[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (patriciaredstone @ April 02 2002,7:23)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Booty << Bob, sorry but I do not agree with you. I believe part of our problem and part of Satans victory is the time we spend weeping. >>>
Booty, I'm not sure if I am correct, but it appears to me that you are saying that weeping is evil or sinful or at least contrary to God. I do not agree with this (if that is what you were saying) and I think the Bible is clear that God weeps and laments and grieves over sin. Do you think his people should not weep with Him?
Booty << The Lord never promised us a heaven here on earth, But He did promise us an eternity in Heaven with Him.
We all receive our blows in His name. We all have our horror stories. But why dwell in the horror when His love abounds in our lives? >>
I agree that God's love abounds, Booty. But "there is no light without some darkness in it, there is no joy without some pain" St John of the Cross. We cannot avoid or even really acknowledge one without the other. This is the paradox of the Christian life that we have been trying to discuss.
Booty << Accept the blows with the glory of having received them in His name and move on! >>
Perhaps it is a philosophical difference, Booty, but I respectfully dissagree that I should "accept" blows. I do not believe that Jesus taught us that we should be passive to abuse. His surrender to punishment, abuse and the mortification of the Body was to redeem us from ourselves. To help us to see our own ugliness and sin. Through Christ our eyes are opened to the ugliness of the human condition and our response to that new sight should not be to close our eyes. It should be action, action that heals.
Booty << There is too much to be done to spend time in misery. >>
Booty, do you think I am miserable? or in "misery"? If so, what have I said to give you this impression? Most of my friends think of me as a pretty jolly kind of person
:D -- a little deep maybe -- but jolly :p[/quote]
I said "the time we spend weeping". The greater the time, the greater the victory for Satan. And I do not mean weeping is a sin. But it is a victory for Satan, as the time we lose in weeping, is time we could spend witnessing for our Lord.
Yes and there is no cold without hot nor in without out nor up without down, (Philosophy was a favorite subject of mine as well.), but what is important is the time we spend down versus the time we spend up.
It certainly is a philosphical difference and I would be quite respectful in your disagreement. It is not I with whom you disagree.
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Patricia from the first post of yours that I read I have seen pain so deep it forces me to shudder. Beloved sister I wish I could take this pain from you. I can not. He can. I have been praying steadily that He will as I have seen in you a deep intellect, considerable wisdom and a profound knowledge of the Word.
I just finished a book that I would love to share with you with your insights and your historical knowledge, but Patricia you are continually recounting one horror tale after another. Yes I know you have had differences with the leadership of at least one congregation over a pedophile, but Patricia there is so much more to God's church and God's love. Not all leaderships are like the one or ones you have told us of. Some leaderships are so caring and grace filled they put you in awe of His Spirit in action.
Dios te bendiga,