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Re: The difference between God's love and man's love
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 10:31:09 AM »
I believe the op and all that have replied have made some great points as to what our walk is and should look like as a believer.
 I do not see the op as  a "legalistic" as one reply suggested, but one who is concerned for those children of God whom still walk in the flesh, and have not fully submitted to the Spirit.
As believers we are commanded to judge other believers, in love, to bring them to repentance. We are not to judge non-believers.
If a child of God is not obeying God, he/she has grieved the Holy Spirit and has no power in Christ, and those walking in God's obedience have the obligation to try and bring that person to repentance or you yourself will be in sin.
 And sometimes that can be done on forums like when we can read that someone is in sin, or teaching something false, because we do not want others who are reading that who maybe immature in Christ, or a non-believer to except such a sin or belief.
seems many here like to cause such division over any teaching that seems like "legalism", when most of it is straight from scripture, so many seem fearful of teachings of obedience, they call it following the "law" and not grace, and that is not what the op is saying at all.
 
if you are not producing fruit for God, submitting to the Spirit you are either not truly saved or you are a carnal Christian that needs to repent.  If you do not repent, and the Holy Spirit has warned you many times, sisters and brothers have warned you many times, the unrepented sinners heart will become hardened, and at this point will not hear the Spirit nor those who are trying to bring him to repentance.
 For those of us who do not believe in the OSAS doctrine this could be the point where the unrepentent person has broken  his covenant with God.
He/she has given up their gift of grace.  But no one but God can make that judgment.
  debrah
I AM more concerned with believers who cant seem to accept that they are loved and wanted and accepted as they are. ::shrug:: Thats what makes me so sad. I used to be like that so I know.
I dont believe that it is the job of anyone here to judge others in that way. The Biblical examples are for the church family to have proccedures for when one of their own is sinning and needs to be challenged. Here we are not in that situation and barely know each other. The problem here is that if anyone disagrees with anyone else, they are sometimes judged, just for disagreeing. Sometimes it seems that there is a general condemnation for anyone who does not see things in exactly the same way as them, instead of accepting that maybe, just maybe, they havent got it all sown up. Also that maybe, just maybe, Gods journey with each of us is different and unique, and that what THEY need at this time, is NOT what others need ::smile:: 

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2012, 11:33:43 AM »
I believe the op and all that have replied have made some great points as to what our walk is and should look like as a believer.
 I do not see the op as  a "legalistic" as one reply suggested, but one who is concerned for those children of God whom still walk in the flesh, and have not fully submitted to the Spirit.
As believers we are commanded to judge other believers, in love, to bring them to repentance. We are not to judge non-believers.
If a child of God is not obeying God, he/she has grieved the Holy Spirit and has no power in Christ, and those walking in God's obedience have the obligation to try and bring that person to repentance or you yourself will be in sin.
 And sometimes that can be done on forums like when we can read that someone is in sin, or teaching something false, because we do not want others who are reading that who maybe immature in Christ, or a non-believer to except such a sin or belief.
seems many here like to cause such division over any teaching that seems like "legalism", when most of it is straight from scripture, so many seem fearful of teachings of obedience, they call it following the "law" and not grace, and that is not what the op is saying at all.
 
if you are not producing fruit for God, submitting to the Spirit you are either not truly saved or you are a carnal Christian that needs to repent.  If you do not repent, and the Holy Spirit has warned you many times, sisters and brothers have warned you many times, the unrepented sinners heart will become hardened, and at this point will not hear the Spirit nor those who are trying to bring him to repentance.
 For those of us who do not believe in the OSAS doctrine this could be the point where the unrepentent person has broken  his covenant with God.
He/she has given up their gift of grace.  But no one but God can make that judgment.

Amen, Debrah, thank God for you, sister, and for a few others around. What an amazing God we serve.

Blessings

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2012, 11:44:48 AM »
The bible does not define love, but describes love, as a action, as in, if one loves one does...keeps instructions, does good, etc:

Really...are you serious?  Paul defines it perfectly in 1Corithians 13...
 
He shows us the most excellent way...
 
1Corinthians 13:4...Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easliy angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protecs, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  8Love never fails...
 
The difference between Gods love and mans can be summed up in that last line in the beginning of vs. 8
 
God's love never fails...
Man's love always fails...
 
The only way we as a child of God can love as Paul defines is through the power of the Holy Spirit...total and absoult surrender to Him.
 
