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The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« on: April 12, 2010, 03:38:16 AM »
There obviously is a difference.

The 12 Apostles were specially chosen. They too had a hierarchy. (Peter being the lead)

Then outside the Apostles you had the disciples. There were two hundred of them. James, Jesus' half brother, was their lead. Then in the individual communities there was another leader of the local assembly.

Apostles were made by Jesus and God. Man is to make the disciples...not the Apostles. The 11 chose Matthias to replace Judas. And once they did that he went off into obscurity for the most part. They made a list of discerning criteria that they thought were important and then chose a few guys...and then "spun the bottle" to pick one.

 BUT GOD had other ideas.

God chose and made Saul to be an Apostle. The evidence of his Apostleship is much more assured than Matthias' promotion amongst the men.
Even the righteous teacher Apollos agreed that Paul was the Apostle and that he was simply a disciple. Granted he taught thousands....and Paul was busy spending all of his time in jail.  There became dozens of "super apostles" running about telling all kinds of wacked out theologies everywhere. I am sure they weren't unsuccessful either with gaining followers.

An Apostle seems to be more interested in making followers of Jesus than himself. Everyone is a different person...as such they will definitely have a different relationship and gifts than the apostle or disciple will.

Both seem to be "teachers/proclaimers" of the Gospel. So...what is the difference?

But...God makes Apostles and man makes disciples seems to be the rule.

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The difference between Apostle and Disciple
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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 05:57:35 AM »

Ephesians 4:8  We read here that it is Jesus Who gave "gifts unto men."

Ephesians 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

A lot was traditionally used throughout the bible for choosing. Strong's Concordance describes it as "pebbles used for systematically making decisions" or a "thing assigned by casting lots." And you will notice that the word of God does say in Acts 1:26 that Matthais was numbered with the eleven apostles. God gave that gift to Matthais through their casting of a lot.

For instance: Joshua 13:6  All the inhabitants of the hill country from Lebanon unto Misrephothmaim, and all the Sidonians, them will I drive out from before the children of Israel: only divide thou it by lot unto the Israelites for an inheritance, as I have commanded thee.
 
Now a disciple is described in Strong's Concordance as "a learner, pupil," 

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 01:29:21 PM »
But even Apostles stll learn new things about God. So in that respect ummmm. Still lookin for the difference

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 02:02:03 PM »
But even Apostles stll learn new things about God. So in that respect ummmm. Still lookin for the difference


The Apostles are sent forth in a much more "concentrated" form whereas the general disposition of a disciple is that of the discipline in the keeping of The Way/The Faith

An Apostle is not unlike a prophet in that through him Christ often proclaims to those who have not heard and brings to that untouched peoples, the light of the good news.  

A disciple might not ever travel into the nether regions of boondocksville to spread the good news but could very well wind up holed up in the wilderness eating locusts and honey and quieting the passions.  

However, like most things in life there's often an overlapping.  While a prophet for instance might not necessarily be primarily a teacher it's not like they might not teach.  God usually has us on our toes, no?


Disciple = discipline

Apostle = Sent out

Kind of like Ninjas vs Samurai.  One protects the home front the others will pick you off in your own camp before you can say, ninja



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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 04:20:27 PM »
There obviously is a difference.

The 12 Apostles were specially chosen. They too had a hierarchy. (Peter being the lead)

Then outside the Apostles you had the disciples. There were two hundred of them. James, Jesus' half brother, was their lead. Then in the individual communities there was another leader of the local assembly.

Many of your comments about leaders seem to be based more on tradition than scripture.  The Bible tells us that the apostles appointed 'elders' and also refers to them as 'bishops.'  The church in Philippi had a plurality of bishops.

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Apostles were made by Jesus and God. Man is to make the disciples...not the Apostles. The 11 chose Matthias to replace Judas. And once they did that he went off into obscurity for the most part. They made a list of discerning criteria that they thought were important and then chose a few guys...and then "spun the bottle" to pick one.

