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The Ascension Accounts of Elijah & Jesus
« on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 11:47:03 »
REFORMATION RUMBLINGS
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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The Ascension Accounts of
Elijah & Jesus

    Most of us make an attempt to reconcile biblical statements that seem to collide. It is not unusual to find quite a few accounts that, on the surface, appear to clash or “bump into each other.” Such is the case of Elijah and Jesus. Did Elijah ascend to heaven before Jesus? Note the passages I’m referring to:

  “And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” [2 Kings 2:11].

   “No one has ascended into heaven except Him who descended from heaven, the Son of Man” [John 3:13].

    Jesus said to Mary Magdalene after He resurrected, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God’ ” [John 20:17]
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    Suffice it to say there appears to be a discord between the author of 2 Kings and John, the author of the Gospel of John. The diverse Schools of Thought on this apparent lack of concord are many. That Elijah was “taken up to heaven” is indisputable. That Jesus ascended to His Father a few days after His resurrection is obvious and unquestionable.
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    School of Thought #1: No one has been resurrected and ascended to the Father except Jesus. This School of Thought is based on John 3:13. John wrote his book a few years after Jesus resurrected. Consequently, Jesus was and is the only one to ascend to His Father following a resurrection. Elijah did not die. Therefore, he did not experience a resurrection from the dead.
 
    School of Thought #2 Elijah indeed went to heaven. But as “heaven” is composed of many “mansions” or celestial habitats, Elijah  is in one of those paradisiacal provinces—not his physical flesh and bones, but his spirit, the real Elijah.  There are different domains in God’s Heaven or celestial realm, including Paradise. Jesus and the repentant thief were taken to Paradise, a section of God’s “Heaven.” Having said that, it might be possible that Elijah was translated to one of God’s many heavenly domains, but not Heaven itself.
 
    School of Thought #3: Elijah is in Hades, the unseen abode of departed spirits, but in the section called “Paradise,” where Jesus and the converted thief went at physical death. When the general resurrection occurs at the second and final advent of our Lord, Elijah’s physical remains will be resurrected and his spirit will reunite with his transformed glorious body [Phil. 3:20]. He will then be taken to God’s eternal dominion to spend eternity with Him, His holy angels, and all of the saints who have left Planet Earth since the beginning of the human family.
 
   School of Thought #4: All departed godly spirits will remain in some part of heaven’s vast celestial environment until the resurrection, at which time they will be reunited with their glorified bodies and spend eternity with God in Heaven itself.
 
   School of Thought #5: Prior to Jesus’ day on earth, both believers and unbelievers went to the place of the dead in the earth called Sheol in Hebrew and Hades in Greek. Hades was a holding place for the spirits of the dead. Believers were in the Paradise part of Sheol called “Abraham’s Bosom.” Jesus went to Paradise or “Abraham’s Bosom” with the repentant criminal.
 
    When Jesus ascended into heaven He brought the spirits of believers out of “Abraham’s Bosom” and took them with him. “He led a host of captives” to the dwelling place of God [Eph. 4:8]. Believers of this age will get their resurrected glorified bodies at the Rapture [1 Thess. 4:13-18; Phil. 3:21], and saints under the old age will get theirs after the future Tribulation Period [Daniel 12:1-2; Rev. 20:4]. Unbelievers of every age will be resurrected after the 1,000-year reign of Christ on the earth, will stand in Judgment and then be cast into the Lake of Fire and be tormented endlessly
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   There we have it. Some biblical “discrepancies” are caused because of faulty translations. But 2 Kings 2:11 and John 3:13 & 20:17 do not appear to be among that group.
 
    You may be wondering which School of Thought I endorse or reject. I find some truth in all of them, but I’m leaning more in favor of #2 & #4. I cannot accept a big portion of the last paragraph of #5. I have studied and reviewed those “end-time” issues for decades, yet I find myself and the scriptures in conflict with them. I have never been able to “buy into” that doctrinal agenda.

    As to your persuasion on which School of Thought comfortably fits into your doctrinal mindset, you are on your own!
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    Endnote“Revelation is what God said. Interpretation is what we think He meant by what he said.”—W. Carl Ketcherside.   
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« Reply #1 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 13:11:18 »
“No one has ascended into heaven except Him who descended from heaven, the Son of Man” [John 3:13].

This is the spiritual heaven here on earth, born again. The other two passages are literal, physical.

"If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?  -Jhn. 3:12

And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. -Jhn. 8:23

“They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.  -Jhn. 17:16

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 13:34:47 »

BTR:

   We'll disagree on your remark above. You seem to have taken a literal statement and changed it into a figurative affirmation.

