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Offline Gomer

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Re: The Difference Between Belonging and Doing
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2012, 03:01:14 PM »
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What you posted above does not describe biblical belief.  Belief comes by hearing, Rom 10:17, it comes from the heart, Rom 10:9,10 and it can be seen, Mk 2:5.


Funny you stopped short of pointing out that though faith comes by hearing

HEARING COMES BY THE WORD

This means

THE WORD IS THE SOURCE OF FAITH!

And as you know

THE SOURCE OF THE WORD IS GOD!

This means

The Power of Faith is God because God is both the Source of and the object of Faith


Rom 10:17 says faith come by hearing which rules out the idea that one is given faith by God randomly, unconditionally separate and apart from the word.  To have faith one must hear/understand God's word and then believe in his heart, Rom 10:9,10.  So faith begins with hearing and then is developed and comes from within the heart......"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.", Jn 5:24.  One must meet the conditions of hearing and believing  before one can have everlasting life.


Ok so besides jumbling a lot of words together differently ...

What are you saying that is different than

THE WORD IS THE SOURCE OF FAITH!


THE SOURCE OF THE WORD IS GOD!


The Power of Faith is God because God is both the Source of and the object of Faith

My point was that faith does not unconditionally come directly from God apart from hearing the word.

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Re: The Difference Between Belonging and Doing
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Re: The Difference Between Belonging and Doing
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2012, 03:41:15 PM »
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What you posted above does not describe biblical belief.  Belief comes by hearing, Rom 10:17, it comes from the heart, Rom 10:9,10 and it can be seen, Mk 2:5.


Funny you stopped short of pointing out that though faith comes by hearing

HEARING COMES BY THE WORD

This means

THE WORD IS THE SOURCE OF FAITH!

And as you know

THE SOURCE OF THE WORD IS GOD!

This means

The Power of Faith is God because God is both the Source of and the object of Faith


Rom 10:17 says faith come by hearing which rules out the idea that one is given faith by God randomly, unconditionally separate and apart from the word.  To have faith one must hear/understand God's word and then believe in his heart, Rom 10:9,10.  So faith begins with hearing and then is developed and comes from within the heart......"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.", Jn 5:24.  One must meet the conditions of hearing and believing  before one can have everlasting life.


Ok so besides jumbling a lot of words together differently ...

What are you saying that is different than

THE WORD IS THE SOURCE OF FAITH!


THE SOURCE OF THE WORD IS GOD!


The Power of Faith is God because God is both the Source of and the object of Faith

My point was that faith does not unconditionally come directly from God apart from hearing the word.

So who if anyone are you disqualifying?

Who if anyone are you say does not have faith?

I don't understand what you're trying to say any better than it has already been said or any clearer

Why are trying to say what faith is not

When we are discussing what it is?

Why are you presenting a negative when the scripture is presenting a positive?

Faith comes by hearing

Hearing comes by the Word

The Word is from God

Faith comes from God

The Word which is being referred to is not just any Word

Faith won't come by reading about Samson even though there is some Gospel in Samson's story

Faith comes by Hearing the Word of Faith, the Gospel, The Good News of Salvation in Christ

Now the Scripture:

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

Notice: THE GOSPEL IS THE POWER OF GOD FOR SALVATION

That is the Word by which faith comes...The Gospel

It doesn't come by preaching bad news

It doesn't come by preaching the law

It doesn't come by preaching obedience

Faith comes by the Gospel of Christ Jesus which is the Power of God unto Salvation
for everyone who believes

And as you know

When the Gospel is preached

all who are chosen for eternal life became believers.
Acts 13:48
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"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. Acts 20:27

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Re: The Difference Between Belonging and Doing
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2012, 08:47:11 PM »
the church in Sardis

Jesus: "I find that your actions (DOING) do not meet the requirements of my God,

Repent and turn to me again. If you don’t wake up, I will come to you suddenly, as unexpected as a thief.

Yet there are some in the church in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes with evil (DOING what is right in the requirements of God). They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy.

All who are victorious (in DOING Gods will) will be clothed in white. I will never erase (what was that? Did Jesus say ERASE?) their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine (Rev. 3)


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Re: The Difference Between Belonging and Doing
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