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« Reply #345 on: November 05, 2009, 08:23:10 AM »
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.


There are many churches in the UK that "do this".  Head covering is a distinctive of the Plymouth Brethren/Darbyites/Bible halls/chapels.  My wife has relatives in Dromore, County Down N. Ireland who are members of a Bible chapel there that most defininately "do this".  Is "doing this" important to me?  No.  But, to them it's so important that they won't even let other Christians participate in their breaking of bread unless they have letters of voucher from another assembly of the same stripe.

J. N. Darby was an early leading spokesman of this group.  Darby lived in England.  Darby was also the first to write about "pre-trib. rapture".

The Darbyite movement was in the UK the rough equivilent to the Stone-Campbell movement in the US.  Many similarities of ecclesiology, yet very dis-similar in soteriology.


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« Reply #346 on: November 05, 2009, 08:27:54 AM »
Quote from: Cally on November 04, 2009, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.

In step with everything scriptural, clearly, the spirit of the command is greater than the practice itself.

However, the Pharisees came up with customs that effectively NULLIFIED Mosaic (as Jesus' example with the issue of parents). What I'm saying is that new customs form regardless, and some of those customs become ironclad in their place. I'm used to churches where the congregation is on one side of the pulpit--usually higher so the "congregation" (even though the "pastor" or elder is part of the congregation) can see him, and a worship service does song and dance and then sits and listens. If anything, that's limiting the diversity of the Body.

And so, now we simply have a new tradition that is HARD to circumvent. What I'm saying is that if people NEED to have some kind of organizational practice, why not stick with the ones in the Word established by principle? You know, just to see what happens. We might learn something.

What's more important is definitely those disputing the very reasoning Paul puts forth for head coverings.


Cally,

I've asked before, but perhaps I missed your answer....

If you're married, does your wife cover her head in the assembly? 
Are you a member of an assembly that teaches and practices female head covering?


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"If God was interested in special buildings and professional mediators then the sacrifice of Christ and the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem seems oddly unwarranted."
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« Reply #347 on: November 05, 2009, 11:07:12 AM »
Quote from: Volkmar on November 05, 2009, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.


There are many churches in the UK that "do this".  Head covering is a distinctive of the Plymouth Brethren/Darbyites/Bible halls/chapels.  My wife has relatives in Dromore, County Down N. Ireland who are members of a Bible chapel there that most defininately "do this".  Is "doing this" important to me?  No.  But, to them it's so important that they won't even let other Christians participate in their breaking of bread unless they have letters of voucher from another assembly of the same stripe.

J. N. Darby was an early leading spokesman of this group.  Darby lived in England.  Darby was also the first to write about "pre-trib. rapture".

The Darbyite movement was in the UK the rough equivilent to the Stone-Campbell movement in the US.  Many similarities of ecclesiology, yet very dis-similar in soteriology.

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Pretty good overview of where our assembly stands, however we do not ask for a Letter of Introduction. (Although we do make inquiry of visitors as to whether they know the Lord should they arrive during the Lord's Supper, and if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)

As far as women covering - it is a matter of individual conscience.
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« Reply #348 on: November 05, 2009, 11:58:32 AM »
Quote from: gotagoodwife on November 05, 2009, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: Volkmar on November 05, 2009, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.


There are many churches in the UK that "do this".  Head covering is a distinctive of the Plymouth Brethren/Darbyites/Bible halls/chapels.  My wife has relatives in Dromore, County Down N. Ireland who are members of a Bible chapel there that most defininately "do this".  Is "doing this" important to me?  No.  But, to them it's so important that they won't even let other Christians participate in their breaking of bread unless they have letters of voucher from another assembly of the same stripe.

J. N. Darby was an early leading spokesman of this group.  Darby lived in England.  Darby was also the first to write about "pre-trib. rapture".

The Darbyite movement was in the UK the rough equivilent to the Stone-Campbell movement in the US.  Many similarities of ecclesiology, yet very dis-similar in soteriology.