But thanks, anyway,

Buff

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 14:52:43 »
I try not to trample on reformer's grounds.

2Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

heaven g8064.  shamayim, shaw-mah´-yim; dual of an unused singular  shameh, shaw-meh´; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):—air, x astrologer, heaven(-s).

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
     but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
2Pet. 3:7 But the heavens and the earth,
        which are now, by the same word are kept in store,
        reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This last Creation or Heaven and Earth:

g3772. oujrano/ß ouranos, oo-ran-os´; perhaps from the same as 3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity): — air, heaven(-ly), sky.

Col. 1:12  Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

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« Reply #4 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 18:34:37 »
Kenneth:

   Thanks for your input. You said, "I try not to trample on reformer's grounds." As I've said before, you are welcome to "trample on my ground" if what you post is comprehensible and easy to consume and decipher.

   But when you throw in a bunch of stuff that is almost impossible for the average student to ascertain where you're coming from, you will likely get a little flak. If not from others, at least from me.

   Much of what you posted above is difficult for me to grasp. Yet I invite you to continue posting. But try to make what you post understandable for all of us.

   Now a few questions: Which one of the five Schools of Thought in my column do you agree or partly agree with? Which one are you leaning toward? Do you disagree with all of them? If yes, why?

   I feel these questions will assist you in addresses the contents of what I wrote as opposed to wandering here and there.

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« Reply #5 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 19:49:54 »
I gave you two examples of HEAVEN to show that BTR is correct that the heaven and earth that is created now is the Spiritual kingdom.

Matt. 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



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« Reply #6 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 20:35:23 »
There is no biblical “discrepancies” between the three passages caused by faulty translations.
It is the faulty idea that John 3:13 is referencing heaven in outer space, or in the sweet by and by.
and probably mixed with the idea that Jesus came to earth from there.


From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” -Matt. 4:17



 
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« Reply #7 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 21:28:01 »
 BTR“There is no biblical ‘discrepancies’ between the three passages caused by faulty translations.

   It is the faulty idea that John 3:13 is referencing heaven in outer space, or in the sweet by and by, and probably mixed with the idea that Jesus came to earth from there."

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   BUFF— BTR, I did not indicate there are discrepancies between the passages alluded to. In fact, I indicated otherwise.

   I think you have lost me in regards to John 3:13, where our Lord used “heaven” twice. So tell me, do you believe there’s a heaven? I’m not referring to “outer space.” I’m referencing a celestial abode, as opposed to a terrestrial abode [earth].

   Since you understand John 3:13 differently from me, would you be kind enough to give me a paraphrase quote of the passage? I might then better understand where you’re coming from and where you’re going.

Thank you kindly,

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 21:30:03 »
KENNETH:

   I compliment you on the format of your reply. But please answer the questions I submitted in my first response. That in itself would help me know where you stand.

Thanks,

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 22:24:06 »
BTR“There is no biblical ‘discrepancies’ between the three passages caused by faulty translations.

   It is the faulty idea that John 3:13 is referencing heaven in outer space, or in the sweet by and by, and probably mixed with the idea that Jesus came to earth from there."

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   BUFF— BTR, I did not indicate there are discrepancies between the passages alluded to. In fact, I indicated otherwise.

   I think you have lost me in regards to John 3:13, where our Lord used “heaven” twice. So tell me, do you believe there’s a heaven? I’m not referring to “outer space.” I’m referencing a celestial abode, as opposed to a terrestrial abode [earth].

   Since you understand John 3:13 differently from me, would you be kind enough to give me a paraphrase quote of the passage? I might then better understand where you’re coming from and where you’re going.

Thank you kindly,

Buff

Yes I believe there is a heaven. That passage is not referring to the "celestial abode". In context it is referring to the heaven that is in us, the kingdom of heaven that we are translated into when we are born again.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

paraphrase; At this point in time no one has been born again, except me.

See John 3:1-13

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Apr 08, 2018 - 22:56:56 »

BTR:

   Apparently, I've been lost in the woods, for your interpretation is brand new to me. Yet it is only an interpretation, not a revelation.

   “Revelation is what God said. Interpretation is what we think He meant by what he said.”—W. Carl Ketcherside.

   Interpretations can be faulty, whether yours or mine. A specific revelation, as spoken by our Lord in John 3:13, is not faulty. We can put a faulty ring to it, but that does not change the substance or essence of it. 

   Good to chat with you about the interpretations of revelations!

Buff
 

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Apr 09, 2018 - 00:21:42 »
Reformer  -  I'm not sure what your position is on the use of the Septuagint, but in this story of Elijah leaving the earth by a whirlwind, the wording in the LXX is a bit different, and indicates that Elijah did NOT ascend into the spiritual realm of God's heaven, but only into the heaven of the earth's atmosphere.

