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“The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
« on: Sun Sep 26, 2021 - 21:29:30 »
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“The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
Which Is It?

     “This is my body which is broken for you. Do this in remembrance of me...This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me” [1 Cor. 11:24-25].
 
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     Interestingly, the scriptures do not call the Lord’s Supper “the communion.” Eating the bread and drinking the fruit of the vine is called the “Lord's Supper” [1 Cor. 11:20]. Everything a believer does to praise his Lord is communion, but no one item or act is the communion.
     
    “Communion” and “communication” are closely related in that both entail sharing thoughts and emotions with others. Consequently, when we communicate with our Lord, whether in prayer, song, or the daily life we live, we are communing with God. To put it simply, the Lord’s Supper is a communion.
 
    Furthermore, the Lord’s Supper was designed for every believer, regardless of the partisan flag he carries or the name over his church door. No man, whether ecclesiastic, president, or king has the license to deny any believer the Supper. To do that is to place himself on God’s throne. Most sects and denominations deny the Supper to those who are not aligned with their religious party.
 
    Many believers have turned, and are turning, their backs on the institutional church and her ritualistic trappings and formalistic “sacraments.” They are seeking the stream that once flowed from the river of life—the stream that was once pure and tranquil before modern-day “Religion” and “Churchianity” contaminated it. God has been largely replaced with schismatic “Religion,” and Jesus has been largely substituted with “Churchianity.”
 
    What, if anything, can be done about the clutter we have created? Nothing can be done by our own efforts. Only when God raises up reformers and fills them with His Spirit will we begin to see a change. Such was the case with old Israel. When they strayed from God's designs and placed their loyalty in false gods and in counterfeit systems and projects, as we have done today, they were taken into captivity by their enemies.
 
    Their captivity continued until they repented and cried out to the Lord for mercy, at which time God raised up reformers [prophets] to rescue them from the mire in which they had been wallowing. We, like old Israel, need to cry out to the Lord. Only then will He send help.
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Re: “The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
« Reply #1 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 04:12:31 »
Interestingly, the scriptures do not call the Lord’s Supper “the communion.” Eating the bread and drinking the fruit of the vine is called the “Lord's Supper” [1 Cor. 11:20].
I do not think you are correct.  In the chapter immediately preceding the one you have quoted we have this...

1Co 10:16  The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

The Catholics also are not wrong in using the word eucharist - it is literally the Greek word most often associated with the breaking of bread and taking of wine.

Furthermore, the Lord’s Supper was designed for every believer, regardless of the partisan flag he carries or the name over his church door. No man, whether ecclesiastic, president, or king has the license to deny any believer the Supper. To do that is to place himself on God’s throne. Most sects and denominations deny the Supper to those who are not aligned with their religious party.
And yet, we are instructed to exclude the non-believers from the eucharist:

2 Peter 2:13  And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

So this is really just a matter of where one puts the line between believers and non-believers.

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 07:59:08 »
We call it Shulchan Adonai - the table of the Lord.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Sep 28, 2021 - 08:03:00 »
The word "communion" is translated from Koinonia - to have things in common.   Bread and wine was known in the near east going back to Abraham as a covenant meal.  Consider it similar to a restatement of marriage vows, the only form of covenant modern western culture understands.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 11:29:06 »
...Marriage vows, the only form of covenant modern western culture understands.
I think we understand contract law rather better than marriage covenants, but ymmv.

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« Reply #5 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 12:54:11 »
I think we understand contract law rather better than marriage covenants,
True.  Contracts we know.  But covenants are NOT contracts.
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« Reply #6 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 12:57:54 »
True.  Contracts we know.  But covenants are NOT contracts.
They're related things.

I have no idea what ymmv stands for.
Your mileage may vary.  ::smile::

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 13:43:13 »
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Lord's Supper, not Communion I agree.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 13:50:41 »
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Lord's Supper, not Communion I agree.

Both Dave, and Wycliffe proved from scripture that Buff is wrong.  "Communion" can be very apt.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 15:48:46 »
Jarrod:

    In your Reply #1, it is interesting how those two passages are translated in newer and more-correct Versions than the KJV. The English Standard Version, for example:

    "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it nor a participation in the body of Christ?"

    I have set in BOLD FACE the "a" in both questions to emphasize. That there is a communion, no one will defy. There is a host of different forms of communions and/or participations or fellowships, etc.. "The communion," a definite article, indicates it is singular or that it thrives by itself. As noted, there are numerous forms of communions.

