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« on: November 05, 2009, 11:12:47 PM »

About 22 yrs. ago, a traumatic incident occured in my life causing me to stop eating solid food for almost a week. I did drink water, gatorade, and such. Every night during that time, I prayed for hours, prone on my kitchen floor. I prayed in earnest for something I had lost and for a new life filled with the things I needed in my life.

The fasting took me to a base level where the focus was 100 percent on my needs. Yes, I was a mess but my heart was pure and I had never and haven't prayed like that since that fasting period.

Within 2 weeks my prayers were answered completely. All of them. Sometimes I wish I didn't get quite everything I prayed for but I wouldn't change anything in hind sight. Once the early hunger pains left I really never missed the food. I believe Jesus was fasting because the desire for food was earthly and hunger played no part in his communion.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 11:19:44 PM »

Luke 4:2  Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 11:36:43 PM »

once you get past the hunger, there is no hunger.  One is easily focused on spiritual things, as the basic, consuming drive for the body to be satisfied is not intruding in any way upon the person.  This can be taken, and is by some, to be applied to the passage which speaks of refraining from sexual relations with the spouse for a short time, (agreed upon by both!), for the benefit of the spiritual, for the desires of the flesh would yet be encroaching upon the spiritual, even though fasting.  This is removing another critical distraction.

And yes, there is strong merit in it, from what I've seen.

Tie this into Paul's buffeting his body for the spiritual gain.  How many Christians actually fast?  Few indeed.  And many actually fast regularly, or at least more than once or maybe twice in their life?  Fewer still.  And how many married ones abstain for a period of time in conjunction with fasting, for spiritua reasons?  Even fewer.  How many profess to have great wisdom and insight?  Many.  How many actually receive that which they ask for from God?  Few, by their own admission.  But they are very well "educated" spiritually.

The state of the church saddens me.

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 12:22:48 AM »

I once fasted from food and water for three days. Someone told me that was called "super fasting", I never heard that before or since. But I can say there was never a time like that when I felt so connected as I did then. Circumstances were dire, but I wasn't really fasting for something, I was more fasting out of guilt and contrition. When I started fasting I even felt like the suggestion was something spoken to me directly from God, which today I would be skeptical of. But at that time I was a new Christian going on something like 2 or 3 months, and I had never fasted before ever, never even considered it. Looking back it was a wonderful and difficult experience. Eating and drinking again was a painful experience of themselves.

I have never been able to accomplish that level of fasting again, the most I could do after that was like a day or something since.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 12:23:53 AM »

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The state of the church saddens me.

Amen!

And yes, Christians should fast.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 01:26:02 PM »

Fasting was a common practice within the early church. Both the OT and NT commend it; especially noteworthy is Mark 2:18-20 (cf. Matt. 9:14,15 ; Luke 5:34,35).

Fasting is routinely practiced by the Roman Catholics and some Episcopalians during Lent,
though it is generally not a case of going full days without food, but perhaps missing the odd meal or eating sparingly.

Protracted fasting is an excellent means of crucifying the flesh because it denies the body its source of satisfaction and allows the spiritual man to rise above any tendency to carnality. It in effect, subjugates the " old man. " Normally, after a day or two of straight fasting (completely turning over your plate), the body begins to exert pressure on the one fasting, to capitulate. Having fasted many times beyond three days, the building up of hunger pangs subsides remarkably by the fifth day. It is much easier to continue a fast from this point -- ten or twelve days not being particularly difficult. It's getting beyond the fourth day that is tough. It is important to be well hydrated during a fast.

I have read accounts of a few dedicated Christian fasters : most notably Derek Prince. He and others relate God's timely intervention that will stop the one who is fasting righteously from causing himself physical harm. That point is somewhere between 35 to 40 days, depending on the age and constitution of the one fasting. But if one who is physically healthy and wants to fast and pray for 20 to 25 days, there should be no problem.

Don't just sit around while fasting. It's important to commune most of the fasting exercise in meditation of Scripture and in concentrated prayer, holding to an attitude that corresponds to the instructions found in Isaiah 58:3f.

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 03:42:23 PM »

Is fasting something you DO or something you do NOT do: it seems to me that people were consumed with something else and fasting was "forgetting to eat."  I think that if you begin having "experiences" you may be overdoing it.

My middle and eldest daughter showed up looking wonderful: I went on their high protein diet: no breads or sugar.  My blood sugar went from 140 is to 100 ish and my weight went from about 213 to about 197. I will look for the 180ish range. I feel much betters. Knees don't scream at me and I never have that urge to reach for the cookie jar.  Eat lots of nuts.

That's not fasting but I could about do a whole day without food and it would be a good thing.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 04:46:24 PM »

About 22 yrs. ago, a traumatic incident occured in my life causing me to stop eating solid food for almost a week. I did drink water, gatorade, and such. Every night during that time, I prayed for hours, prone on my kitchen floor. I prayed in earnest for something I had lost and for a new life filled with the things I needed in my life.

The fasting took me to a base level where the focus was 100 percent on my needs. Yes, I was a mess but my heart was pure and I had never and haven't prayed like that since that fasting period.

