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« on: April 08, 2008, 11:48:09 AM »

Me and my wife talk about this on occasion.  Although I personally believe it isn't a requirement, especially a salvation issue, she believes that the bible instructs it.


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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 12:13:54 PM »

Paul instructed Corinthian women to cover their heads, but that doesn't necessarily mean those instructions apply to all women everywhere. It was likely a social custom in ancient Corinth, the ignoring of which might cause undue dissension. But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 12:28:39 PM »

Lee,

I agree that it was likely a local cultural issue and not meant for everyone in that day, much less today.  It's important to not take single verses like this, and use them to make hard rules.  First thing to do, as you did, is to note the reason behind what is written and the Spirit behind it.  Of course, this takes effort and research.  And if we err, let's err on the side of freedom and liberty, rather than rules and regulations.  I believe, things that are important to the Lord are repetitious and clear in the Word.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 12:37:16 PM »

Well said,  Sherman and Lee!!!! Applause
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 12:58:02 PM »

Lee,

I agree that it was likely a local cultural issue and not meant for everyone in that day, much less today.  It's important to not take single verses like this, and use them to make hard rules.  First thing to do, as you did, is to note the reason behind what is written and the Spirit behind it.  Of course, this takes effort and research.  And if we err, let's err on the side of freedom and liberty, rather than rules and regulations.  I believe, things that are important to the Lord are repetitious and clear in the Word.

I agree one hundred per-cent!

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 03:44:13 PM »

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I think if you will read 1Cor. 11:1-14 all the way
through you will see that it is talking about appropriate
hair length for men and women. So that men don't
appear effeminate and so that women don't appear masculine.
It's not talking about wearing a hat or something.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 04:45:19 PM »

Paul instructed Corinthian women to cover their heads, but that doesn't necessarily mean those instructions apply to all women everywhere. It was likely a social custom in ancient Corinth, the ignoring of which might cause undue dissension. But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

Pax.

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Please. With your background in the C of C, you know full well that the women were praying and prophesying in Ladies Bible Class.  Cheers

Back to the original post, I have to agree with Lee and Sherman about the cultural significance of the headcovering. Someone could write similar instructions in some Middle Eastern countries today, but in the US, we don't attach any cultural significance to headcoverings. As Lee correctly pointed out, some ultra conservative churches require the women to cover their heads, but they wouldn't dream of allowing the women to pray or prophesy in the assembly. That is a strange approach to biblical interpretation, to say the least.
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 05:13:49 PM »

Paul instructed Corinthian women to cover their heads, but that doesn't necessarily mean those instructions apply to all women everywhere. It was likely a social custom in ancient Corinth, the ignoring of which might cause undue dissension. But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

Pax.

Lee,
Please. With your background in the C of C, you know full well that the women were praying and prophesying in Ladies Bible Class.  Cheers

Back to the original post, I have to agree with Lee and Sherman about the cultural significance of the headcovering. Someone could write similar instructions in some Middle Eastern countries today, but in the US, we don't attach any cultural significance to headcoverings. As Lee correctly pointed out, some ultra conservative churches require the women to cover their heads, but they wouldn't dream of allowing the women to pray or prophesy in the assembly. That is a strange approach to biblical interpretation, to say the least.
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Touche'  Althgough when have you ever seen anyone in the church of Christ, man or woman, prophesy?  Smile

You're right, though, it just shows how screwy our hermeneutics and exegesis can be.

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"Let the unity of Christians be our polar star." - Elder Barton Warren Stone (1772-1844)

"It is wrong to make anything a condition of fellowship which is not essential to salvation. We draw the line here. That which will damn a soul and separate us in the next world should divide us in this; nothing else should. " - FD Srygley (1856-1900)
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 06:21:27 PM »

I haven't studied the subject.
I remember hearing that some think a woman's head covering is her glory, "hair."  Have no idea where it came from so don't quote me on it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 06:51:13 PM »

Most definately they should cover them!

Are you seriosusly thinking it is not a good thing when that tornado siren goes off?

I can't imagine that everyone else should cover theirs but women shouldn't?

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2008, 07:03:22 PM »

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I think if you will read 1Cor. 11:1-14 all the way
through you will see that it is talking about appropriate
hair length for men and women. So that men don't
appear effeminate and so that women don't appear masculine.
It's not talking about wearing a hat or something.

thats an interesting view, never thought of it this way.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 09:31:33 PM »

The question was asked
Should women cover their head in church?

The answer is

Yes if they are ugly please cover the head
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 10:32:37 PM »

Me and my wife talk about this on occasion.  Although I personally believe it isn't a requirement, especially a salvation issue, she believes that the bible instructs it.


Your thoughts?

When women are praying and prophesying in the assembly they should be covered.  When not praying and prophesying they may leave their covering off and their hair down.

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2008, 11:03:20 PM »

But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

There is a lot of information on the Mad Women of Corinth: Catherine Kroeger--a feminists--knows some good Greek literature.  Whatever they were doing in 11:5 was not in the assembly: Paul begins to discuss "when you come together" or when you synagogue in 11:17.

The uncovered prophesying was singing, clapping, playing instruments and trying to arouse the customers at the pagan temples. And women in Corinth could be "just out of paganism" where singing-playing women were the public "worship leaders."

While Paul regulates the spiritual gifts it is clear that he uses irony and no one in Corinth was so gifted.  Therefore, prophesying was forthtelling the Word of God.  People might pray in a tongue which was a minor dialect common in Corinth when everyone present could understand Koine.  If one wanted to speak in Latin HE had to pray or speak so that HE could interpret or translate OR he must have an interpreter.

Because it would ONLY be women likely to gibber or sing and play (the meaning of prophecy) if the women were regulated the possibility for an outbreak of what Paul called WRATH or ORGE could not happen among the mature males.   Therefore, here is what happens DURING ASSEMBLY

1Cor. 14:34 Let your women keep silence [includes sedentary] in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Paul assuredly knew about Miriam (bitter waters, rebellious) who is marked as a "prophetess" of Hathor connected to Apis the golden calf as the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity for which cause God turned them over to worship the heavenly stars. The word for "prophetess" is defined as "an Egyptian Sorceress." And interestingly most of the singing and instrument names point to enchantment: John called them sorcerers in Revelation 18.  This is just NOT something most pre postmodern "males" would fall into other than the leader of the charismatic band who ceased being charismatic when they fell out of love with the "one Warlock out of 10,000 witches."

There are some things left as signs or MARKS: "because all religionism is promoted by disenfranchised or marginalized males and their chief supporters, the women, and males never fall into it" it has been said especially of the wild frontier revivalism, if you have an invasion of the "musical body snatchers" you can be guaranteed that there is a TOP ELDERESS doing the leading. Sorry, history knows no exceptuion.

There is another MARK of the Warlock: "if he does not speak according to the Word there is no truth in him." Or of the elders as the ordained preacher-teachers "he must teach that which has been taught." Peter left that so we can MARK the false teachers just as false prophets were marked.


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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2008, 11:13:08 PM »

If I read the Bible as you did Ken, I would not see it as good news or the Gospel at all.

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