Were the events of Matthias' ministry any less obscure than those of most of the other 12?  Can you tell me off the top of your head what James the son of Alphaes or Simon the Canaanite did?

The apostles did this after a time when the Lord had opened their eyes to understand the scriptures.  The sin of Achan was determined in the Old Testament by casting lots.

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BUT GOD had other ideas.

God chose and made Saul to be an Apostle. The evidence of his Apostleship is much more assured than Matthias' promotion amongst the men.

From Paul's own letter, we can see that the was not one of the 12.  Judas hanged himself, and then Christ appeared to many disciples-- including the 11 and Matthias.  Paul wrote that Jesus appeared to 'the twelve' BEFORE appearing to him.  By saying this he shows that he was not a part of the 12, and accepted someone else as the 12th apostle.  Paul was not qualified as a witness of Christ from the time of John the Baptist as Matthias apparently was. 

That doesn't diminish Paul's apostleship.  But scripture also refers to Barnabas, who was sent out with Paul, as an apostle (Acts 14:4,14; I Corinthians 9.)

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Even the righteous teacher Apollos agreed that Paul was the Apostle and that he was simply a disciple. Granted he taught thousands....and Paul was busy spending all of his time in jail.

Do you have a source for this?  Be that as it may, Paul wrote about himself and Apollos to the Corinthians, and then refers to himself and Apollos as 'we apostles.' 

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 07:59:53 PM »
A disciple is a student.

An apostle is sent out with a commission to "get er done." 

Job placement is the difference.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2016, 01:26:03 AM »
For instance: Joshua 13:6  All the inhabitants of the hill country from Lebanon unto Misrephothmaim, and all the Sidonians, them will I drive out from before the children of Israel: only divide thou it by lot unto the Israelites for an inheritance, as I have commanded thee.



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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2016, 06:17:46 PM »
There are four different "types" of Apostles written about in scripture.
(1) Jesus Christ was an Apostle. Jesus was a one of a kind Apostle as God gave him the Spirit without "measure".

Heb 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession, 

Apostle meaning "one who is sent, a messenger". Jesus was sent, and a messenger of God to proclaim the Gospel to men. Jesus operated in all five "ministry" gifts as a Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and teacher.

(2) The second type apostle are the "Apostles of the Lamb". The twelve Apostles are in a class of their own. No one else can ever be a Apostle of the Lamb.

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 

These twelve Apostles were sent for to be eyewitnesses of Jesus life, earthly ministry, and resurrection. Their main purpose was to be ministers of the Gospel. They were the first to preach, and teach the Word of God.
The Apostle Paul would not qualify to be one of these Apostles as he did not follow Jesus from the start to the end of his earthly ministry. There have been around twenty people in the Bible that have been called "Apostles", or "sent ones", but only the original twelve are considered an Apostles of the Lamb. There are only twelve foundations that support the heavenly city, not 13 or 14....ect

(3) The third type of Apostle would be the Apostle Paul, who helped lay the "doctrinal" foundation of the New Testament. Paul wrote about half of the New Testament, and the revelations he taught did not come from man.

Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 

The Apostle Paul preached the "revelation" of the Gospel to the early Church saints. We do not need to lay any other foundation which is already laid for us, we are only to build upon that foundation!!

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 

The Apostle Paul tell us this.....

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 

There are no NEW revelations being given to the Church as a "foundation". Paul warned the Church that we are to take heed to how we build upon that which has already been laid. Even though there are no new revelations as foundations to the Church, but there are new revelations about this foundation which we have already been given.

