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« Reply #285 on: November 01, 2009, 09:03:07 AM »
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« Reply #286 on: November 01, 2009, 09:31:45 AM »
Quote from: walker starr on November 01, 2009, 07:52:21 AM



         First Corinthians Ch11 has been cited as authority for the necessity of women's head coverings.
         Those were the words of Paul,formerly Saul.  Definitely not the words of JESUS.  those
         statements seem to contradict themselves.  At one point demanding headcoverings and at
         another stating that a woman's long flowing hair as given to her by GOD is covering enough.
         I was asked to provide scripture to show the lack of need for women's head coverings.  I now ask
         to be shown scripture proving such need in JESUS' own words for that's all I will accept.  Thank you Jesus Amen.
        
          

I have always said that Jesus did not teach the wearing of hats and neither is it a commandment, but it does worry me that people can dispense with the whole of the Bible and just take their teaching from the four gospels and then reduce them still further to the sayings of Jesus especially when we are told there are not enough books in the world to contain all that he said.

I think Jesus was quite keen that we should rid ourselves of all ostentation and be humble of heart. People spend a fortune on hairstylists in order to make themselves look more beautiful and I wonder what Jesus would have thought of this in the light of the beatitudes and I just feel that covering yourself would cover any fine clothes especially as women paraded their jewellery and wealth in their hair? I wonder what the widow was wearing in the temple when she gave her two mites?

# Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
# Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)
# Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
# Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
# Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
# Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
# Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
# Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

It seems Jewish women covered their heads and the point is Jesus did not speak out against it.

In Biblical times, women covered their heads with veils or scarfs a sign of chastity and modesty. The unveiling of a woman's hair was considered a humiliation and punishment (Numbers 5:18, Isaiah 3:17, II Maccabees 4:6, Sus. 32).

In the orient, the head was covered as a gesture of respect, in the presence of a notable, an elder or scholar. From this followed the practice of covering the head in the presence of G-d at worship, the practice becoming a sign of piety.

Some rabbis compared the exposure of a married woman's hair to the exposure of her private parts since they felt that a woman's hair could be used for erotic excitement (Ber 24a). They forbid the recital of any blessing in the pres ence of a bare headed woman. Pious women even took care to not uncover their hair in their house. This was particularly true of Kimhit, the mother of several high priests (Yoma 47A, Lev. R 20:11).

The general custom was to appear in public and in the presence of strange men with covered hair. it gradually became accepted to be the general traditional custom for all Jewish women to cover their hair (Sh. Ar. EH 21.2).

http://associate.com/library/The_Reading_Room/Yeshua_Messianic_Judaism/Womens_headcoverings_a_Messi.shtml
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« Reply #287 on: November 01, 2009, 09:54:18 AM »
Quote from: phoebe on October 31, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Butch5 on October 31, 2009, 09:24:38 PM
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Thirdly, no, it is not required that a woman cover her head 24/7. It is only when she comes into the church and is praying.


See?  It's flawed.  A woman can't "come into the church" because she IS the church.  We, those who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the Christ, regardless of gender, ARE "the church".  No coming in and going out.






Nailed it.

However, I suspect that Butch makes a distinction between the members of the Body of Christ and the assembled Body of Christ.


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« Reply #288 on: November 01, 2009, 01:20:15 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on October 31, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Butch5 on October 31, 2009, 09:24:38 PM
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Thirdly, no, it is not required that a woman cover her head 24/7. It is only when she comes into the church and is praying.


See?  It's flawed.  A woman can't "come into the church" because she IS the church.  We, those who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the Christ, regardless of gender, ARE "the church".  No coming in and going out.




Paul didn't say when you come into the church, he said when you come together.  When you come together for worship.

I don't understand why you are so adamantly opposed to this, it is Scripture.
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« Reply #289 on: November 01, 2009, 01:22:29 PM »
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Quote from: phoebe on October 31, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Butch5 on October 31, 2009, 09:24:38 PM
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Thirdly, no, it is not required that a woman cover her head 24/7. It is only when she comes into the church and is praying.


