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The “Climate Change” Scenario
« on: Sat Jul 17, 2021 - 14:47:45 »
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The “Climate Change” Scenario

     For decades, I have declared that the “changes” in our weather patters are nothing more than natural cycles. History confirms it. I repeat: History confirms it. The “natural cycles” have occurred, off-and-on, since Adam’s Fall. We agree, however, that some of this can be prevented by keeping our environments, worldwide, clean of pollutants.
 
     But what about the testimony of science? I have never denied valid science. But when any division of science refutes the affirmation of the God of creation, it is “false science.” Even our Lord advocated natural cycles when He told Noah after the flood, “While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease” [Gen. 8:22].
 
    I’ll repeat again what I’ve already noted a number of times. Large sections of the world seem to be heating up, other sections are flooding—just like many other occasions in the past. Cold weather, too, has in the past increased on many parts of the globe. My point is that all of this translates into natural cycles. We will have them until time is no more, according to what God told Noah
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« Reply #1 on: Sat Jul 17, 2021 - 20:51:29 »
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« Reply #2 on: Sun Jul 18, 2021 - 05:35:33 »
I do not dispute the probability that mankind has an affect on the global climate.  But I do dispute the magnitude of the affect that mankind might have and what are being proposed as a solution to any such affect.  The proposed solutions have little, if anything, to do with climate change and have everything to do with bringing about the "New World Order".

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #3 on: Sun Jul 18, 2021 - 06:02:02 »
Amen

My whole beef is what is normal climate and why  based on history. Climate now is bad why compared to which previous period thousands of years ago with similar or worse conditions.
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« Reply #4 on: Sun Jul 18, 2021 - 06:16:43 »
I do not dispute the probability that mankind has an affect on the global climate.  But I do dispute the magnitude of the affect that mankind might have and what are being proposed as a solution to any such affect.  The proposed solutions have little, if anything, to do with climate change and have everything to do with bringing about the "New World Order".



Exactly!
Despite our contributions to greenhouse gasses, all the tax dollars in the world will not stop the inevitable change in climate.

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« Reply #5 on: Sun Jul 18, 2021 - 14:14:10 »

MY THANKS TO ALL

   Thanks, indeed, for your comments and insightful vision on the climate changes that have occurred at various times in history since the beginning of humanity.

  “While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease” [Gen. 8:22].

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 06:22:30 »
The fossil evidence shows that there have been ice ages and times when Antarctica was tropical.  Extremes way beyond anything we have experienced.

Are we currently warming up?  Yes.
Is that man's doing?  Maybe; but only partly if so.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 07:28:21 »


Are we currently warming up?  Yes.
Is that man's doing?  Maybe; but only partly if so.

Long before we ever thought of the inventions that "they" say cause global warming, or the worry about cow farts (what about dog and human  ::eek:: ) the earth has been warming and cooling in the natural course Good designed.

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?
Author: David Herring and Rebecca Lindsey
October 29, 2020

Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago. Over the course of these cycles, global average temperatures warmed or cooled anywhere from 3° to perhaps as much as 8° Celsius (5°-15° Fahrenheit). It was partly through their attempts to understand what caused and ended previous ice ages that climate scientists came to understand the dominant role that carbon dioxide plays in Earth’s climate system, and the role it is playing in current global warming.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/hasnt-earth-warmed-and-cooled-naturally-throughout-history

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 08:31:19 »
Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.
Interesting to see how that works since the earth is only about 6000 years old.

And the last ice age dubbed "Little Ice Age" was only a few centuries ago, starting about 1300 ad and peaking around 1600. It was over by the early to mid 1800s.

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 09:36:13 »
Interesting to see how that works since the earth is only about 6000 years old.    ::frown::

And the last ice age dubbed "Little Ice Age" was only a few centuries ago, starting about 1300 ad and peaking around 1600. It was over by the early to mid 1800s. 

And no one died from it did they. But then again... tell me about the heat leading up to 1300.  Dont remember reading anything about the people who died from extreme heat from 1300 back 5700 years.

Or do you call this heat up we are going into the first in history since it is to be so cataclysmic?
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« Reply #10 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 10:37:37 »
And no one died from it did they. But then again... tell me about the heat leading up to 1300.  Dont remember reading anything about the people who died from extreme heat from 1300 back 5700 years.
Not a lot written about the heat prior to 1300.  Mostly it has been deduced from geologic and biologic sources. 

But the little ice age got a lot of write up and a lot of people died from it, as records in western Europe show.  Do a web search for details.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 17:26:56 »
AGES COME AND AGES GO -

    "Ice Age" or no ice age, "Hot Age" or no hot age, the entire core of the dispute can be recast into natural cycles.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 18:20:12 »
Of course. The problem is the man caused climate change advocates will NEVER be convinced

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 20:17:54 »
Of course. The problem is the man caused climate change advocates will NEVER be convinced

But here is the problem.

