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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 11:17:08 PM »

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Paul assuredly knew about Miriam (bitter waters, rebellious) who is marked as a "prophetess" of Hathor connected to Apis the golden calf as the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity for which cause God turned them over to worship the heavenly stars. The word for "prophetess" is defined as "an Egyptian Sorceress." And interestingly most of the singing and instrument names point to enchantment: John called them sorcerers in Revelation 18.  This is just NOT something most pre postmodern "males" would fall into other than the leader of the charismatic band who ceased being charismatic when they fell out of love with the "one Warlock out of 10,000 witches."

 So what your saying is we should have women preachers!
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 11:27:47 PM »

But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

There is a lot of information on the Mad Women of Corinth: Catherine Kroeger--a feminists--knows some good Greek literature.  Whatever they were doing in 11:5 was not in the assembly: Paul begins to discuss "when you come together" or when you synagogue in 11:17.

The uncovered prophesying was singing, clapping, playing instruments and trying to arouse the customers at the pagan temples. And women in Corinth could be "just out of paganism" where singing-playing women were the public "worship leaders."

While Paul regulates the spiritual gifts it is clear that he uses irony and no one in Corinth was so gifted.  Therefore, prophesying was forthtelling the Word of God.  People might pray in a tongue which was a minor dialect common in Corinth when everyone present could understand Koine.  If one wanted to speak in Latin HE had to pray or speak so that HE could interpret or translate OR he must have an interpreter.

Because it would ONLY be women likely to gibber or sing and play (the meaning of prophecy) if the women were regulated the possibility for an outbreak of what Paul called WRATH or ORGE could not happen among the mature males.   Therefore, here is what happens DURING ASSEMBLY

1Cor. 14:34 Let your women keep silence [includes sedentary] in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Paul assuredly knew about Miriam (bitter waters, rebellious) who is marked as a "prophetess" of Hathor connected to Apis the golden calf as the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity for which cause God turned them over to worship the heavenly stars. The word for "prophetess" is defined as "an Egyptian Sorceress." And interestingly most of the singing and instrument names point to enchantment: John called them sorcerers in Revelation 18.  This is just NOT something most pre postmodern "males" would fall into other than the leader of the charismatic band who ceased being charismatic when they fell out of love with the "one Warlock out of 10,000 witches."

There are some things left as signs or MARKS: "because all religionism is promoted by disenfranchised or marginalized males and their chief supporters, the women, and males never fall into it" it has been said especially of the wild frontier revivalism, if you have an invasion of the "musical body snatchers" you can be guaranteed that there is a TOP ELDERESS doing the leading. Sorry, history knows no exceptuion.

There is another MARK of the Warlock: "if he does not speak according to the Word there is no truth in him." Or of the elders as the ordained preacher-teachers "he must teach that which has been taught." Peter left that so we can MARK the false teachers just as false prophets were marked.



Blituri, aka Piney,
You never disappoint! This is yet another classic.

First, the Greek word for coming together is not synagogue. It is "sunerchomai," which means "to come together."

Second, Paul instructs the women how to pray and prophesy appropriately. Are you suggesting that it was okay for them to sing, clap, and play instruments, as long as they were not doing so at the pagan temples? Oh, wait, I get it. When men prophesy, it is forthtelling the word of God. When women prophesy, it is gibbering, singing, clapping, and playing instruments. Never mind that Paul uses the same language for both.

Third, where in the world do you get the notion that praying or speaking in tongues had something to do with a minor dialect or Latin, of all things?

Warlocks? Witches? Lions, and tigers, and bears--oh my!

Are you serious? Or do you even give yourself a chuckle when you write this stuff?
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2008, 03:11:40 AM »

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Are you serious? Or do you even give yourself a chuckle when you write this stuff? 

He's so serious he holds the world record in heart attacks   Rolling on floor laughing
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2008, 06:49:34 AM »

The question was asked
Should women cover their head in church?

The answer is

Yes if they are ugly please cover the head

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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2008, 11:12:58 AM »

thanks for all the input, although i am more confused now than before It's raining
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2008, 12:57:08 PM »

Sorry to hear about your confusion. I thought I
had made it rather plain and simple. (Reply #5)
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2008, 10:22:34 PM »

But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

There is a lot of information on the Mad Women of Corinth: Catherine Kroeger--a feminists--knows some good Greek literature.  Whatever they were doing in 11:5 was not in the assembly: Paul begins to discuss "when you come together" or when you synagogue in 11:17.

The uncovered prophesying was singing, clapping, playing instruments and trying to arouse the customers at the pagan temples. And women in Corinth could be "just out of paganism" where singing-playing women were the public "worship leaders."

While Paul regulates the spiritual gifts it is clear that he uses irony and no one in Corinth was so gifted.  Therefore, prophesying was forthtelling the Word of God.  People might pray in a tongue which was a minor dialect common in Corinth when everyone present could understand Koine.  If one wanted to speak in Latin HE had to pray or speak so that HE could interpret or translate OR he must have an interpreter.