See?  It's flawed.  A woman can't "come into the church" because she IS the church.  We, those who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the Christ, regardless of gender, ARE "the church".  No coming in and going out.

 Amen!

Do I understand that you are opposed to the Scripture also?
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And let those who are not found living as He taught, be understood to be no Christians, even though they profess with the lip the precepts of Christ; for not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to His word: “Not every one who saith to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

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« Reply #290 on: November 01, 2009, 01:35:04 PM »
I actually believe that my husband is the head of the family, but I dont believe that God is asking me to cover my head, and my husband doesn't either.Neither he nor I have ever felt convicted of this and he has been a christian for 46 years and I have been one for 38 or so years, so I really think that if I were disobeying God He would havd told me by now..
If it really were that important to God He would have told the millions of Christians who dont cover their heads to do so.
I have never actually met a single man or women who feels that God wants us to do this in all the years that I have been a  christisn.
I think God is more concerned with how many people are going to hell for eternity.
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« Reply #291 on: November 01, 2009, 01:38:06 PM »
Quote from: 0man on November 01, 2009, 01:25:48 AM
What was happening in Paul's day was that the prostitutes and pagan priestesses went round bare-headed (or shaven) and by wearing hats the Christian ladies separated themselves from the pagan customs and thus brought glory to their husbands by emphasising the purity of Christianity through the symbolism of the hat which like a court order has the power of a greater authority behind it.

Jesus did not teach the wearing of hats but he taught holiness and righteousness and although the wearing of hats is not commanded it was a response to conditions prevailing at the time and wearing a hat in those circumstances set Christians on the moral high ground which gave it its power and authority; for righteousness is blessed of the Lord. The elders approved the wearing of hats and as they were the messengers of God's word they were the angels who were above the congregation and thus above the hat but lower than Christ.

Paul's opening comment was about the authority of Christ who is head over all with man being created before women. It has little to do with family life and he went on to emphasise the equality of men and women in their home life together with the Lord when he said:

"Nor was man created for woman's sake, but woman was created for man's sake..............In our life in the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman was made from man, in the same way man is born of woman; and it is God who brings everything into existence.
(Both genders are subject to Christ.)

My own personal feelings are that if our Christian ladies would like to separate themselves from the world by the wearing of a hat then I am sure Paul and the church elders would approve, for sin remains unabated in the world today and in that respect conditions remain unchanged.

People today do not wear hats and neither did the heathens and pagans in Paul's day. Where I live the majority freely admit on-line to being atheist and living a licentious lifestyle similar to that of Biblical times going back to the Old Testament. (Most are students which to my mind signifies declining standards and it troubles me greatly.) If once again our Christian ladies took to wearing hats they would be separating themselves from the world, they would bring glory to their husband by making an outward declaration of their stand for Christ and unmarried girls and women would send out the same message of holiness and purity as their married sisters in Christ. Also Christ's word which is for all time as Mr Gotagoodwife rightly says would be obeyed if people once again took to following the apostolic teaching on this issue.  

Although it is not compulsory and neither does it affect our salvation but if it brings the ladies closer to God and increases their sense of reverence then if it is done 'as unto the Lord' and with holiness of heart then I am sure they will be blessed and for that it has much to commend it. I don't think it should be an issue within the church and is best left to the individual but the important thing is that God's name is glorified and perhaps people ought to bring it before the Lord in prayer?  Smile

May God's blessing go with you.





