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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #105 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 09:14:57 »
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"I don't think anyone has said otherwise [that it is something other than natural cycles]. The question is whether or not mankind's actions are causing an acceleration of the cycle."
I have. I'm saying it's natural cycles + man's contribution.

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #106 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 12:13:47 »
I have. I'm saying it's natural cycles + man's contribution.
Potato Potahto.  I don't see how that's a different thing than saying people are accelerating (decelerating?) the natural climate cycle of the earth.  The point is the cycle will continue.  Maybe a little faster or a little slower, but we basically know what happens next in the cycle. 

We're not going to suddenly have a new thing happen, like an acid cloud canopy, or the collapse of the magnetic field of the earth, or a new Cambrian explosion.

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #107 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 12:21:29 »
Wycliffes_Shillelagh,I have. I'm saying it's natural cycles + man's contribution.

I am saying with natural cycles ALONE, we have had far worse fluctuations in the distant past than the present one, indicating to me that man's contribution is small compared to the natural cycles. And reversing man's contribution will not effect the natural cycle very much if at all in keeping the cycle from reaching it's natural conclusion. Do we then have Carte Blanche to run amuck on our part? Absolutely not.
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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #108 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 12:48:22 »
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We are expected to have no more ice ages unless the CO2 count goed down. We are headed in the direction of a permian event.

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #109 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 12:49:38 »
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We seem to have much more ability of making it worse than better.

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« Reply #110 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 13:04:11 »
We are expected to have no more ice ages unless the CO2 count goed down. We are headed in the direction of a Permian event.
Not disagreeing with that.  I think my first post in this topic basically said the same thing.

But - the very fact that it's happened before is what points this out as part of the natural cycle.

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #111 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 13:09:52 »
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We seem to have much more ability of making it worse than better.

Only in a vary narrow window, Erm. We know what these cycles have done in the distant past. We only know what man's influence from the industrial age has done in a couple of hundred years or so. That influence just so happened to coincide with a natural warming trend except for maybe in 1815 when Mt Tambora blew up and caused a volcanic winter and the year without a summer in 1816.
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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #112 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 13:39:30 »
Wycliffes_Shillelagh,
Ok, I'm easy.

 

     
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