Here it is in the LXX (IV Kings 2:1) "And it came to pass, when the Lord was going to take Eliu with a whirlwind AS IT WERE into heaven, that Eliu and Elisaie went out of Galgala."  Again, in IV Kings 2:11, (LXX) it says the same thing: "And it came to pass as they were going, they went on talking; and behold, a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and it separated between them both; and Eliu was taken up in a whirlwind AS IT WERE into heaven."  So it only APPEARED as if Elijah's ascent in the whirlwind was taking him into heaven, when in reality he was being transported through the sky to another earthly location. 

The conditions of this transport are remarkably similar in language to Ezekiel's experience in Ezekiel 1:4 and 3:12-14.  There, it speaks of a whirlwind that comes out of the north, and says that "...the spirit lifted me up, and took me away..."  Ezekiel never ascended bodily into God's presence in order to receive those visions.  Elijah's transport could have been of the same nature.

There are those who prove that Elijah was actually transported to another location on earth in the whirlwind by pointing to II Chronicles 21:12-15.  In that text, Elijah wrote a letter to King Jehoram of Judah, reproving the king for his past evil actions and predicting the manner of his death.  This letter was written some 10 years or so after Elijah's leaving earth by the whirlwind, which shows that he was transported elsewhere on earth where neither Elisha nor the searching prophets could find him.

We are never told by scripture that Elijah was TRANSLATED (like Enoch, the solitary example of this) so that he would not see death, so the verse stipulating that it is appointed unto men once to die also applied to Elijah.  He also died once, as all men have done, and must do.

It was an absolute necessity that Christ Jesus be the "Firstborn": the first resurrected one born of a woman to ascend to heaven and stand before God.  As the "First-born", Christ Jesus "opened the matrix" for the rest of the children of faith to follow later on.  That is why Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:13 that "NO MAN HATH ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN but He that came down from heaven..."  If anyone HAD been able to enter heaven before Christ, then Jesus would not have been able to claim the unprecedented title of the "First-born" and the "First-begotten from among the dead".   

The John 3:13 text tells us exactly which "heaven" is under consideration.  Contrary to the heaven mentioned in the II Kings 2 account about Elijah, the John 3:13 text refers to the particular heaven of God's presence which the second person of the Trinity had come from.  I believe Paul called it "the THIRD heaven"?  (Not to be confused with the heaven of the earth's atmosphere, or the star-studded heaven of the cosmos.)

Lest anyone think that just one verse in John 3:13 is not enough proof against Elijah actually entering heaven, we also have another scripture prohibiting access for resurrected humans to the heaven of God's presence until a very specific point in time.  That particular point in time is mentioned in Revelation 15:8; just after the 7 angels are given the 7 golden vials of God's wrath.  "And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from His power; AND NO MAN WAS ABLE TO ENTER INTO THE TEMPLE" (in heaven) "TILL THE SEVEN PLAGUES OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WERE FULFILLED."

This tells us that (just as Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:13 that there had been no man that had ascended to God's heaven until then), this was also true for a length of time following Christ's ascension.  These 7 vials of wrath all had to be fulfilled before resurrected men could enter God's heavenly temple. 

Reformer, this is where you and I would part company, because I see scripture teaching that all these 7 vials of God's vengeance have already been poured out during the Great Tribulation years of the AD 70 era.  The day when resurrected, incorruptible human forms of the saints were finally able to ascend into heaven and enter God's heavenly temple came on Pentecost day of AD 70; i.e., the 1,335th day of Daniel 12:12-13, when Daniel and the rest of the patriarchs, prophets, and the children of faith came from the east, west, north, and south and sat down in the kingdom of God (Luke 13:28-29). 

Elijah had to wait until then before he could enter the heaven of God's presence in his physically-resurrected body, but I'm certain he was okay with that.  He was surely one of that list of prophets who all "died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off..."  (Heb. 11:13).   God wanted to "provide some better thing" for Elijah, so that he would have lots of good company when he was "made perfect" along with the rest of the saints when Christ came for the second time at the close of that Old Covenant Age.


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« Reply #12 on: Mon Apr 09, 2018 - 13:36:32 »
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     I have reviewed your script [above] and, of course, it is quite interesting. Only recently I was exposed to this viewpoint of Elijah, and I’m still in the process of researching it.

    I have before me Adam Clarke’s Commentary on II Chronicles 21:12 [page 674]. If you are not familiar with Clarke, he was a Hebrew and Greek scholar and wrote his Commentaries in about 1813. I do no agree with all of his interpretations, but I’m inclined to accept his comments on the passage under study.