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Pretty good overview of where our assembly stands, however we do not ask for a Letter of Introduction. (Although we do make inquiry of visitors as to whether they know the Lord should they arrive during the Lord's Supper, and if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)

As far as women covering - it is a matter of individual conscience.


Those that require a letter of introduction are referred to as "exclusive assemblies".

There are also numerous Bible chapels in Canada, especially Ontario.  When head covering is no longer taught as a distinctive, and when a "pastor" is hired, then they walk and talk much like any other Evangelical Christians.

Blessings to you, Bro.,

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« Reply #349 on: November 06, 2009, 05:22:34 AM »
Quote from: Volkmar on November 05, 2009, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: Cally on November 04, 2009, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.

In step with everything scriptural, clearly, the spirit of the command is greater than the practice itself.

However, the Pharisees came up with customs that effectively NULLIFIED Mosaic (as Jesus' example with the issue of parents). What I'm saying is that new customs form regardless, and some of those customs become ironclad in their place. I'm used to churches where the congregation is on one side of the pulpit--usually higher so the "congregation" (even though the "pastor" or elder is part of the congregation) can see him, and a worship service does song and dance and then sits and listens. If anything, that's limiting the diversity of the Body.

And so, now we simply have a new tradition that is HARD to circumvent. What I'm saying is that if people NEED to have some kind of organizational practice, why not stick with the ones in the Word established by principle? You know, just to see what happens. We might learn something.

What's more important is definitely those disputing the very reasoning Paul puts forth for head coverings.


Cally,

I've asked before, but perhaps I missed your answer....

If you're married, does your wife cover her head in the assembly?  
Are you a member of an assembly that teaches and practices female head covering?


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Not married. I didn't answer the rest of your question previously because I thought it was contingent on that fact.

No I don't go to an assembly that does. I haven't been very committed (i.e. an "official member") of a church in a while, but I've mostly visited churches that were similar to my upbringing, and they do not teach head coverings. I might be inclined to give such a place a look, if only because it demonstrates that they are not vulnerable to worldly pressures (regardless of what stance you take on this particular issue).
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« Reply #350 on: November 06, 2009, 05:32:52 AM »
Quote from: Volkmar on November 05, 2009, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.


There are many churches in the UK that "do this".  Head covering is a distinctive of the Plymouth Brethren/Darbyites/Bible halls/chapels.  My wife has relatives in Dromore, County Down N. Ireland who are members of a Bible chapel there that most defininately "do this".  Is "doing this" important to me?  No.  But, to them it's so important that they won't even let other Christians participate in their breaking of bread unless they have letters of voucher from another assembly of the same stripe.

J. N. Darby was an early leading spokesman of this group.  Darby lived in England.  Darby was also the first to write about "pre-trib. rapture".

The Darbyite movement was in the UK the rough equivilent to the Stone-Campbell movement in the US.  Many similarities of ecclesiology, yet very dis-similar in soteriology.


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  They are in the tiny minority in the uK.
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« Reply #351 on: November 07, 2009, 04:07:43 PM »
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Pretty good overview of where our assembly stands, however we do not ask for a Letter of Introduction. (Although we do make inquiry of visitors as to whether they know the Lord should they arrive during the Lord's Supper, and if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)

As far as women covering - it is a matter of individual conscience.


Mr. Got - You and I see the Table very differently, as well.  I don't believe Jesus would exclude anyone from His Table in His House.  He invites ALL to come, the famishing, the weary, the seeking, does He not?
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« Reply #352 on: November 07, 2009, 04:28:06 PM »
Quote from: gotagoodwife on November 05, 2009, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: Volkmar on November 05, 2009, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: chosenone on November 04, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Wow 334 posts on something that REALLY isnt important in the grand scheme of things. I do think we should be concerned wiht things that actually make a difference.
If anyone wants to cover their head then do so, and go somewhere where they do this(Not sure there is a single church in the uK that does though)and if you dont think it is important and know that God blesses you anyway then dont.