    You added, "And yet, we are instructed to exclude the non-believers from the eucharist." No question here. I said the Lord's Supper was designed for believers only. Non-believers may very well be informed of this.

Thanks for your remarks,

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 15:56:48 »
e.r.m.:

"Reformer, Lord's Supper, not Communion I agree."

"A communion" is correct, not the communion. Thanks.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 16:09:37 »
Jarrod:

    In your Reply #1, it is interesting how those two passages are translated in newer and more-correct Versions than the KJV. The English Standard Version, for example:

    "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it nor a participation in the body of Christ?"

    I have set in BOLD FACE the "a" in both questions to emphasize. That there is a communion, no one will defy. There is a host of different forms of communions and/or participations or fellowships, etc.. "The communion," a definite article, indicates it is singular or that it thrives by itself. As noted, there are numerous forms of communions.

    You added, "And yet, we are instructed to exclude the non-believers from the eucharist." No question here. I said the Lord's Supper was designed for believers only. Non-believers may very well be informed of this.

Thanks for your remarks,

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The Greek is more accurately rendered "communion."    The verse is pretty clear.  The OP is not scriptural. The OP just takes some denominational peculiarity of belief used as a denominator to call out others for being denominators.  It is really quite absurd.

I don't know of any Christian grouping that calls it "The Communion."  It is called "Communion."  No "a" or "the" before it.    Further attempting to scrutinize "a" vs "the" is hardly helpful.   Neither are there in the Greek.  Also, "the communion" is in reference to "The Lord's Supper."  What is wrong with using another name for the same thing?  It does so right in scripture.  Who is being denominational now?

koinōnia = communion.

1 Corinthians 10 in Greek just defeats the OP.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed Sep 29, 2021 - 22:26:51 »
e.r.m:

    Thayer and Strong, Greek scholars, translate "communion" in 1 Cor. 10:16 thusly:
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koinōnia
koy-nohn-ee'-ah
From G2844; partnership, that is, (literally) participation, or (social) intercourse, or (pecuniary) benefaction: - (to) communicate (-ation), communion, (contri-), distribution, fellowship.

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    To commune, in it's literal sense, is to communicate socially or spiritually, or by any other form of exchanging ideas, or participating in a certain act, such as the Lord's Supper. The definite article "the" for "communion" is not in the Greek - at least not in the Lexicons I have examined.

    "The Lord's Supper" is correct, for there is only one Lord's Supper. "The" communion is incorrect because there are numerous forms of communions.

   I have been associated with a diversity of churches and religious parties through the years, except Catholicism, and every one of them called the Lord's Supper "The Communion."

    I hope this helps to explain away the erroneous explanations you are being exposed to. Carefully examine HOW others say what they say - yes, including me, my friend.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 05:47:37 »
"A communion" is correct, not the communion. Thanks.
As I pointed out earlier, Hebrew has no indefinite article "a" or "an."  Neither does biblical Greek. 
They both only have definite articles "the." 


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« Reply #15 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 08:34:25 »
e.r.m:

    Thayer and Strong, Greek scholars, translate "communion" in 1 Cor. 10:16 thusly:
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koinōnia
koy-nohn-ee'-ah
From G2844; partnership, that is, (literally) participation, or (social) intercourse, or (pecuniary) benefaction: - (to) communicate (-ation), communion, (contri-), distribution, fellowship.

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    To commune, in it's literal sense, is to communicate socially or spiritually, or by any other form of exchanging ideas, or participating in a certain act, such as the Lord's Supper. The definite article "the" for "communion" is not in the Greek - at least not in the Lexicons I have examined.

    "The Lord's Supper" is correct, for there is only one Lord's Supper. "The" communion is incorrect because there are numerous forms of communions.

   I have been associated with a diversity of churches and religious parties through the years, except Catholicism, and every one of them called the Lord's Supper "The Communion."

    I hope this helps to explain away the erroneous explanations you are being exposed to. Carefully examine HOW others say what they say - yes, including me, my friend.

Buff


I have also been associated with a diversity of churches and religious parties through the years.  And none of them called it "The Communion."

The only erroneous explanation I keep seeing is with the OP, and those that attempt to support it.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 08:44:01 »
In the cofc of my experience, it was always just communion. Sometimes it would be referred to as the Lord's Supper. Even on the church bulletin on the order of worship, it was referred to simply as "Communion". Similarly on the bulletin "announcements" were notated, not THE announcements.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 10:23:47 »
I hear it called both. 

