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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #70 on: Sun Sep 12, 2021 - 00:34:24 »
I had a job I worked on for solar, have to change their plans and use a different parcel because from a civil engineering perspective, the land they had in mind wasn't able to adequately take all the structures.
YeH, I'm told my property is not "suitable" for solar panels, due to the proximity of mountains and the orientation of the home.

In my estimation the proliferation of batteries is a definite negative in ecological terms.  All that acid and rare earth alkali aren't going to be easily disposed of.

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« Reply #71 on: Sun Sep 12, 2021 - 06:21:26 »
If glacial periods are the norm, I am thankful for  the abnormal interglacial periods. Especially this present one! I am confident the world will survive this one too. It’s the final Biblical global “warming” we have to worry about.
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« Reply #72 on: Sun Sep 12, 2021 - 07:11:42 »
If glacial periods are the norm, I am thankful for  the abnormal interglacial periods. Especially this present one! I am confident the world will surve this one too. It the final Biblical global “warming” we have to worry about.
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« Reply #73 on: Sun Sep 12, 2021 - 08:02:51 »
YeH, I'm told my property is not "suitable" for solar panels, due to the proximity of mountains and the orientation of the home.

In my estimation the proliferation of batteries is a definite negative in ecological terms.  All that acid and rare earth alkali aren't going to be easily disposed of.

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The turbine blades are sitting in landfills right now because they are difficult to dispose of.  Solar arrays won't be easy to recycle.  "Clean" energy components are not really clean.

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« Reply #74 on: Mon Sep 13, 2021 - 05:17:51 »
Maybe Bill Gates and Fauxi will figure out some population reduction.  ::whistle::
So they are new agers now? 

Wasn't it the new age movement that said if the human population was not reduced to < 2 billion by Y2K, the earth (Gaea) would kill off the excess herself?

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« Reply #75 on: Mon Sep 13, 2021 - 05:23:24 »
Gain of Function research wasn’t just an academic project. Even though Fauxi insists on parsing what the meaning of is is, in predictable Clintonian fashion when cornered.

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« Reply #76 on: Mon Sep 13, 2021 - 12:14:51 »
So they are new agers now? 

Wasn't it the new age movement that said if the human population was not reduced to < 2 billion by Y2K, the earth (Gaea) would kill off the excess herself?

Bill Gates is

In this Ted Talk, Bill Gates says CO2 causes ecosystem collapse, and top scientists tell him we have to get CO2 emissions down to zero. He then goes on to say that we need to reduce population, and we can use new vaccines to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfstBe1buaA

Bill Gates is

into a smart city experiment.

https://www.globest.com/2020/03/05/an-update-on-bill-gates-new-smart-city-in-arizona/?slreturn=20210813130311

Bill Gates is

into his company TerraPower ~ building next-generation nuclear power

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/bill-gates-terrapower-is-building-next-generation-nuclear-power.html

Bill Gates

Warns That a Next Pandemic Could Be 10 times Worse

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/364371

And Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci

Fauci and Gates have known each other for more than a decade, often collaborating on the Foundation’s vaccine efforts. They worked together on the Foundation’s Global Vaccine Action Plan, in which Fauci served on the leadership council.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/bill-gates-and-dr-anthony-fauci-talk-regularly-about-covid-pandemic.html#:~:text=Fauci%20and%20Gates%20have%20known%20each%20other%20for,in%20which%20Fauci%20served%20on%20the%20leadership%20council.

And Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci

Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci both said years ago Trump would face a ‘surprise global disease outbreak

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/04/bill-gates-and-dr-fauci-both-said-years-ago-trump-would-face-a-surprise-global-disease-outbreak-904853/

Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci

REVEALED: Dr. Fauci Plotted With Bill Gates Before Pushing COVID Panic And Doubts About Hydroxychloroquine Effectiveness

https://fort-russ.com/2020/04/revealed-dr-fauci-plotted-with-bill-gates-before-pushing-covid-panic-and-doubts-about-hydroxychloroquine-effectiveness/

So are they new age?

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #77 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 21:54:54 »
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Angladesh AND the world  OWES China for a lot of their worries being by far the biggest offender that isn’t addressed by global climate accords. That can’t happen. But it is. I read sometime ago that China averages bringing on a new coal power plant every WEEK.
I have read that they are making efforts to lower their carbon output.

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They are too big an economy to get a developing nation pass. If we flipped a switch and had zero CO2 China would still be the 800 pound gorilla in the room. They only dream of having our clean air.
Of course they should not be given a pass. They should be pressured like everyone else and as much as everyone else to lower their carbon output. There is no question to that. That should not preclude us from doing everything we can do now on our end. That's like having four people in a row boat headed toward the falls, and two people will not row until the other two people start rowing. There is a time factor involved. The clean air that the United States has proudly achieved does not address CO2.