(4) The fourth type of Apostle is the what we have today in the Church. They are sent ones, and their apostleship is in a measure unlike other foundational apostles like the original twelve, and the apostle Paul who laid the very foundation of the Gospel. Epaphroditus was called a "messenger" by Paul. The word, "messenger" means "Apostle". Epaphroditus was not an Apostle in the same sense as Paul or the other twelve apostles were. He was "sent"out as a delegate, or representative, or as the commissioned representative of a congregation. 
Today's Apostles are commissioned by the Holy Spirit to bring a specific message or ministry along a certain scriptural lines to the Body of Christ. These modern day “apostles” would be known as “missionaries” They simply build upon the foundation that has already been laid.
One of the most notable signs of a Apostle is their anointing to teach, and preach the Word of God, and to start or plant new Churches.

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2016, 11:28:19 AM »
What I see, is that the Scriptures tell us that an Apostle is not just the difference between a learner and a teacher, it is a calling and position in the Body of Christ...

Ephesians 4:11
And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,

What are their purposes?...

Ephesians 4:12-14
 12   to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
 13   until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
 14   so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

So, just as there are the Scriptural positions within the church of the pastor and teacher and prophet, which God is the one calling such people into these positions, so also are there apostles today...for God has given them "in the church" meaning that as long as the church is around, they will also be around...

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

Other than that, I think that an apostle is a cross between a missionary (which we never see that "position" mentioned in the Bible) and a preacher/teacher. Although, I have to admit, I have never worked a study on the subject, so.......


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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2016, 01:26:47 PM »
Although, I have to admit, I have never worked a study on the subject, so.......

Well, if you do, it's a case where the Bible borrows from the culture of the day.  The quote below summarizes very well:

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Studying the original language for “apostle” is an interesting exercise. It was a word that was well used before it was ever used in the Bible, so the best tools for understanding the concept are often secular tools. It was never used for religious purposes before Jesus co-opted it for the twelve.

In fact, the word is so unique, that we haven’t even translated it into English. The Greek word is “Apostolos.” All we did was spell it with Roman letters.

The concept of an apostle was something that was invented by the Phoenician empire and used heavily by the Romans. When the Roman army conquered a new nation, a new culture (something they did with remarkable regularity!), the Emperor would send an “apostolos.” It was the name given to the lead ship in a fleet of ships sent from Rome to the new land, and especially for the man – one man – who led that fleet. The fleet – and that man – were carrying the embodiment of Rome with them to the new territory.

The apostle’s job description in Roman culture is functionally the foundation for the apostle’s job in the Church: to bring the home civilization to the new territory. In Rome’s day, the apostle brought Rome’s legal system, education system, language, government, financial systems, entertainment, culture. His job was to make the new culture fit into the Roman empire, to become Roman, to the degree that when Caesar arrived, he’d feel at home in the new territory.

from http://apostlesprophets.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-is-apostle.html


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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2016, 02:46:52 PM »
Although, I have to admit, I have never worked a study on the subject, so.......

Well, if you do, it's a case where the Bible borrows from the culture of the day.  The quote below summarizes very well:

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Studying the original language for “apostle” is an interesting exercise. It was a word that was well used before it was ever used in the Bible, so the best tools for understanding the concept are often secular tools. It was never used for religious purposes before Jesus co-opted it for the twelve.

In fact, the word is so unique, that we haven’t even translated it into English. The Greek word is “Apostolos.” All we did was spell it with Roman letters.

The concept of an apostle was something that was invented by the Phoenician empire and used heavily by the Romans. When the Roman army conquered a new nation, a new culture (something they did with remarkable regularity!), the Emperor would send an “apostolos.” It was the name given to the lead ship in a fleet of ships sent from Rome to the new land, and especially for the man – one man – who led that fleet. The fleet – and that man – were carrying the embodiment of Rome with them to the new territory.

The apostle’s job description in Roman culture is functionally the foundation for the apostle’s job in the Church: to bring the home civilization to the new territory. In Rome’s day, the apostle brought Rome’s legal system, education system, language, government, financial systems, entertainment, culture. His job was to make the new culture fit into the Roman empire, to become Roman, to the degree that when Caesar arrived, he’d feel at home in the new territory.

from http://apostlesprophets.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-is-apostle.html


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Interesting, thanks for sharing!