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 10:32:52 »
The point I would agree with is, it doesn't matter. Everyone knows what is referred to.




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« Reply #19 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 10:41:01 »
The only erroneous explanation I keep seeing is with the OP, and those that attempt to support it.



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« Reply #20 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 13:11:04 »
REPEATING REMINDERS

   In Reply #13 & in my thread: "I have been associated with a diversity of churches and religious parties through the years, except Catholicism, and every one of them called the Lord's Supper 'The' Communion.

    "I hope this helps to explain away the erroneous explanations you are being exposed to. Carefully examine HOW others say what they say - yes, including me, my friend.

    "That there is a communion, no one will defy. There is a host of different forms of communions and/or participations or fellowships, etc.. 'The' communion, a definite article, indicates it is singular or that it thrives by itself. As noted, there are numerous forms of communions."


    Enough said by me on this topic. If any of you have additional "revelations," fire away. If you do not have additional "revelations," you might consider allowing this issue to "Rest In Peace."

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Sep 30, 2021 - 13:45:24 »
It is therefore concluded:

Using "communion" or "The Lord's Supper" is fine and 100% right.  Anyone denying this is 100% wrong.

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It is therefore concluded:

Using "communion" or "The Lord's Supper" is fine and 100% right.  Anyone denying this is 100% wrong.

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It is therefore concluded:

Using "communion" or "The Lord's Supper" is fine and 100% right.  Anyone denying this is 100% wrong.

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It is therefore concluded:
Using "communion" or "The Lord's Supper" is fine and 100% right.  Anyone denying this is 100% wrong.
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Works for me.

BTW, the FGA congregation I attended in highschool NEVER ONCE offered communion.  The pastor was scared to death of 1 Cor 11.27-30.  He believed if the congregants took it they would all drop dead on the spot.

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It is therefore concluded:

Using "communion" or "The Lord's Supper" is fine and 100% right.  Anyone denying this is 100% wrong.

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As usual Biblically illiterate Christians are firmly and devoutly wrong.

Referred to as "the last supper" or "the Lord's supper" by Christians and adopted as a gentile abstraction of Jewish tradition, Holy Communion has been held in high regard for centuries - WITHOUT ANY CHRISTIAN KNOWING OR UNDERSTANDING ITS TRUE MEANING.  It was established by the RCC as religious law, not God's LAW and certified as being of value for salvation - which it isn't.

Let me begin by saying Jewish tradition doesn't save anyone.  Are we agreed on this point?  By extension then NO CHRISTIAN TRADITION will save either.  This includes Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, Halloween occultism, the average garden variety of Virgin Mary statues and Holy Communion.

At the end of three gospels, it's recorded that Jesus met with his talmidim (disciples) and celebrated the Pesach SEDER (passover seder).  Thus what gentiles refer to as Jesus' last supper is, in fact, a Jewish tradition observing Hebrew flight from bondage in EgyptJews don't believe the SEDER saves anyone, but gentiles have perverted the Jewish tradition to one of their own and affixed divine approval to it, WHICH IT NEVER HADThe seder is simply an annual celebration of liberty, of freedom from an ancient bondage to slavery in Egypt. 

The seder meal is taken once a year, not every evening as is a common supper.  Thus the gathering of Jesus and His talmidim was the LAST SEDER, not a last picnic lunch. (*)

Holy Communion, by comparison, is celebrated every Sunday at minimum.  Protestant churches celebrate it monthly, but exchange grape juice for wine as a consequence of the American flirtation with Prohibition (look it up).  Thus even the Protestant version of Holy Communion is twice perverted by secular TRADITION, not that of God or even of the Hebrew people who began it in the first place.

The seder meal is part of a week long Jewish celebration of Passover (Pesach).  It' a tradition that is thousands of years old and is celebrated ONCE A YEAR and is normally celebrated in the HOMES of Jewish families.  Jewish tradition doesn't recognize the seder as anything more than tradition.  It does not save anybody.  The seder is a reminder of deliverance from bondage.  Jesus asked His talmidim to remember His work in the same way.  He affixed no saving grace to the act as the church has done.  We are asked to remember, not to start wars over it.