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But they ARE good at cyber stealing our elections. They in my opinion are our existential threat, and ultimately the world’s.
Given this pandemic and other outbreaks originating in China, I must agree. But not across the board. Many Chinese are also the victims of those Chinese who are responsible.
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« Reply #78 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 22:08:13 »
Wycliffes_Shillelagh,
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The world in a glacial age, but currently we are in a inter-glacial period - a warm-ish period that is bracketed by ice ages.

The hubbub about global warming is basically speculation that instead of a inter-glacial period, we might be ending a glacial age altogether (because global warming) and instead entering a new tropical age (slightly higher temps and significantly higher atmospheric CO2).
You are correct. The current thinking is that we are preventing any new ice age from forming. From my reading, what determines whether it goes in the direction of a runaway cycle of overheating or whether it goes in the direction of a runaway cycle of glaciers forming is how much CO2 there is in the air. Our contribution has exceeded what the Earth would have added on its own and it has disrupted the balance, at least until our contribution has been slowly reabsorbed back into the earth. The latest proliferating toxic algae blooms however are indicating that not having ice ages at their regularly scheduled time is the least of our worries.
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« Reply #79 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 03:24:42 »
A fundamental fallacy of the doomsday "Climate Change" scenario is that it is based upon computer climate modelling.  The problem with such computer models is that they tend to produce results that the modeler intended.  In the case of the current climate change models, the predicted increase in global temperature is heavily affected by an increase in CO2.  But those same models do not accurately predict the temperatures over the last 20 years of increasing CO2; thus there is essentially zero likelihood of their accurately predicting the temperatures over the next 20, 50 or 100 years.

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« Reply #80 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 03:35:21 »
That should not preclude us from doing everything we can do now on our end. That's like having four people in a row boat headed toward the falls, and two people will not row until the other two people start rowing.
Nah, that is like four people in a row boat floating down river thinking that there must be some falls somewhere downstream, when in fact there probably isn't.  And even if there is, all four rowing as hard as they can is not likely to change anything.

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« Reply #81 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 03:47:24 »
Angladesh AND the world  OWES China for a lot of their worries being by far the biggest offender that isn’t addressed by global climate accords. That can’t happen. But it is. I read sometime ago that China averages bringing on a new coal power plant every WEEK. They are too big an economy to get a developing nation pass. If we flipped a switch and had zero CO2 China would still be the 800 pound gorilla in the room. They only dream of having our clean air. But they ARE good at cyber stealing our elections. They in my opinion are our existential threat, and ultimately the world’s.
China may in fact be bringing on a new coal power plant every week; but they are also working on the development of nuclear powered electrical production, including Thorium-based nuclear power.  Similarly, India and some other major power consuming countries are looking at Thorium-based nuclear power.  So far as I can tell, the US is nearly absent in such research.

Any national program in "global climate change" that does not concentrate on nuclear power generation is a farce and is not really interested in any climate change problem.

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« Reply #82 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 06:55:57 »
China may in fact be bringing on a new coal power plant every week; but they are also working on the development of nuclear powered electrical production, including Thorium-based nuclear power.  Similarly, India and some other major power consuming countries are looking at Thorium-based nuclear power.  So far as I can tell, the US is nearly absent in such research.
Well, Chernoble showed us how safe nuke plants are in communist countries.  And there was a similar meltdown (probably worse) back in the late 50s.  A town near the border with Georgia that had a nuke plant went missing off of the official maps in 1960 and has not been seen since. 

When those Chinese nuke plants dump their radiation and make half of the country unlivable, where do you think their billion and a half people are going to go?  Here in the good ole US of A.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 08:37:18 »
Well, Chernoble showed us how safe nuke plants are in communist countries.  And there was a similar meltdown (probably worse) back in the late 50s.  A town near the border with Georgia that had a nuke plant went missing off of the official maps in 1960 and has not been seen since. 

When those Chinese nuke plants dump their radiation and make half of the country unlivable, where do you think their billion and a half people are going to go?  Here in the good ole US of A.
Leftist anti-nuclear drivel.

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« Reply #84 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 08:56:18 »
Leftist anti-nuclear drivel.
I am neither leftist or anti-nuclear.

But I am opposed to communist and other totalitarian regimes having nukes because they have an internal process that is not open and leads to all kinds of mishaps and coverups.  And that makes it bad for all of us.  We had a radiation cloud over the northern tier of states from Chernoble.

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« Reply #85 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 13:04:18 »
It is not well advertised, but nuclear power causes thermal pollution in bodies of water, as the water that is used for cooling is dumped back into the environment hotter than when it came in. It is not a viable energy option.

