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Sterilize Your Conscience
« on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 21:37:24 »
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  Gen 3:22 . . And Jehovah God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Actually, the Serpent had predicted that very thing.

  Gen 3:5 . . God knows that when you eat [from the tree in the midst of the garden] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

The "knowing" spoken of here is an intuitive kind of knowing rather than an instructed knowing. In other words: prior to tasting the forbidden fruit, neither Adam nor his wife had a conscience; which is at least part of the reason why the pre-fruit days in the Garden are called the era of innocence.

Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from God, it was obtained from the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

As such, humanity's sense of right and wrong is unreliable, Due to its satanic nature rather than divine, the human moral compass easily deviates from true north by means of emotional, social, cultural, and ethnical influences. We rationalize a lot too.

Although Christians are stuck with an unholy moral compass while in this life, it's possible to at least sterilize it. According to Heb 9:1-14, Christ's blood does this for us; and we never need to get our conscience sterilized ever again, i.e. the one time is good for all time.


NOTE: Sterilization was part of the once-a-year Yom Kippur ritual; but as good as that sterilization was, it was only effective for that one event. The people had to undergo sterilization all over again the following year.
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Re: Sterilize Your Conscience
« Reply #1 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 04:08:51 »
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  Gen 3:22 . . And Jehovah God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Actually, the Serpent had predicted that very thing.

  Gen 3:5 . . God knows that when you eat [from the tree in the midst of the garden] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

The "knowing" spoken of here is an intuitive kind of knowing rather than an instructed knowing. In other words: prior to tasting the forbidden fruit, neither Adam nor his wife had a conscience; which is at least part of the reason why the pre-fruit days in the Garden are called the era of innocence.

Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from God, it was obtained from the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

As such, humanity's sense of right and wrong is unreliable, Due to its satanic nature rather than divine, the human moral compass easily deviates from true north by means of emotional, social, cultural, and ethnical influences. We rationalize a lot too.

Although humans are stuck with their unholy moral compass, it's possible to at least sterilize it; and according to Heb 9:1-14, Christ's blood does this for us once for all time; we never need to get our conscience sterilized ever again, i.e. the one time is good for all time.
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Very good thoughts for one to ponder. RB

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Re: Sterilize Your Conscience
« Reply #2 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 05:59:52 »
Very good thoughts for one to ponder. RB
I agree.

But I am left to wonder, if that be true, what is meant by:

1 Timothy 4:2
by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

Titus 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

To me, it sounds like Paul is taking the conscience as something from God that got messed up in the fall.

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Re: Sterilize Your Conscience
« Reply #3 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:01:26 »
Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from God, it was obtained from the Serpent .....
That is another of your really weird conjectures.  There is nothing in Genesis that says or even suggests that the knowledge of good and evil was from Satan.  God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden.  And He knew absolutely that Adam and Eve would disobey Him and eat of the fruit of it.  So that even though he commanded them not to eat of it, He knew without question that they would disobey and eat of it.  It was in a very real sense an integral feature of creation, God's creation, even if it was Satan that convinced them to eat the fruit in disobedience to God.
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.....the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)
It is power of spiritual death, not physical death, which is in Satan's influence. 

Among other things, it is specifically taught that Jesus came to deal with the devil. First John 3:8 says, “The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.” Among Satan’s works are falsehood and [spiritual] death (John 8:44; Heb 2:14), but Jesus came “to testify to the truth” (John 18:37; see John 8:31-47). He has already “abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” (2 Tim 1:10).  Satan's power, his works, over spiritual death comes by way of deceit, through mental influence, not by physical control. That was demonstrated by Satan's interaction with Adam and Eve and is representative of his interaction with all humanity. It is important to recognize that Jesus was successful in His purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus came not only to destroy Satan’s works but to “destroy” Satan himself. Hebrews 2:14 clearly states that Jesus came the first time “so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil”. The word rendered “destroy” (katargeo) does not necessarily mean “to annihilate, to abolish completely.” Obviously Jesus did not do this to Satan at his first coming. But the word also can mean “to set aside, to make ineffective, to nullify, to render powerless.” This is the better understanding here, as in the NASB: Christ came to “render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil.” Either way this is very strong language. John says Jesus came specifically to destroy the devil’s works; Hebrews says he came to render the devil powerless. We must ask, if this is why Jesus came, did he actually accomplish these things or did he fail? Surely it would be blasphemous to say the latter. Therefore we conclude that Jesus destroyed Satan’s works and rendered him powerless when he came the first time.

The question is whether this was actually a result of Christ’s first coming, and the answer is yes. Satan’s main activity is deception. John 8:44 says, “he is a liar and the father of lies.” Revelation 12:9 describes him, prior to his defeat at Christ’s first coming, as the one “who deceives the whole world.” He is the source of lies, false teachings, false religions, and all idolatry. With the exception of Israel, prior to Christ’s first coming the entire world—all nations as nations—was totally engulfed in Satan’s lies, languishing in darkness (see Rom 1:18-32). But what happened when Christ came? He accomplished the works of redemption, thus defeating the devil and his hosts. The gospel—the good news about the saving power of Christ—is the gospel truth that dispels Satan’s lies and brings light and life to all the world (2 Tim 1:10).
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« Reply #4 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 07:24:03 »
While I may not have agreed with all the OP said, ( especially so with man's conscience  ) NyawehNyoh overall thoughts were worth considering. I have not given his post a lot of consideration but will later today if time permits. RB

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Re: Sterilize Your Conscience
« Reply #5 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 10:44:42 »
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There is nothing in Genesis that says or even suggests that the knowledge of good and evil was from Satan.

I truly admire the Serpent's covert skills. My hat's off to him. He is really good at covering his tracks and shifting blame away from himself. The information that you claim doesn't exist is right there in Genesis in black and white; but your mind has been trained to miss it.
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Re: Sterilize Your Conscience
« Reply #6 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 10:46:17 »
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In its regenerated condition per John 3:3-8, the conscience requires nurturing.

Rom 12:2 . . Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is-- His good, pleasing and perfect will.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat Dec 05, 2020 - 04:49:51 »
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I truly admire the Serpent's covert skills. My hat's off to him. He is really good at covering his tracks and shifting blame away from himself. The information that you claim doesn't exist is right there in Genesis in black and white; but your mind has been trained to miss it.
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And your mind has been trained to admire Satan.  'Nough said.

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Dec 05, 2020 - 18:13:11 »
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It's believed by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so-called fallen nature is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after Eve was born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to her by means of procreation.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to do with the change that took place in the first couple's moral perception; but now I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it, and when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went about in the buff as usual; Eve's self awareness was unchanged, and her feelings about the human body remained the same. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that she began to think that full frontal nudity is indecent; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out Adam, and ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives: either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

(The death spoken of in Heb 2:14 is likely spiritual death rather than biological death. Well, our conscience isn't biological, it's psychological, i.e. spiritual.)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it takes effect. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both immediately set to work with the fig leaves.


FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his corrupting work on people. . . in the womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)
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