   He listed most of the viewpoints relative to this passage, including yours, but then concludes, “These are all conjectures; and I could add another to their number, but still we would be where we are.”

   Clarke then added a “conjecture” of his own. “It is certainly a possible case that this writing might have been a prediction of Jehoram’s impiety and miserable death, delivered in the time of the prophet, and which was laid before the wicked king for the first time; and by it the prophet [Elijah], though not among mortals, still continued to speak.” Clarke concluded,  “I can see no solid reason against this opinion.”

   Such, too, is my opinion. Our diverse viewpoints are still conjectures in that none of us possess sufficient evidence to establish them. You wrote, “Elijah had to wait until then before he could enter the heaven of God’s presence in his physically-resurrected body, but I’m certain he was okay with that.”

   This statement seems to coincide with what I noted in my column, namely that Elijah is somewhere in one of God’s celestial provinces awaiting the time of the general resurrection, at which time his spirit will reunite with his transformed, glorified body.

   As to the view that Elijah was “relocated” on earth to an undisclosed place won’t float. For if he had, there would have been evidence to that effect—either directly or indirectly.

   Therefore, my position that Elijah is currently “stationed” somewhere in God’s vast celestial domain has not been disturbed to the point of my adopting another position. Yet my eyes and heart are always open to additional light.

Blessings,

Buff 
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« Reply #13 on: Tue Apr 10, 2018 - 17:42:06 »
Reformer  - 

The "direct evidence" that you believe to be missing about Elijah's relocation by the whirlwind to another place on earth IS the II Chronicles 21:12-15 text about Elijah sending the letter to King Jehoram.   If this letter spoke of PAST ACTIONS of King Jehoram, then it was not merely a prophetic letter telling of future events written by Elijah sometime BEFORE he was separated from Elisha, as Adam Clarke is proposing in his commentary.   Elijah's letter had to be written AFTER King Jehoram had already done those wicked actions.   It was not simply a prediction that he would eventually commit those wicked actions.  As Elijah wrote the letter, Jehoram had already killed his brethren, and had already led the children of Judah and Jerusalem into evil, idolatrous practices such as Ahab's.  Those evil actions of King Jehoram were done AFTER Elijah's separation from Elisha by the whirlwind.

The fact that Elijah knew about those PAST wicked actions of the king shows to us that he was still on the earth at the time he was writing the letter.  He never did enter God's presence in heaven by means of the whirlwind.  He only ascended into the heaven of the earth's atmosphere, and was taken to another place on the earth remote from Elisha, but still near enough to hear about the wicked actions of King Jehoram being committed.  Near enough to be able to send a written letter to the King and have it be received in a timely manner.

Elijah died a natural death, as all men (except Enoch) are appointed to do once.  His spirit then waited in company with the spirits of all other righteous saints until the resurrection in AD 70 on Pentecost day.  The only other possible destiny for Elijah was if he happened to be one of those 144,000 Jewish saints chosen to be resurrected as the "Firstfruits" along with Christ in Matthew 27:52-53.  This may well have been what happened, since on the Mount of Transfiguration, the spirit of Elijah appeared with Moses and was talking with Jesus about His death which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.  If this was the case for Elijah, then he was given his incorruptible, resurrected body in AD 33.  (After all, PROPHETS were one of the gifts given to men by the risen Christ - Ephesians 4:8-11).  Elijah would have waited on earth in that body with the rest of the 144,000 members of the tribes, until he finally joined all the resurrected saints raptured to heaven on Pentecost day in AD 70.  In either case, Elijah is now no longer in a suspended state; he has received the full reward of his inheritance, and is currently in God's presence.     

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Ummmm.... Enoch!

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Apr 10, 2018 - 18:32:10 »

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    I hear you, and you could very possibly have a valid point regarding Elijah being alive on earth after he was “taken up to heaven.”

  But if your conjecture and understanding of the passage under study is correct, it seems quite feasible that someone during Elijah’s “extra time” on earth would have seen him, and someone else would have recorded it and his extra earthly activities.

  But no! That info isn’t there. Your scenario is similar to the claim that Jesus made His final, personal advent in A.D. 70, yet no report by any “Church Father” or anyone else recorded the event—not even Josephus who lived and recorded the Roman/Jewish War.

   Consequently, I’m convinced your viewpoint about Elijah is questionable and lacks sufficient evidence. But I’ll keep reviewing this strange teaching.

   And by the way, please go to my feature on the 70 A.D. doctrine under www.mindspring.com/~renewal/A.D.70Advent.html .

Cheers in Jesus,

Buff