Holy Communion is a gentile magic act that purportedly changes common bread and wine (or Welch's grape juice) into the body and blood of Christ.  Taken in this way, Christians assume that communion is efficacious for salvation (a substitute for genuine REPENTANCE and RIGHTEOUS living).  Wars have been fought over it and internal religious arguments have raged in our churches for years.  Is it appropriate for a woman or gay person to serve communion to a congregation?  Is this what devotion and worship of God has come to?  It has been diluted by our humanist ideologies and tradition.  We have forgotten the original meaning of the seder.

“I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me." - Amos 5:21

God hates it because it is hypocritical traditional and without meaning.  Yet men and women assume it to be of value IN THEIR OWN EYES regardless of ancient Jewish tradition or the LAW of God.   It is a farce.

Holy Communion is an act of Passive Indifference toward God and thus an act of Active Malice against Him.  It is no substitute for true REPENTANCE and Humility before God.

It is time to REPENT of our SINs and wickedness according to the LAW of God.  It is time to seek God in our hearts and minds and souls, not at a fake dinner table.

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(*) Part of the seder meal acknowledges the hope of the coming of Elijah, who in turn will precede the arrival of ha-Mashiach (messiah, the Christ).  Holy Communion does not recognize the living Messiah, only the dead one BECAUSE THE RCC MASS CRUCIFIES CHRIST -AGAIN- EACH TIME IT IS PERFORMED.  Protestants do the same, though not with the same level of pageantry and spectacle.  Did Christ die once for all (Romans 6:10) or is He killed again and again each time Communion is served?

 

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Re: “The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
« Reply #26 on: Fri Oct 01, 2021 - 08:46:25 »
As usual Biblically illiterate Christians are firmly and devoutly wrong.

Referred to as "the last supper" or "the Lord's supper" by Christians and adopted as a gentile abstraction of Jewish tradition, Holy Communion has been held in high regard for centuries - WITHOUT ANY CHRISTIAN KNOWING OR UNDERSTANDING ITS TRUE MEANING.  It was established by the RCC as religious law, not God's LAW and certified as being of value for salvation - which it isn't.

Let me begin by saying Jewish tradition doesn't save anyone.  Are we agreed on this point?  By extension then NO CHRISTIAN TRADITION will save either.  This includes Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, Halloween occultism, the average garden variety of Virgin Mary statues and Holy Communion.

At the end of three gospels, it's recorded that Jesus met with his talmidim (disciples) and celebrated the Pesach SEDER (passover seder).  Thus what gentiles refer to as Jesus' last supper is, in fact, a Jewish tradition observing Hebrew flight from bondage in EgyptJews don't believe the SEDER saves anyone, but gentiles have perverted the Jewish tradition to one of their own and affixed some sort of divine approval to it, WHICH IT NEVER HADThe seder is simply an annual celebration of liberty, of freedom from an ancient bondage to slavery in Egypt. 

The seder meal is taken once a year, not every evening as is a common supper.  Thus the gathering of Jesus and His talmidim was the LAST SEDER, not a last picnic lunch.

Holy Communion, by comparison, is celebrated every Sunday at minimum.  Protestant churches celebrate it monthly, but exchange grape juice for wine as a consequence of the American flirtation with Prohibition (look it up).  Thus even the Protestant version of Holy Communion is perverted by secular TRADITION, not that of God or even of the Hebrew people who began it in the first place.

The seder meal is part of a week long Jewish celebration of Passover (Pesach).  It' a tradition that is thousands of years old and is celebrated ONCE A YEAR and is normally celebrated in the HOMES of Jewish families.  Jewish tradition doesn't recognize the seder as anything more than tradition.  It does not save anybody.

Holy Communion is a gentile magic act that purportedly changes common bread and wine (or Welch's grape juice) into the body and blood of Christ.  Taken in this way, Christians assume that communion is efficacious for salvation (a substitute for genuine REPENTANCE and RIGHTEOUS living).  Wars have been fought over it and internal political arguments have gone on for years (is it ok for a woman or gay person to offer communion to a congregation?).

“I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me." - Amos 5:21

God hates it because it is hypocritical traditional and without meaning.  Yet men and women assume it to be of value IN THEIR OWN EYES regardless of ancient Jewish tradition or the LAW of God.   It is a farce.

It is time to REPENT of our SINs and wickedness according to the LAW of God.  It is time to seek God in our hearts and minds and souls, not at a fake dinner table.

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Yes, you are proving yourself illiterate.  What a bunch of gobbledy-gook.

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Re: “The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
« Reply #27 on: Fri Oct 01, 2021 - 09:44:14 »
This is nothing more than another of Buff's "church-versus-assembly" types of diatribes.