That old story has gone around for so long people started writing it in commentaries. Can you please show any historical evidence that this was in fact the case?
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« Reply #292 on: November 01, 2009, 01:39:54 PM »
Quote from: chosenone on November 01, 2009, 01:35:04 PM
I actually believe that my husband is the head of the family, but I dont believe that God is asking me to cover my head, and my husband doesn't either.Neither he nor I have ever felt convicted of this and he has been a christian for 46 years and I have been one for 38 or so years, so I really think that if I were disobeying God He would havd told me by now..
If it really were that important to God He would have told the millions of Christians who dont cover their heads to do so.
I have never actually met a single man or women who feels that God wants us to do this in all the years that I have been a  christisn.
I think God is more concerned with how many people are going to hell for eternity.

Well, it seems all of the Crhistians for the last 1500 years didn't feel the same as you do.
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Justin Martyr

When, however, the prescript is laid down that “without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, “Unless one be born of water, he hath not life”

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« Reply #293 on: November 01, 2009, 01:48:10 PM »
Quote from: Butch5 on November 01, 2009, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: 0man on November 01, 2009, 01:25:48 AM
What was happening in Paul's day was that the prostitutes and pagan priestesses went round bare-headed (or shaven) and by wearing hats the Christian ladies separated themselves from the pagan customs and thus brought glory to their husbands by emphasising the purity of Christianity through the symbolism of the hat which like a court order has the power of a greater authority behind it.

Jesus did not teach the wearing of hats but he taught holiness and righteousness and although the wearing of hats is not commanded it was a response to conditions prevailing at the time and wearing a hat in those circumstances set Christians on the moral high ground which gave it its power and authority; for righteousness is blessed of the Lord. The elders approved the wearing of hats and as they were the messengers of God's word they were the angels who were above the congregation and thus above the hat but lower than Christ.

Paul's opening comment was about the authority of Christ who is head over all with man being created before women. It has little to do with family life and he went on to emphasise the equality of men and women in their home life together with the Lord when he said:

"Nor was man created for woman's sake, but woman was created for man's sake..............In our life in the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman was made from man, in the same way man is born of woman; and it is God who brings everything into existence.
(Both genders are subject to Christ.)

My own personal feelings are that if our Christian ladies would like to separate themselves from the world by the wearing of a hat then I am sure Paul and the church elders would approve, for sin remains unabated in the world today and in that respect conditions remain unchanged.

People today do not wear hats and neither did the heathens and pagans in Paul's day. Where I live the majority freely admit on-line to being atheist and living a licentious lifestyle similar to that of Biblical times going back to the Old Testament. (Most are students which to my mind signifies declining standards and it troubles me greatly.) If once again our Christian ladies took to wearing hats they would be separating themselves from the world, they would bring glory to their husband by making an outward declaration of their stand for Christ and unmarried girls and women would send out the same message of holiness and purity as their married sisters in Christ. Also Christ's word which is for all time as Mr Gotagoodwife rightly says would be obeyed if people once again took to following the apostolic teaching on this issue.  

Although it is not compulsory and neither does it affect our salvation but if it brings the ladies closer to God and increases their sense of reverence then if it is done 'as unto the Lord' and with holiness of heart then I am sure they will be blessed and for that it has much to commend it. I don't think it should be an issue within the church and is best left to the individual but the important thing is that God's name is glorified and perhaps people ought to bring it before the Lord in prayer?  Smile

May God's blessing go with you.





That old story has gone around for so long people started writing it in commentaries. Can you please show any historical evidence that this was in fact the case?

Which old story is that? I have been working on it for the last three of four days?
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« Reply #294 on: November 01, 2009, 01:59:01 PM »

Quote from: phoebe on October 31, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Butch5 on October 31, 2009, 09:24:38 PM
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Thirdly, no, it is not required that a woman cover her head 24/7. It is only when she comes into the church and is praying.


See?  It's flawed.  A woman can't "come into the church" because she IS the church.  We, those who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the Christ, regardless of gender, ARE "the church".  No coming in and going out.







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V---Nailed it.

However, I suspect that Butch makes a distinction between the members of the Body of Christ and the assembled Body of Christ.