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« Reply #86 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 13:18:56 »
It is not well advertised, but nuclear power causes thermal pollution in bodies of water, as the water that is used for cooling is dumped back into the environment hotter than when it came in. It is not a viable energy option.

That can be taken into account.  The biggest problem with nuclear isn't the water that is used for cooling.  It is what to do with the fuel that can be used.  It can attempted to be re-used like France does, but some still has to be stored in special areas.

However, if we want to label sources of energy as "not a viable energy option," then there is no viable energy option at this point.  There is environmental impact for Solar, Wind, etc, and it isn't marginal either.

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« Reply #87 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 15:52:55 »
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I agree. Right now we can only deal with the least damaging. The least of all evils, until they can determined safer sources of energy. The sodium ion battery sounds promising, as well does the melted salt batteries in India.

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« Reply #88 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 16:06:58 »
I am neither leftist or anti-nuclear.
But what you are spouting about nuclear power is.

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« Reply #89 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 16:28:41 »
TV and e.r.m., you both need to read up on Thorium-based nuclear power. At one time there was an on-going discussion about whether to pursue Thorium-based nuclear power or Uranium-based nuclear power.  One of the reasons that we have Uranium-based nuclear reactors is that nuclear weapons can be made from the by-products or the Uranium reaction something very difficult to do with Thorium-based nuclear reactors.

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« Reply #90 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 16:42:00 »
There currently are proposals for capture and sequester of CO2 from fossil fuel electric power plants.  There is a much better use for the captured CO2 than sequester; it can be, using existing technology, combined with Hydrogen to make gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel, etc.  It is called synfuel; Germany produced synfuel during WWII.  We have enough coal in this country to make all the necessary electricity this country will need for the next three or four centuries.  Add to that the other available fossil fuels available and the CO2-free electricity supply problem is solved.  All that is need is a fossil fuel free supply of Hydrogen.  That is what we should be doing with wind and solar. We could produce synfuel directly from coal as Germany did for their WWII effort, but that is more difficult and more expensive that producing synfuel from CO2 and H2.

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« Reply #91 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 06:06:43 »
But what you are spouting about nuclear power is.
Is it?  To say that corrupt governments can wreck their own environment and seek to take us over for their own stupidity?

Nuclear can be great.  BUT only if used with a plethora of safe guards.  I know a bit about it as my uncle (of blessed memory) worked for decades as Safety Engineer at a nuke plant.  He had to report many instances of lax procedures and accidents to the NRC. Enough that my son's father in law who worked at NRC as a nuclear physicist had heard his name. 

He was not well liked by the AEP higher ups.  We cannot prove it but we think that the leukemia that killed him 10 years ago was intentionally caused by them exposing him to radiation.

Radioactive material is inherently dangerous.

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« Reply #92 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 06:13:15 »
It is what to do with the fuel that can be used.  It can attempted to be re-used like France does, but some still has to be stored in special areas.
Spent fuel is a problem.  It is still lethal in its radiation output. It can get into ground water and poison whole areas. 

My thoughts have been to put it on a heavy lift rocket and shoot it into the Sun.  I have been told that there are several reasons they do not want to do that.
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However, if we want to label sources of energy as "not a viable energy option," then there is no viable energy option at this point.  There is environmental impact for Solar, Wind, etc, and it isn't marginal either.
Correct.  Every form of energy we use upsets the natural balance.  But the only way to NOT do that is for us all to go back to being cave men. No electricity and no transportation.  No manufacturing.

I do not think that is what God had in mind when he told Adam to subdue the earth.

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« Reply #93 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 08:26:00 »
My thoughts have been to put it on a heavy lift rocket and shoot it into the Sun.
Do you have any idea whatsoever of what it costs to put a pound of anything beyond earth's gravitational pull?  Current estimates are at about $10K; and that is probably low. There is no way to absorb that cost in the production of energy for common household use.  But the development of Thorium based nuclear power would greatly decrease the problem of dealing with the waste products.

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« Reply #94 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 08:35:19 »
Radioactive material is inherently dangerous.
So is gasoline.  So is natural gas.  So is just about everything else that can be used to produce power. 

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« Reply #95 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 10:39:15 »
From my reading, what determines whether it goes in the direction of a runaway cycle of overheating or whether it goes in the direction of a runaway cycle of glaciers forming is how much CO2 there is in the air. Our contribution has exceeded what the Earth would have added on its own and it has disrupted the balance, at least until our contribution has been slowly reabsorbed back into the earth. The latest proliferating toxic algae blooms however are indicating that not having ice ages at their regularly scheduled time is the least of our worries.
From what I've read, it's the oceans that hold everything together.  They are looking pretty gross right now in the topmost layers.  But it's the lower layers of the oceans that are more concerning, and I'm not sure we've really screwed those up enough to break the balance of things.

