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The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« on: April 12, 2010, 03:38:16 AM »
There obviously is a difference.

The 12 Apostles were specially chosen. They too had a hierarchy. (Peter being the lead)

Then outside the Apostles you had the disciples. There were two hundred of them. James, Jesus' half brother, was their lead. Then in the individual communities there was another leader of the local assembly.

Apostles were made by Jesus and God. Man is to make the disciples...not the Apostles. The 11 chose Matthias to replace Judas. And once they did that he went off into obscurity for the most part. They made a list of discerning criteria that they thought were important and then chose a few guys...and then "spun the bottle" to pick one.

 BUT GOD had other ideas.

God chose and made Saul to be an Apostle. The evidence of his Apostleship is much more assured than Matthias' promotion amongst the men.
Even the righteous teacher Apollos agreed that Paul was the Apostle and that he was simply a disciple. Granted he taught thousands....and Paul was busy spending all of his time in jail.  There became dozens of "super apostles" running about telling all kinds of wacked out theologies everywhere. I am sure they weren't unsuccessful either with gaining followers.

An Apostle seems to be more interested in making followers of Jesus than himself. Everyone is a different person...as such they will definitely have a different relationship and gifts than the apostle or disciple will.

Both seem to be "teachers/proclaimers" of the Gospel. So...what is the difference?

But...God makes Apostles and man makes disciples seems to be the rule.

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The difference between Apostle and Disciple
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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 05:57:35 AM »

Ephesians 4:8  We read here that it is Jesus Who gave "gifts unto men."

Ephesians 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

A lot was traditionally used throughout the bible for choosing. Strong's Concordance describes it as "pebbles used for systematically making decisions" or a "thing assigned by casting lots." And you will notice that the word of God does say in Acts 1:26 that Matthais was numbered with the eleven apostles. God gave that gift to Matthais through their casting of a lot.

For instance: Joshua 13:6  All the inhabitants of the hill country from Lebanon unto Misrephothmaim, and all the Sidonians, them will I drive out from before the children of Israel: only divide thou it by lot unto the Israelites for an inheritance, as I have commanded thee.
 
Now a disciple is described in Strong's Concordance as "a learner, pupil," 

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 01:29:21 PM »
But even Apostles stll learn new things about God. So in that respect ummmm. Still lookin for the difference

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 02:02:03 PM »
But even Apostles stll learn new things about God. So in that respect ummmm. Still lookin for the difference


The Apostles are sent forth in a much more "concentrated" form whereas the general disposition of a disciple is that of the discipline in the keeping of The Way/The Faith

An Apostle is not unlike a prophet in that through him Christ often proclaims to those who have not heard and brings to that untouched peoples, the light of the good news.  

A disciple might not ever travel into the nether regions of boondocksville to spread the good news but could very well wind up holed up in the wilderness eating locusts and honey and quieting the passions.  

However, like most things in life there's often an overlapping.  While a prophet for instance might not necessarily be primarily a teacher it's not like they might not teach.  God usually has us on our toes, no?


Disciple = discipline

Apostle = Sent out

Kind of like Ninjas vs Samurai.  One protects the home front the others will pick you off in your own camp before you can say, ninja



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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 04:20:27 PM »
There obviously is a difference.

The 12 Apostles were specially chosen. They too had a hierarchy. (Peter being the lead)

Then outside the Apostles you had the disciples. There were two hundred of them. James, Jesus' half brother, was their lead. Then in the individual communities there was another leader of the local assembly.

Many of your comments about leaders seem to be based more on tradition than scripture.  The Bible tells us that the apostles appointed 'elders' and also refers to them as 'bishops.'  The church in Philippi had a plurality of bishops.

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Apostles were made by Jesus and God. Man is to make the disciples...not the Apostles. The 11 chose Matthias to replace Judas. And once they did that he went off into obscurity for the most part. They made a list of discerning criteria that they thought were important and then chose a few guys...and then "spun the bottle" to pick one.

Were the events of Matthias' ministry any less obscure than those of most of the other 12?  Can you tell me off the top of your head what James the son of Alphaes or Simon the Canaanite did?

The apostles did this after a time when the Lord had opened their eyes to understand the scriptures.  The sin of Achan was determined in the Old Testament by casting lots.

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BUT GOD had other ideas.

God chose and made Saul to be an Apostle. The evidence of his Apostleship is much more assured than Matthias' promotion amongst the men.

From Paul's own letter, we can see that the was not one of the 12.  Judas hanged himself, and then Christ appeared to many disciples-- including the 11 and Matthias.  Paul wrote that Jesus appeared to 'the twelve' BEFORE appearing to him.  By saying this he shows that he was not a part of the 12, and accepted someone else as the 12th apostle.  Paul was not qualified as a witness of Christ from the time of John the Baptist as Matthias apparently was. 

That doesn't diminish Paul's apostleship.  But scripture also refers to Barnabas, who was sent out with Paul, as an apostle (Acts 14:4,14; I Corinthians 9.)

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Even the righteous teacher Apollos agreed that Paul was the Apostle and that he was simply a disciple. Granted he taught thousands....and Paul was busy spending all of his time in jail.

Do you have a source for this?  Be that as it may, Paul wrote about himself and Apollos to the Corinthians, and then refers to himself and Apollos as 'we apostles.' 

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Re: The difference between Apostle and Disciple
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 07:59:53 PM »
A disciple is a student.

An apostle is sent out with a commission to "get er done." 

Job placement is the difference.

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