Climate change is not new.

But a case needs to be made that those things that those people claim are "warming" us up are.

Relatively so, or they would not be wanting us to go back to not using them... such as fossil fuels, and so forth.

They need to explain what caused the warming's and cooling's that took place before

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Jul 19, 2021 - 20:35:45 »
Interesting to see how that works since the earth is only about 6000 years old.

And the last ice age dubbed "Little Ice Age" was only a few centuries ago, starting about 1300 ad and peaking around 1600. It was over by the early to mid 1800s.

Regional....

From the Britannica
https://www.britannica.com/story/what-was-the-little-ice-age

When most people think of ice ages, or “glacial ages,” they often envision cavemen, woolly mammoths, and vast plains of ice—such as those that occurred during the Pleistocene (about 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago) or the late Carboniferous and early Permian periods (about 300 million years ago). During these parts of Earth’s past, mile-high ice sheets covered large parts of continents, and their presence affected the weather and climate throughout the world. In fact, during one prehistoric period, the Cryogenian (which spanned roughly 720 million to 635 million years ago), there is evidence to support the notion that the whole planet was either locked in ice or possibly covered in ice with only a thin film of slush near the Equator. Think present-day Europa or Enceladus. What about the relatively recent “Little Ice Age”? Was it a true glacial age? Yes and no.

Of course, the severity of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from the early 14th century through the mid-19th century, was not a deep freeze like the long ice ages of the ancient past. After all, human civilization thrived and expanded during the Little Ice Age, as several civilizations sent ships to explore, colonize, and exploit new lands.

( However...You only commented on the severity of the Little Ice Age.....)

Nevertheless, images depicted in paintings, data from ships’ logs and scientific reports of the time, and other historical writings have shown that many parts of Europe experienced cooler than normal conditions during this time. Since the people of the time did not keep accurate weather records (to the extent that we do now), present-day scientists looking to understand the climate of the Little Ice Age have relied on proxy records—that is, indirect sources of climatic information (such as coral growth, cores of lake sediments, ice cores, and annual rings in trees)—to better understand the regional and global climates of the time. Proxy records showed that mountain glaciers grew during the Little Ice Age at several locations—including the European Alps, New Zealand, Alaska, and the southern Andes—and mean annual temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere fell by 0.6 °C (1.1 °F) relative to the average temperature between 1000 and 2000 CE. Proxy records collected from western Greenland, Scandinavia, the British Isles, and western North America point to several cool episodes, lasting several decades each, when temperatures dropped 1 to 2 °C (1.8 to 3.6 °F) below the thousand-year averages for those areas. These regional temperature declines, however, rarely occurred at the same time. In addition, temperatures of other regions (such as in eastern China and in the Andes Mountains of South America) were fairly stable, while still other regions (such as southern Europe, North America’s Mississippi Valley, and parts of Africa and Asia) became drier, with droughts lasting several years at a time.

So what caused the Little Ice Age? It was likely a combination of factors that included long periods of low sunspot activity (which reduced the amount of solar energy that reached Earth), the effects of explosive volcanic eruptions, and drastic changes in the North Atlantic Oscillation (the irregular fluctuation of atmospheric pressure over the North Atlantic Ocean).

Although the Little Ice Age was not a formal ice age, one could certainly argue that it was a significant phenomenon associated with a variety of climatic changes affecting many disparate parts of the world. Earth’s climate changes often through time, so this cool 450-year slice of Earth’s history was not the only one of its kind. There have been warm intervals too. One example is the recent warming (caused by a mix of natural factors and human activities) that began after the Little Ice Age ended and continues to this day. Another example is the highly controversial medieval warm period—another time of relative warmth—which, according to some scientists, lasted from 900 to 1300 CE. Unlike the Little Ice Age and the recent period of warming, however, there is a great deal of disagreement with respect to the reach of the medieval warm period or whether it even happened at all.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 04:59:47 »
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So what caused the Little Ice Age? It was likely a combination of factors that included long periods of low sunspot activity (which reduced the amount of solar energy that reached Earth), the effects of explosive volcanic eruptions, and drastic changes in the North Atlantic Oscillation (the irregular fluctuation of atmospheric pressure over the North Atlantic Ocean).
Yes that is all understood.  but the larger more global ice age is the issue.  You have not answered my first question:
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Interesting to see how that works since the earth is only about 6000 years old.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 06:12:13 »
What I want to know is what is the correct climate we are supposed to have? If it is perceived we are warming for whatever reason, what is the proper climate we should have and why?

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 06:27:11 »
What I want to know is what is the correct climate we are supposed to have? If it is perceived we are warming for whatever reason, what is the proper climate we should have and why?
Good question.  If forced to give an answer, I would say the climate they had in the Garden of Eden, because that is God's original environment for mankind.