There are many churches in the UK that "do this".  Head covering is a distinctive of the Plymouth Brethren/Darbyites/Bible halls/chapels.  My wife has relatives in Dromore, County Down N. Ireland who are members of a Bible chapel there that most defininately "do this".  Is "doing this" important to me?  No.  But, to them it's so important that they won't even let other Christians participate in their breaking of bread unless they have letters of voucher from another assembly of the same stripe.

J. N. Darby was an early leading spokesman of this group.  Darby lived in England.  Darby was also the first to write about "pre-trib. rapture".

The Darbyite movement was in the UK the rough equivilent to the Stone-Campbell movement in the US.  Many similarities of ecclesiology, yet very dis-similar in soteriology.

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Pretty good overview of where our assembly stands, however we do not ask for a Letter of Introduction. (Although we do make inquiry of visitors as to whether they know the Lord should they arrive during the Lord's Supper, and if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)

As far as women covering - it is a matter of individual conscience.


 Yes of course it IS a a matter of individual conscience. If a lady came to our church with a head covering then I have no problems with that, but it has never happened in any church that I have ever been to. My conscience tells me that I dont need to and that God loves me anyway and blesses me anyway.
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« Reply #353 on: November 07, 2009, 05:13:12 PM »
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nd if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)
Isnt it funny how the whole purpose of being a christian is to save the lost, but when the ywalk into mans church, they are not allowed to participate, division, the devil loves it. Jesus never thought himself to be above anyone, He washed the smelly feet of His disciples, yet we wont even let not so nicely dressed people in the church. When will we stop making laws like the pharrisees and start just loving everyone, no matter who they are, Just like Jesus.

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« Reply #354 on: November 07, 2009, 05:45:45 PM »
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nd if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)
Isnt it funny how the whole purpose of being a christian is to save the lost, but when the ywalk into mans church, they are not allowed to participate, division, the devil loves it. Jesus never thought himself to be above anyone, He washed the smelly feet of His disciples, yet we wont even let not so nicely dressed people in the church. When will we stop making laws like the pharrisees and start just loving everyone, no matter who they are, Just like Jesus.

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You think an unbeliever should take communion with the believers?
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« Reply #355 on: November 07, 2009, 08:18:50 PM »
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nd if they are unbelievers, we advise them that it is a service for believers only. However they are welcome to stay and watch)
Isnt it funny how the whole purpose of being a christian is to save the lost, but when the ywalk into mans church, they are not allowed to participate, division, the devil loves it. Jesus never thought himself to be above anyone, He washed the smelly feet of His disciples, yet we wont even let not so nicely dressed people in the church. When will we stop making laws like the pharrisees and start just loving everyone, no matter who they are, Just like Jesus.

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You think an unbeliever should take communion with the believers?

Wrong question.

I don't think anyone would bother gathering with believers if they didn't have some belief.   So, in that context, there would not be any unbelievers at His Table.

Do you think Jesus would want us to be the judge and exclude those whom He has called to His Table?   Scratching head....a little confused.
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« Reply #356 on: November 07, 2009, 08:24:57 PM »
Do you think Jesus would want us to be the judge and exclude those whom He has called to His Table?   

I lower my head in shame and must confess that no Jesus told me to examine myself to see if I was worthy of his table he did not instruct me to worry about others worthiness it is their place to do their own examination.
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« Reply #357 on: November 07, 2009, 09:26:17 PM »
Morphing into a Lord's Supper thread??

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Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. 32When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.


What is "an unworthy manner", and for what is a man "to examine himself" all 'bout??  I think the context is being missed in some of the conversation....


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« Reply #358 on: November 07, 2009, 09:29:35 PM »
If most of them didn't have $50 of make up and plucking and perms on, they would think that they should because they'd be too ashamed to be so "ugly" in public.
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« Reply #359 on: November 07, 2009, 09:46:40 PM »
Strange that Jesus usualy supped with unbelievers and sinners and not the pharrisees and self rightous.  Where do you fit.

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