John came preaching about. And so John came preaching, saying “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” (Mt. 1:2). While John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, he preached that they should believe on the Messiah, that is, Jesus Christ (Acts 19:4). Also, John had confessed, he baptized with water, but the coming Messiah will baptize them with the Holy Spirit (Mk. 1:7-8). This is the work that John was sent out to do, for the coming of the Lord. Nothing beyond this preparatory work could have resulted from this that John had done. For John was not sent for the forgiveness of sins, but rather, to prepare the way of the Lord (Matthew 3:3), Jesus Christ, who alone could effect the forgiveness of sin. And this the Lord will do by washing away the sins by baptizing him, not with water, but with the Holy Spirit.
You said "For John was not sent for the forgiveness of sins,"
Michael can you seriously not see this statement here is a direct misstatement of scripture. Scripture says
Mark 1:4 (KJV)
4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
The scripture teach John was sent to preach forgiveness of sin. That is what his baptism was for it was the beginning of the gospel of Christ. Mark 1:1
You can not say that Johns baptism was not for the remission of sin for it is clearly recorded that it is for such.
What I said is "For John was not sent for the forgiveness of sins, but rather, to prepare the way of the Lord (Matthew 3:3)". Perhaps you did not understand what I said there. John was not sent out to forgive sins nor effect it. For the purpose that John was sent, was to prepare the way of the Lord. And that is, in the spirit and power of Elijah.
Your statement, "The scripture teach John was sent to preach forgiveness of sin." is that which seems to be a misstatement. For clearly, what Mark said is that what John preach is
the baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. That is different from saying that John preached forgiveness of sins. He preached "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” Consider this truth about John.
Luke 1:13-17
13 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16
And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” Mt. 17:10-13
10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of
John the Baptist.
What do you know of Elijah's message? Is it not repentance towards the true God?
You said "Also, John had confessed, he baptized with water, but the coming Messiah will baptize them with the Holy Spirit "
Yes Johns baptism will wax away and the baptism in Christ name will overtake it but what does scripture teach on that?
Is the baptism with the holy spirit john foretold a dry baptism or is it what you call the Christian baptism by the way where in scripture is this told of?
Look at what is promised. John was saying that Jesus would give the indwelling spirit in which his baptism could not do because Jesus had of yet not went to the cross.
John 7:38-39 (KJV)
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
After the cross we read
Acts 2:38-39 (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
John's prophecy did come true Jesus in the baptism in his name is giving the indwelling spirit just as John had said would come to pass. It is the indwelling that was promised to all back when Johns was baptizing for the remission of sin pointing to this day.
Paul cleared that up in Acts 19
Acts 19:1-5 (KJV)
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Clearly you can see that Paul says that the indwelling spirit is given in the baptism in Christ name that is what was lacking in John's that John's could not do.
Now that Paul has corrected their baptism in accordance to Acts 2:38 he then lays hands on these Ephesians so as they can build the church in Ephesus. The difference shown in the spirit with in and the spirit upon that you keep getting confused in.
The indwelling produces fruit with in you change you from inside out. The spirit upon is the spirit working through you as a sign to further the building of the church to confirm the word is of God with signs to show it is authentic
Mark 16:17-20 (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
The baptism that John said that the Messiah will do, is with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1:7-8). This is not the same as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Baptism is a purification thing, a washing, a cleansing. That is different from the indwelling and from the empowering of the HS. The baptism with the HS is the purification of the believer of the filth of sin, of the guilt and of the bad conscience.
You said "John was saying that Jesus would give the indwelling spirit in which his baptism could not do because Jesus had of yet not went to the cross." While it is true that apostle John spoke of those believing in Christ would receive the HS, notice what John said concerning this. It is to them that believes. And John does not even connect this to the baptism with water.
In Acts 2, Peter indeed said "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." But that does not put the receiving of the HS necessarily to be when one is baptized. As I have pointed out that it is by believing that he gets to receive the HS, we can understand here that the receiving then is in the believing in Christ, which is the subject of the repentance that John was out calling on the people to do.
In Acts 19, notice what Paul said in v.2 "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?" Clearly, Paul tells us of the receiving of the HS to be in the believing. What he said in vv.3-5 points to believing in Christ, so that they may receive the HS, and not that in baptism, not of the water baptism that John the baptist performed nor that by the apostles and the disciples of Christ.
You said "Now that Paul has corrected their baptism in accordance to Acts 2:38..." There was nothing to be corrected about John's baptism, nor there was something lacking in it. For John's baptism is a baptism of repentance, nothing more. The only purpose is that of repentance, which prepares the people for the coming of the Messiah, in whom they they should believe, as Paul explained in Acts 19:4.
You said "Jesus Christ, who alone could effect the forgiveness of sin. And this the Lord will do by washing away the sins by baptizing him, not with water, but with the Holy Spirit."
Here you are correct up to the point you said not of water. It is clearly recorded in scripture that the baptism that Jesus was to baptize with is in water. It is the only one that bears his name that of Act 2:38 and in Acts 10
Acts 10:47-48 (KJV)
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Jesus was to give the indwelling spirit that is what John was speaking of in baptize with the Holy Ghost it is promised to all who call upon the Lord through baptism in the name of Christ and scripture show that came true in Acts 2:38
What you call the dry baptism of the spirit is not what the scriptures teach you say it is. I find that nowhere but in your mind. You and I have been over this several times but you still can not see the difference in what you teach compared to what the scripture back them selves with other scripture to drive home the true teaching on this subject. To many other scriptures back Acts 2:38 and says it means just what was recorded Baptism in Christ name is for the remission of sin and the receiving of the indwelling spirit.
You said "It is clearly recorded in scripture that the baptism that Jesus was to baptize with is in water." No sir. This is what John the baptist said, that the Messiah will baptize with the Holy Spirit (Mk.1:7-8). That is too clear to not see and understand, and say that Jesus was to baptize with water.
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