But we actually know only a little about it.  There was no rain but a mist watered the earth.  That has led some to believe Earth had a cloud canopy similar to what Venus has that kept a fairly uniform temp with high humidity across the globe (and probably the reason fossilized tropical plant remains have been found in Antarctica.)


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« Reply #18 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 06:49:02 »
What I want to know is what is the correct climate we are supposed to have? If it is perceived we are warming for whatever reason, what is the proper climate we should have and why?



It's a variable that fluctuates considerably over time. Solar radiation is what warms the planet, how much of that radiation is deflected away from the surface is what will determine the temperature on the surface. Things like atmospheric conditions are considerable factors in the overall climate of the earth. Of course, it's much more detailed than that, but the fact is that the Earth has an ever changing climate. In just the last 500,000 years the earth has experienced at least 4 major ice ages, the last which has not yet fully retreated. There are some very interesting facts related to how climate is affected globally and why our climate isn't a set of static values. Something as simple as darkening trends (darker zones over the earths surface caused by retreating ice, less snow, etc) can cause the surface to absorb more solar radiation resulting in gradual warming.


I believe man's contributions to rising CO2 levels are genuinely measurable, but far from responsible for climate change itself. 

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« Reply #19 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:07:27 »
The biggest factor to climate change isn't CO2.  It is systemic racism.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 08:08:32 »
The biggest factor to climate change isn't CO2.  It is systemic racism.
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The biggest factor to climate change isn't CO2.  It is systemic racism.



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Greta is using her white privilege and by doing so is guilty of systemic racism.

https://www.climatechangenews.com/2020/06/30/need-talk-racism-climate-movement/

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You know things are not quite right when one of their major spokespersons is an autistic teenager.  That in itself doesn't make her right or wrong, but it most likely makes her less then knowledgeable on the subject and suggests, correctly, that her arguments are nearly entirely emotional rather than rational.  But that would not be surprising; all wokeism is emotional rather than rational.  As one financial expert recently posited, "Go woke, go broke".  That applies equally to the intellectual as well as the financial.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 12:32:03 »
Yes that is all understood.  but the larger more global ice age is the issue.  You have not answered my first question:

This is a statement, what is the question?
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Interesting to see how that works since the earth is only about 6000 years old.

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AGES COME AND AGES GO -

    "Ice Age" or no ice age, "Hot Age" or no hot age, the entire core of the dispute can be recast into natural cycles.

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Of course, but that doesn't mean the recast is correct.

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Greta is using her white privilege and by doing so is guilty of systemic racism.https://www.climatechangenews.com/2020/06/30/need-talk-racism-climate-movement/



We need to be more sensitive if we are going to change the world.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue Jul 20, 2021 - 19:14:59 »
What I want to know is what is the correct climate we are supposed to have? If it is perceived we are warming for whatever reason, what is the proper climate we should have and why?
The way I figure, it's more important that the climate is something people can live in, than whatever is "natural." 

I mean, sulphuric acid clouds are "normal" on Venus, doesn't make it a nice place to vacation.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Jul 26, 2021 - 18:21:32 »
So the warmer the better…… to a point? What is that point? Somewhere between advancing continental glaciers and no remaining ice?
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« Reply #29 on: Wed Sep 08, 2021 - 17:20:42 »
This is how I see global heating denial
https://youtu.be/AJ599TQUiug

The world can be burning down around them and they'll still say nope!
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« Reply #30 on: Wed Sep 08, 2021 - 18:08:02 »
Global Warming:  What a Horrible World.

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Al Gore:  Ball of Fire

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« Reply #32 on: Wed Sep 08, 2021 - 18:10:30 »
This is how I see global heating denial
https://youtu.be/AJ599TQUiug

The world can be burning down around them and they'll still say nope!

Since I live in the north, global warming will be great.  I can enjoy the Great Lakes more of the year!   ::disco::

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« Reply #33 on: Wed Sep 08, 2021 - 18:21:43 »
Erm, this is a serious question, what is the optimum temperature situation in your opinion and why? Should the avg world temp be at 1700 levels, 1800 levels or 500 BC levels or what? And why? If we are warming too fast, what is just right and why? Should we strive to dial it back 12,000 years during an ice age, or some previous warming interglacial period? In the climate spectrum, where is optimum? If we know when we are out of whack wouldn’t we know when we are IN whack, or approaching whack? Or is it like the grass is always greener or browner in another Epoch?
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« Reply #34 on: Wed Sep 08, 2021 - 18:51:12 »
Since I live in the north, global warming will be great.  I can enjoy the Great Lakes more of the year!   ::disco::

Absolutely since the space heaters were working until late June and also last week and right this moment to take the chill out of the house. ::lookaround::