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« Reply #96 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 10:47:48 »
Well, Chernoble showed us how safe nuke plants are in communist countries.  And there was a similar meltdown (probably worse) back in the late 50s.  A town near the border with Georgia that had a nuke plant went missing off of the official maps in 1960 and has not been seen since.
Governments are temporary by nature.  Most last somewhere between 50-300 years.

The life of a nuclear power plant is perhaps longer than the life of the government that maintains it.  If the state collapses, the maintenance (or de-commission) of the plant becomes... problematic.

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« Reply #97 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 10:55:25 »
If glacial periods are the norm, I am thankful for  the abnormal interglacial periods. Especially this present one! I am confident the world will survive this one too. It’s the final Biblical global “warming” we have to worry about.
Interglacials are normal, not an aberration. 

Glacial periods aren't something to fear too much.  While they would push humanity toward the equator, we would still thrive in them.  Tropical periods could potentially make the earth's atmosphere unbreathable for us - a much bigger problem.

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« Reply #98 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 10:58:23 »
Interglacials are normal, not an aberration. 

Glacial periods aren't something to fear too much.  While they would push humanity toward the equator, we would still thrive in them.  Tropical periods could potentially make the earth's atmosphere unbreathable for us - a much bigger problem.

And I would say interglacial periods like now aren't something to fear or be concerned about.

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« Reply #99 on: Mon Sep 27, 2021 - 22:42:41 »
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    All of these diverse climate changes you are dialoging to death boils down to natural cycles, in my strong opinion. Natural cycles of climate changes have occurred since Adam and Eve fell from their flawless Paradise. I believe I covered this at the beginning of my thread.

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« Reply #100 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 03:36:11 »
All of these diverse climate changes you are dialoging to death boils down to natural cycles, in my strong opinion. Natural cycles of climate changes have occurred since Adam and Eve fell from their flawless Paradise. I believe I covered this at the beginning of my thread.
I don't think anyone has said otherwise.  The question is whether or not mankind's actions are causing an acceleration of the cycle.

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« Reply #101 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 11:45:19 »
GUYS & GALS:    All of these diverse climate changes you are dialoging to death boils down to natural cycles, in my strong opinion. Natural cycles of climate changes have occurred since Adam and Eve fell from their flawless Paradise. I believe I covered this at the beginning of my thread.



Interesting. The kind of scientific data and MSM reporting regarding climate change is very much the same kind of science being used for COVID/Vaccination data reporting. You buy into one lock, stock, and barrel, yet reject the other.

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Interesting. The kind of scientific data and MSM reporting regarding climate change is very much the same kind of science being used for COVID/Vaccination data reporting. You buy into one lock, stock, and barrel, yet reject the other.


Yeah.  Skepticism or dismissal of one but all in on the other.  I think with "Mad Covid Disease," the Covidians have been so scared that they are going to die by the Pulpiteers like Fauci, they are willing to do anything and believe anything.

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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #103 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 13:11:42 »
Also, there are two schools of doctors out there, the Fauci-ites and the non-Fauci-ites. The Fauci-ites are soldout to the Covidian pulpiteers, and are themselves as rabid as Amway salesmen! Doctors like my doctor have embraced the early and aggressive use of therapeutics very successfully, though at the disdain of the medical establishment. My other doctor is a goose stepping Fauci-ite all the way. I predict we are going to find out before long that tens of thousands of people died needlessly in this pandemic, which I have referred to from the beginning as a "Dem panic". But yes, being a Covidian and an anti-man caused climate change advocate IS strange. And I pray that some latent long term adverse effect from the "vaccines" doesn't rear it's head in the coming years.

Unless someone slaps some sense into this country, we will become Australia in our fascistic response of locking up the "learned" non-conformists anti-Fauci-ites like myself. Then likely we will have climate change internment camps as well.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/26/australia-has-begun-building-covid-concentration-camps-n2594763
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Re: The “Climate Change” Scenario
« Reply #104 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 18:31:09 »
Jarrod:

    "I don't think anyone has said otherwise [that it is something other than natural cycles]. The question is whether or not mankind's actions are causing an acceleration of the cycle."

    True, and I injected a note to that effect when I posted this thread. I wrote, "We agree, however, that some of this can be prevented by keeping our environments, worldwide, clean of pollutants."

    But there are a few here who are so heavily intoxicated on rejecting facts and data on climate change and, I might add, hospitalizations and deaths from Covid-19 and its sister, they do a professional job of confusing actualities.

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