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I do, however, it is a clear statement, it is denied at ones own peril. I believe the problem is this idea in the west, that wee can come to God on our terms instead of His. People think all I have to do is believe and that ends that. Well, again, people can believe that to their own peril. However, God is not mocked. Paul said that the things that happened to the Israelites happened to them as an example for us (Paul and his readers).


1 Corinthians 10:1-12 ( KJV )
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;  
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;  
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;  
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.  
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.  
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.  
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.  
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.  
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.  
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.  
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.  

The Scriptures are not silent on those who came to God on their own terms.

Cain came to God on his own terms,

Genesis 4:5-7 ( KJV )
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?  
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Nadab and Abihu came to the Lord on their own terms,

Leviticus 10:1-2 ( KJV )
And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.  
And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

Paul's statement is clear, and, his appeal is to creation, not some cultural issue. He's the woman should cover her head as a sign of submission to her head (Authority/husband/father) and the man must not cover his head as a sign of submission to his head (Authority/Christ).
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« Reply #295 on: November 01, 2009, 02:00:54 PM »
Quote from: 0man on November 01, 2009, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: Butch5 on November 01, 2009, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: 0man on November 01, 2009, 01:25:48 AM
What was happening in Paul's day was that the prostitutes and pagan priestesses went round bare-headed (or shaven) and by wearing hats the Christian ladies separated themselves from the pagan customs and thus brought glory to their husbands by emphasising the purity of Christianity through the symbolism of the hat which like a court order has the power of a greater authority behind it.

Jesus did not teach the wearing of hats but he taught holiness and righteousness and although the wearing of hats is not commanded it was a response to conditions prevailing at the time and wearing a hat in those circumstances set Christians on the moral high ground which gave it its power and authority; for righteousness is blessed of the Lord. The elders approved the wearing of hats and as they were the messengers of God's word they were the angels who were above the congregation and thus above the hat but lower than Christ.

Paul's opening comment was about the authority of Christ who is head over all with man being created before women. It has little to do with family life and he went on to emphasise the equality of men and women in their home life together with the Lord when he said:

"Nor was man created for woman's sake, but woman was created for man's sake..............In our life in the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman was made from man, in the same way man is born of woman; and it is God who brings everything into existence.
(Both genders are subject to Christ.)

My own personal feelings are that if our Christian ladies would like to separate themselves from the world by the wearing of a hat then I am sure Paul and the church elders would approve, for sin remains unabated in the world today and in that respect conditions remain unchanged.

People today do not wear hats and neither did the heathens and pagans in Paul's day. Where I live the majority freely admit on-line to being atheist and living a licentious lifestyle similar to that of Biblical times going back to the Old Testament. (Most are students which to my mind signifies declining standards and it troubles me greatly.) If once again our Christian ladies took to wearing hats they would be separating themselves from the world, they would bring glory to their husband by making an outward declaration of their stand for Christ and unmarried girls and women would send out the same message of holiness and purity as their married sisters in Christ. Also Christ's word which is for all time as Mr Gotagoodwife rightly says would be obeyed if people once again took to following the apostolic teaching on this issue. 

Although it is not compulsory and neither does it affect our salvation but if it brings the ladies closer to God and increases their sense of reverence then if it is done 'as unto the Lord' and with holiness of heart then I am sure they will be blessed and for that it has much to commend it. I don't think it should be an issue within the church and is best left to the individual but the important thing is that God's name is glorified and perhaps people ought to bring it before the Lord in prayer?  Smile

May God's blessing go with you.





That old story has gone around for so long people started writing it in commentaries. Can you please show any historical evidence that this was in fact the case?

Which old story is that? I have been working on it for the last three of four days?
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The idea that Paul was dealing with some cultural issue, ie. Paul said this because of the culture of his time.
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When, however, the prescript is laid down that “without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, “Unless one be born of water, he hath not life”

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« Reply #296 on: November 01, 2009, 02:04:55 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on November 01, 2009, 07:27:16 AM
Good piece, oman.