Within 2 weeks my prayers were answered completely. All of them. Sometimes I wish I didn't get quite everything I prayed for but I wouldn't change anything in hind sight. Once the early hunger pains left I really never missed the food. I believe Jesus was fasting because the desire for food was earthly and hunger played no part in his communion.



Thank you for this post and sharing your story.


This is something that my wife are trying to do in greater ways.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 07:42:26 PM »

In the OT God asked the Israelites: you weep -- but do you weep for ME?  You fast -- but do you fast for ME?  Fasting is like prayer or giving or asking: if the motives are wrong, you will yet miss out on the fulness that God has for you.  Fasting is good: provided that the heart is seeking HIM!  "Seek first the kingdom of God...."  and all these things will be added to you.  Yes, one can come to the Lord and fast for a specific reason, but fast for HIM, due to that specific reason: don't get the cart before the horse!  God will help in this, to, for it is He who works in us to both DESIRE it and then to DO it, with "it" being God's perfect will, which entails fasting.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2009, 06:21:17 AM »

This is an interesting subject for me because it seems lately that God keeps bringing this topic to me in different ways. I keep seeing it in the word, hear about it from sermons I listen to, and people keep testifying about it. I will say that fasting is something that we don't practice in the Church today. I am not surprised that people are not talking about this more on your thread. There is great power and deliverance in fasting. I know from experience that when a group of people from any church fast together that they experience God's presence in greater ways.

Many years ago when I was a young Christian and new to the faith my first Pastor was a man who prayed and fasted on a regular basis. He did not sound the trumpet about this. I only knew because we became close and he was trying to teach me about experiencing God. At that church you could sense the power of God in wonderful ways and each month there were always several converts. I think that if we would fast more and share our testimonies afterward in the church that people would be more prone to fast. Jesus said "when you fast" which shows us that there was an expectation that this would be a normal part of our walk with HIM!
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2009, 06:39:08 AM »

I think fasting is good practice. The extent can vary from eating smaller meals to complete abstenance. I used to fast regularly in Lent but I have to admit I have slipped in this in recent years. Sometimes thought I fast on bread and water for a day, or substitute bread and water for a meal.

You also have to be aware of what your body can take.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 09:37:16 AM »

Like many things, it should be done in secret.  If not, one's motive is in question.

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 12:39:16 PM »

Is fasting of God or is it done through tradition! I have never fasted as I do not think that God wants me to go without nourishment to my body as a sacrifice for me to receive anything from God. I know when I pray that God supplies all my needs and as so many afflicted themselves in the Bible was it by tradition or was it by God. Do we truly know that Jesus went without food and water or was he under Gods true fast. I'm not asking this as a question, but stating what God has said and gave questioned to man. If one wants to fast by not eating I have no problem with that as that is a personal choice, but for me I know what Gods true fast is. Below is what God has said about a mans fasting and what Gods true fast is.

Isa 58:1  Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
Isa 58:2  Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
Isa 58:3  Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labors.
Isa 58:4  Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
Isa 58:5  Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
Isa 58:6  Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7  Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8  Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rearward.
Isa 58:9  Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10  And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isa 58:11  And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2009, 01:37:32 PM »

Like many things, it should be done in secret.  If not, one's motive is in question.



Yes and no.

In OT Scripture we read of Israel being called by the prophets to fast. It wasn't
intended to be a personal, but a corporate issue. Similarly, when the Church was centred in Antioch (see Acts 13:1-3) the fasted and prayed for God's direction. And the result of that corporate fasting was the commissioning of Saul and Barnabas.

If we plan on fasting for personal edification, apart from any corporate concern, then it is a matter of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing (as per Matt. 6:16-18). Although, if one is led by God to fast for twenty days or more, there will be no mistaking that the individual is either fasting or on a radical diet, such will be the radical weight loss.

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2009, 04:00:30 PM »

Fasting was a common practice within the early church. Both the OT and NT commend it; especially noteworthy is Mark 2:18-20 (cf. Matt. 9:14,15 ; Luke 5:34,35).

Fasting is routinely practiced by the Roman Catholics and some Episcopalians during Lent,
though it is generally not a case of going full days without food, but perhaps missing the odd meal or eating sparingly.

Protracted fasting is an excellent means of crucifying the flesh because it denies the body its source of satisfaction and allows the spiritual man to rise above any tendency to carnality. It in effect, subjugates the " old man. " Normally, after a day or two of straight fasting (completely turning over your plate), the body begins to exert pressure on the one fasting, to capitulate. Having fasted many times beyond three days, the building up of hunger pangs subsides remarkably by the fifth day. It is much easier to continue a fast from this point -- ten or twelve days not being particularly difficult. It's getting beyond the fourth day that is tough. It is important to be well hydrated during a fast.

I have read accounts of a few dedicated Christian fasters : most notably Derek Prince. He and others relate God's timely intervention that will stop the one who is fasting righteously from causing himself physical harm. That point is somewhere between 35 to 40 days, depending on the age and constitution of the one fasting. But if one who is physically healthy and wants to fast and pray for 20 to 25 days, there should be no problem.

Don't just sit around while fasting. It's important to commune most of the fasting exercise in meditation of Scripture and in concentrated prayer, holding to an attitude that corresponds to the instructions found in Isaiah 58:3f.

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