You are right about one thing...feelings are not God's love; God's love is sincere, pure and perfect...something we can never be.

p.s. after reading Fish153 post...I retract that feelings are not God's love; indeed Jesus wept...as He was deeply moved by His love.
 
 
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2012, 12:30:53 PM »
"When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. “Where have you laid him?” he asked.

“Come and see, Lord,” they replied.

Jesus wept.

Then the Jews said, “See how he loved him
!”(John 11:33-36)

Everhope---

Please don't be so quick to say that love is only an action in God's eyes.  God became a man in Jesus Christ---and he wept for his friend.  And the Jews said "See how he loved him!"

Remember, Jesus has FELT and EXPERIENCED all that we as men/women feel and experience. He is well aware of our human weaknesses. He was tempted in all ways that we are, YET WITHOUT SIN.  That is why He is the perfect Mediator between God and man, and is our Great High Priest in Heaven who never ceases to pray for us. God does indeed feel love, as the verses above clearly demonstrate.
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Re: The difference between God's love and man's love
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2012, 01:38:41 PM »
May I ask a few related questions for thought...

Is it equitable for us to say to those who would promote "following commands" out of love that they are legalistic and judgmental, while at the same time accusing those people of "forsaking commands" (like the assembly of believers), judging them as being "outside" of the body of Christ?

Both groups believe in commands to follow in obedience to God, so is it really fair to label one group as "legalistic" without labeling the other group as the same, or should we end the label altogether? We all believe in commands; rules that must be followed out of love, right?

As surely as one group can label the other as "legalistic" - and argue that the old law was done away with - the other group could counter-argue and say that the "command" to assemble together wasn't a command from God at all (a "thus saith the Lord") but was a plea by Paul for those persecuted members to remain united during their trial, while the commands from God are actual rules that Christ said do not pass away as long as heaven and earth remained and until ALL is fulfilled (and Christ's Revelation Book proves there are some that remaining to be fulfilled).

One could go even further and point out that many (though not all) of those who promote "assembling together" as a command also promote "paying tithes" as an active command...even though paying tithes was a part of the same old law that is argued as being "done away with", and even while Paul (the same who said "assemble together") says give whatever your heart tells you to give, whether money or not money; freely give whatever gift you have (Romans 12:6-9; 2 Corinthians 9:5-15). And yet for some, the mere thought of NOT paying tithes places them in fear of God's curses/wrath even though they have no fear of curses/wrath by not following God's other old commands. Was every law nailed to the cross except for the law about money?

Now I'm not saying assembling together or giving isn't important, I actually do both (though not in/to a church building)...but I think it's more important for all of us to be consistent with commands, isn't it (be Hot or Cold)?

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But back to the topic, if I were to step back and ask, "true or false: 'loving God is to follow his commandments', is scriptural and is in the New Testiment", the answer would be "true". Is that answer judgmental? No...it's just a fact, and yet, some may feel judged by reading that fact.

And if I were to ask, "true or false: the saints of the end times (from Revelation...which many of us believe we're in or about to be in) are those who keep both God's commandments and Christ's testimony (Rev 12:17; 14:12)", the answer would be "true". Is that answer judgmental? No...it's just a fact, but still, some may feel judged by reading that fact and so respond with a defense against the person answering or drawing attention to the fact.

But what or who is really doing the judging?

Are we claiming that "anyone who would merely bring up the fact that scripture says loving God is following his commandments or that the end time saints are those who keep God's commandments AND Christ's Testimony, is - by default - judging another person"?

[which suggests that bringing up ANY fact is being "judgmental" because it offends someone, and so no one should profess ANY truth.]



...Or, is it the scriptures themselves that are judging us? The Holy Spirit alone convicting us (with complete authority to do so)?

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2012, 02:55:22 PM »
The difference between God´s love and man´s love...

Good question!

Too bad the thread is about the law (not that I´m surprised).

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2012, 02:55:47 PM »
I believe the op and all that have replied have made some great points as to what our walk is and should look like as a believer.
 I do not see the op as  a "legalistic" as one reply suggested, but one who is concerned for those children of God whom still walk in the flesh, and have not fully submitted to the Spirit.
She thinks not observing the sabbath is walking according to the flesh.
She thinks taking her children to their father on saturday is sin because a professional is present.

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2012, 02:59:35 PM »
The difference between God´s love and man´s love...

Good question!

Too bad the thread is about the law (not that I´m surprised).
Nor me really. ::shrug:: .

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2012, 08:20:05 PM »
Some one asked for scriptural evidence for my statement that God's love is different than our feelings-led love.

