I find many things "bizarre."
I find it bizarre that some, such as Lutherans, believe one can be "born again" as an infant, through baptism or other "means of grace."
I find it bizarre that some apparently believe that in-depth Bible study is necessary for one to be "born again," essentially saying that one must first be a disciple before becoming a convert.
I find it bizarre that some believe one must start living the new lifestyle *before* the *initiation* ceremony of baptism.
I don't say that.
You do, except
I find it bizarre that some, such as Lutherans, believe one can be "born again" as an infant, through baptism or other "means of grace
But you even said this in your post back to NorrinRadd:
It's not like in depth Bible study is a part of getting saved, like belief or repentance. What I say, as in the OP, is that from the Word is where seekers learn what they need to be saved and they should be taught directly from the Word
Here is your serious error, an error that truly reveals your gospel to be false, one that indeeds falls under Paul's curse without question.
First let us consider your very own confession where you said:
is that from the Word is where seekers
It is impossible according to God's very own testimony for those dead in sins and trespasses, who are at enmity against him and HIS WORD to seek God
, UNTIL they are first, born of his Spirit, IMPOSSIBLE. Paul taught us in his doctrine
which btw is just the opposite of what you believe and said above~consider Paul's doctrine:
Romans 3:11~There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Paul taught us the opposite of what you and your cohorts believe, which obviously Paul's doctrine means not one thing to you and puts you and your friends on the side of those that teach another gospel other than the one Paul taught starting with man's INABILITY
to understand and seek God BEFORE being given the gift of LIFE through Jesus' love of the truth and his perfect understanding and his pure heart seeking after God's word, which no man has by nature.
Man's state by nature is much worst than you folk want to accept and it is because of the gospel you have come to embrace. Paul in Romans 3 applies equally to Jews and Gentiles
that which he charges upon the Gentiles in Ephesians 4:18
where he said these words:
"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them because of the blindness (and HARDNESS we might add) of their hearts.
Yet you believe through sitting down with people who are at enmity against God, NOT just an enemy, but at WAR against him, that you can take God's word and reason with them and show them what THEY MUST DO to be saved from such hatred of him! Impossible!
Apart from God FIRST changing their nature and giving them a new heart that can be taught to love and fear him.
What Paul said in Romans 3:11~ Is true of every individual of the human race naturally. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him. Paul said to the church at Corinth. In the parable of the sower, the radical distinction between those who reject, and those who receive the word and bring forth fruit, is, that they who were fruitful understood
the word, while the others understood it not, Matthew 13:19-23
, and the new man, he who is born again, is said to be renewed in knowledge
, after the image of Him that created him. The assertion, then, in this passage, requires no limitation with respect to those who are now believers, for they were originally like others. All men are naturally ignorant of God
, and by neglecting the one thing needful, show no understanding
. Let us be honest....all outside of Jesus Christ acts more irrationally than the beasts. They DO NOT seek after God, no man does by nature, again, impossible.
To seek God is an expression frequently used in Scripture to denote the acts of religion and piety. It supposes the need all men have to go out of themselves to seek elsewhere their support,
their life, and happiness. It teaches how great is the blindness of those who seek anything else but God, in order to be happy, since true wisdom consists in seeking God for this, for He alone is the sovereign good to man. It also teaches us that during the whole course of our life God proposes Himself as the object that men are to seek.
To seek God is, in general, to answer to all His relative perfections; that is to say, to respect and adore His sovereign majesty, to instruct ourselves in His word as the primary truth, to obey His commandments as the commandments of the sovereign Legislator of men, to have recourse to Him by prayer as the origin of all things. In particular, it is to have recourse to His mercy by repentance; it is to place our confidence in Him; it is to ask for his Holy Spirit to support us, and to implore His protection and blessing; and all this through Him who is the way to the father, and who declares that no man cometh to the Father but by Him.
By nature, this great spiritual act (of seeking God) is impossible for God's enemies to perform, and even for his children, we shamefully fall so short~And by that very fact proves that there is not one act of obeidence that a man can do before God will save him from their sins; it is ONLY by the perfect faith and obedience of Jesus Christ that will cause God to have mercy upon any sinner~and for those for whom Christ died for, in time he WILL....but only on the behalf of his Son's pertfect righteousness that secured this great act of forgiveness toward unwworthy sinners..... toward those given to Christ to be their propitation.