Because it would ONLY be women likely to gibber or sing and play (the meaning of prophecy) if the women were regulated the possibility for an outbreak of what Paul called WRATH or ORGE could not happen among the mature males.   Therefore, here is what happens DURING ASSEMBLY

1Cor. 14:34 Let your women keep silence [includes sedentary] in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Paul assuredly knew about Miriam (bitter waters, rebellious) who is marked as a "prophetess" of Hathor connected to Apis the golden calf as the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity for which cause God turned them over to worship the heavenly stars. The word for "prophetess" is defined as "an Egyptian Sorceress." And interestingly most of the singing and instrument names point to enchantment: John called them sorcerers in Revelation 18.  This is just NOT something most pre postmodern "males" would fall into other than the leader of the charismatic band who ceased being charismatic when they fell out of love with the "one Warlock out of 10,000 witches."

There are some things left as signs or MARKS: "because all religionism is promoted by disenfranchised or marginalized males and their chief supporters, the women, and males never fall into it" it has been said especially of the wild frontier revivalism, if you have an invasion of the "musical body snatchers" you can be guaranteed that there is a TOP ELDERESS doing the leading. Sorry, history knows no exceptuion.

There is another MARK of the Warlock: "if he does not speak according to the Word there is no truth in him." Or of the elders as the ordained preacher-teachers "he must teach that which has been taught." Peter left that so we can MARK the false teachers just as false prophets were marked.



Blituri, aka Piney,
You never disappoint! This is yet another classic.

First, the Greek word for coming together is not synagogue. It is "sunerchomai," which means "to come together."

Second, Paul instructs the women how to pray and prophesy appropriately. Are you suggesting that it was okay for them to sing, clap, and play instruments, as long as they were not doing so at the pagan temples? Oh, wait, I get it. When men prophesy, it is forthtelling the word of God. When women prophesy, it is gibbering, singing, clapping, and playing instruments. Never mind that Paul uses the same language for both.

Third, where in the world do you get the notion that praying or speaking in tongues had something to do with a minor dialect or Latin, of all things?

Warlocks? Witches? Lions, and tigers, and bears--oh my!

Are you serious? Or do you even give yourself a chuckle when you write this stuff?
Keep those hits coming!  Disco
Melchizedek

Finally, someone who really knows Greek well enough to take on piney's weird posts.
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2008, 10:24:07 PM »

Yes,

Women should wear hats, but men must have chest-length beards if we follow the scriptures to this natural conclusion.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2008, 12:19:25 AM »

Big Mike Lewis wrote:
Finally, someone who really knows Greek well enough to take on piney's weird posts.

Big Mike,
His abuse of the Greek is easy enough to handle. The bigger challenge is making sense of his English.  eek!
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2008, 01:27:31 AM »

I have thick shoulder length hair, and I wear my wedding ring all the time, I am covered by the blood of the Lamb.

How much more can I get covered, and it really matter?
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Paul instructed Corinthian women to cover their heads, but that doesn't necessarily mean those instructions apply to all women everywhere. It was likely a social custom in ancient Corinth, the ignoring of which might cause undue dissension. But what interests me more than the head coverings is why these women had to wear them. The context of chapter 11 indicates that women were supposed to wear head coverings when praying or prophesying. This praying/prophesying must've been in the public assembly, else why would they need to wear head coverings? So in my mind the two go together. If women must wear head coverings, shouldn't they be allowed to pray or prophesy in church, as these Corinthian women did?

Pax.

You know, I struggle with logic like this.  Honestly, I agree that women covering their heads is a cultural issue - yet I have a real problem with the inconsistent manner in which some traditions / requirements outlined in the Bible are labeled as culturally / time bound, while others that appear to be more compatible with modern society are enforced! 

Who gets to make these important decisions?

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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2008, 02:31:03 AM »

Big Mike Lewis wrote:
Finally, someone who really knows Greek well enough to take on piney's weird posts.

Big Mike,
His abuse of the Greek is easy enough to handle. The bigger challenge is making sense of his English.  eek!
Melchizedek

I don't even know how you can decipher half of what he is or is not trying to say.  And then, there are all the colors.  Juggling
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2008, 09:49:09 AM »

Hair was a big deal in this culture. Hair was a sign of status and lifestyle. Mussed hair was associated with illicit sexual encounters. Prostitutes shaved their heads. Gay men wore their hair ornamentally arranged, or "prettified". A woman who wore a covering on her head in public was under the protection of the Roman government.  If a man approached this woman, he could suffer consequences. If a man attacked a woman with an uncovered head, he could plead extenuating circumstances. Hair was a big cultural deal in Corinth.
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2008, 11:49:14 AM »

Head covering, just check the history of the world during the time of Paul.

Well why look to Paul's time look at today's Mideast.

In a traditional Muslim country women wear veils, not an option, this shows they are under the authority of a family.

A Christin Church springs up and the argument starts, should women wear veils, can a man wear a veil, or should women just be silent.

One historical reasoning comes forward, during the first century Greek women were going through a women's lib movement. Roman women had rights, but the Greek women did not. Instead of burning their bras, they started removing their veils. Even today we see the same thing in the Mideast.

If a women is going to pray, put on a veil out of respect for the men in the group. After church meeting is over go burn your veil. I am woman hear me roar.

Check the picture at the bottom of the link she is wearing a veil.

Trying to keep it short. History books sometimes reveal more about the writer than the actual history, so I try to take them at face value.

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2008, 11:32:04 PM »

I would have to say that it was a cultural thing.  Now, I am covered by the blood of the lamb...good enough for me.... Cool
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