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Re: “The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
« Reply #28 on: Fri Oct 01, 2021 - 10:27:46 »
This is nothing more than another of Buff's "church-versus-assembly" types of diatribes.



Supported by the usual; "I'm right, you're wrong" narrative.

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Re: “The Communion” Or The “Lord’s Supper”
« Reply #29 on: Fri Oct 01, 2021 - 14:39:14 »
As usual Biblically illiterate Christians are firmly and devoutly wrong.

Referred to as "the last supper" or "the Lord's supper" by Christians and adopted as a gentile abstraction of Jewish tradition, Holy Communion has been held in high regard for centuries - WITHOUT ANY CHRISTIAN KNOWING OR UNDERSTANDING ITS TRUE MEANING.  It was established by the RCC as religious law, not God's LAW and certified as being of value for salvation - which it isn't.

Let me begin by saying Jewish tradition doesn't save anyone.  Are we agreed on this point?  By extension then NO CHRISTIAN TRADITION will save either.  This includes Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, Halloween occultism, the average garden variety of Virgin Mary statues and Holy Communion.

At the end of three gospels, it's recorded that Jesus met with his talmidim (disciples) and celebrated the Pesach SEDER (passover seder).  Thus what gentiles refer to as Jesus' last supper is, in fact, a Jewish tradition observing Hebrew flight from bondage in EgyptJews don't believe the SEDER saves anyone, but gentiles have perverted the Jewish tradition to one of their own and affixed divine approval to it, WHICH IT NEVER HADThe seder is simply an annual celebration of liberty, of freedom from an ancient bondage to slavery in Egypt. 

The seder meal is taken once a year, not every evening as is a common supper.  Thus the gathering of Jesus and His talmidim was the LAST SEDER, not a last picnic lunch. (*)

Holy Communion, by comparison, is celebrated every Sunday at minimum.  Protestant churches celebrate it monthly, but exchange grape juice for wine as a consequence of the American flirtation with Prohibition (look it up).  Thus even the Protestant version of Holy Communion is twice perverted by secular TRADITION, not that of God or even of the Hebrew people who began it in the first place.

The seder meal is part of a week long Jewish celebration of Passover (Pesach).  It' a tradition that is thousands of years old and is celebrated ONCE A YEAR and is normally celebrated in the HOMES of Jewish families.  Jewish tradition doesn't recognize the seder as anything more than tradition.  It does not save anybody.  The seder is a reminder of deliverance from bondage.  Jesus asked His talmidim to remember His work in the same way.  He affixed no saving grace to the act as the church has done.  We are asked to remember, not to start wars over it.

Holy Communion is a gentile magic act that purportedly changes common bread and wine (or Welch's grape juice) into the body and blood of Christ.  Taken in this way, Christians assume that communion is efficacious for salvation (a substitute for genuine REPENTANCE and RIGHTEOUS living).  Wars have been fought over it and internal religious arguments have raged in our churches for years.  Is it appropriate for a woman or gay person to serve communion to a congregation?  Is this what devotion and worship of God has come to?  It has been diluted by our humanist ideologies and tradition.  We have forgotten the original meaning of the seder.

“I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me." - Amos 5:21

God hates it because it is hypocritical traditional and without meaning.  Yet men and women assume it to be of value IN THEIR OWN EYES regardless of ancient Jewish tradition or the LAW of God.   It is a farce.

Holy Communion is an act of Passive Indifference toward God and thus an act of Active Malice against Him.  It is no substitute for true REPENTANCE and Humility before God.

It is time to REPENT of our SINs and wickedness according to the LAW of God.  It is time to seek God in our hearts and minds and souls, not at a fake dinner table.

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(*) Part of the seder meal acknowledges the hope of the coming of Elijah, who in turn will precede the arrival of ha-Mashiach (messiah, the Christ).  Holy Communion does not recognize the living Messiah, only the dead one BECAUSE THE RCC MASS CRUCIFIES CHRIST -AGAIN- EACH TIME IT IS PERFORMED.  Protestants do the same, though not with the same level of pageantry and spectacle.  Did Christ die once for all (Romans 6:10) or is He killed again and again each time Communion is served?
It would seem you want to confine the Passover to its original meaning.  The entire Passover is a type, meant to point to something more.

It is the "more" that Christendom celebrates, not the Jewish feast.  This seems elementary.

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