I think the wearing of headcoverings applied to all women in their culture who were not sexually loose, (whether as an occupation, a way of survival, or just an obsession,) in the same way women in the Middle East are required to have headcoverings today.  It doesn't/didn't represent Christ/Christianity at all, but simply male authority.

The wearing of a headcovering is not what  brings me closer to Christ.  He draws me closer to Him.  Any "sense of reverence" I have is because of the condition of my heart, not because of my headgear.  I separate myself by how I live my life in service to others.  Same for my husband.  Truly, what goes on my head is nothing.  It's what goes into it that counts.

If a woman chooses to wear one, that's fine, but there is no Scriptural mandate and should never be required by her church or her husband, nor should she require it of other women. 

It's a sign, all right, but I'm not sure it says what they want it to.
 



No Scriptural mandate??? What Scriptures do you read? Was Paul not an apostles of Jesus Christ?
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When, however, the prescript is laid down that “without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (chiefly on the ground of that declaration of the Lord, who says, “Unless one be born of water, he hath not life”

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« Reply #297 on: November 01, 2009, 02:14:53 PM »
Quote from: Butch5 on November 01, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: chosenone on November 01, 2009, 01:35:04 PM
I actually believe that my husband is the head of the family, but I dont believe that God is asking me to cover my head, and my husband doesn't either.Neither he nor I have ever felt convicted of this and he has been a christian for 46 years and I have been one for 38 or so years, so I really think that if I were disobeying God He would havd told me by now..
If it really were that important to God He would have told the millions of Christians who dont cover their heads to do so.
I have never actually met a single man or women who feels that God wants us to do this in all the years that I have been a  christisn.
I think God is more concerned with how many people are going to hell for eternity.

Well, it seems all of the Crhistians for the last 1500 years didn't feel the same as you do.
 

Its not just me it is 99% of Christians, or 100% of those that I have known in my life. I have no idea why it is of such enormous importance to a few people to warrant such an enormous thread. Goodness Jesus could come soon and we are  telling people that they have to wear hats. No wonder people dont want to come to church.We do need some common sense really..
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« Reply #298 on: November 01, 2009, 02:25:54 PM »
Butch. You asked this:

"The idea that Paul was dealing with some cultural issue, ie. Paul said this because of the culture of his time."


My reply is that Paul had been sent for and asked for advice because there was trouble in the church at Corinth concerning the life and culture and lifestyle of the people as you can see from these scriptures:

1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."

Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptised into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptise any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptised into my name.


5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife.

7:1 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

Here Paul was given more news about what had been happening
16:17 I was glad when Stephanas, Fortunatus and Achaicus arrived, because they have supplied what was lacking from you.
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« Reply #299 on: November 01, 2009, 03:10:50 PM »
Quote from: chosenone on November 01, 2009, 02:14:53 PM
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I actually believe that my husband is the head of the family, but I dont believe that God is asking me to cover my head, and my husband doesn't either.Neither he nor I have ever felt convicted of this and he has been a christian for 46 years and I have been one for 38 or so years, so I really think that if I were disobeying God He would havd told me by now..
If it really were that important to God He would have told the millions of Christians who dont cover their heads to do so.
I have never actually met a single man or women who feels that God wants us to do this in all the years that I have been a  christisn.
I think God is more concerned with how many people are going to hell for eternity.

Well, it seems all of the Crhistians for the last 1500 years didn't feel the same as you do.
 

Its not just me it is 99% of Christians, or 100% of those that I have known in my life. I have no idea why it is of such enormous importance to a few people to warrant such an enormous thread. Goodness Jesus could come soon and we are  telling people that they have to wear hats. No wonder people dont want to come to church.We do need some common sense really..

Seeker friendly churches. Yeah, that's the answer. Who needs doctrine anyway... ?
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