Here we go:

   Once God has spoken;
      twice have I heard this:
   that power belongs to God,
      and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
   For you will render to a man
      according to his work.
(Psalm 62:11-12 ESV)

   For you, O Lord, are good and forgiving,
      abounding in steadfast love to all who call upon you.
(Psalm 86:5 ESV)

   The LORD is merciful and gracious,
      slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.
(Psalm 103:8 ESV)

   “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
(Malachi 3:6 ESV)

God's love is steadfast, unchanging, self-less, man's love is selfish, based on feelings, emotions, we love one hour and hate the next, hence unstable, because feelings are unstable, our love is selective and blind.

The bible does not define love, but describes love, as a action, as in, if one loves one does...keeps instructions, does good, etc:

   Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
(John 15:13 ESV)

Action, sacrifice, not a feeling, an emotion or words.

   Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(Romans 13:10 ESV)

...this does not say fulfilling half or some of the law either lol

lol No matter what I am trying to say all paths lead to the law always.

Anyway, yes, there are evidence of God's love, in order to compare/contrast with man's love just look at yourself and see the difference.

Example of God's love:

   As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
(John 15:9-10 ESV)

Man's love:

I love you Lord. I love you I love you I love you.
What law, don't put me under any law, it's too hard, plus it's legalism, oh, and Jesus kept it for me, I will offend Him if I try keeping it too lol *thinks of other reasons of why the law is bad* Oh yes, haven't you read Galatians? The law does not save, but I love you Lord, I love you I love you I love you.

Action vs words. Love vs emotion/feeling. Steadfast vs crazy lol

Blessings

Everhope





You go Everhope!!

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2012, 08:27:02 PM »
Well, that is really sad IMO.
You honestly feel that all paths lead to law always?
 
The ultimate example of God's love is this:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
 
I think when any one of us is starts patting ourselves on the back for how "right" our love for God looks, we should measure ourselves by the above standard.  Who will be first to place their child up for sacrifice to save someone here?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

To keep God's law shows our love for Him and His Word to us shows His love for us.
Man loves for selfish reasons and emotionally, flip floppy, meaning you can't count on it as Everhope said. But God loves faithfully and in truth by giving us what is BEST FOR US, without hesitation.
I admire the way you honor the Lord Everhope and I am sure He notices your desire to please Him.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2012, 08:30:16 PM »
I'm sure thankful I don't have to try to keep any ol' law lol.   Only Jesus can do that in me.  That's why I'm free from the law, because Jesus already kept it.   Now that He is in me and I in Him, I see Him keeping the Law in my flesh perfectly :)   Praising Jesus Forever!(2Co 3:2)  *Ye* are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read of all men,

(2Co 3:3)
  being manifested to be Christ's epistle ministered by us, written, not with ink, but the Spirit of the living God; not on stone tables, but on fleshy tables of the heart.

(2Co 3:4)
  And such confidence have we through the Christ towards God:

(2Co 3:5)
  not that we are competent of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves, but our competency is of God;

 

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2012, 08:32:44 PM »
Some one asked for scriptural evidence for my statement that God's love is different than our feelings-led love.

Here we go:

   Once God has spoken;
      twice have I heard this:
   that power belongs to God,
      and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
   For you will render to a man
      according to his work.
(Psalm 62:11-12 ESV)

   For you, O Lord, are good and forgiving,
      abounding in steadfast love to all who call upon you.
(Psalm 86:5 ESV)

   The LORD is merciful and gracious,
      slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.
(Psalm 103:8 ESV)

   “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
(Malachi 3:6 ESV)

God's love is steadfast, unchanging, self-less, man's love is selfish, based on feelings, emotions, we love one hour and hate the next, hence unstable, because feelings are unstable, our love is selective and blind.

The bible does not define love, but describes love, as a action, as in, if one loves one does...keeps instructions, does good, etc:

   Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
(John 15:13 ESV)

Action, sacrifice, not a feeling, an emotion or words.

   Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(Romans 13:10 ESV)

...this does not say fulfilling half or some of the law either lol

lol No matter what I am trying to say all paths lead to the law always.

Anyway, yes, there are evidence of God's love, in order to compare/contrast with man's love just look at yourself and see the difference.

Example of God's love:

   As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
(John 15:9-10 ESV)

Man's love:

I love you Lord. I love you I love you I love you.
What law, don't put me under any law, it's too hard, plus it's legalism, oh, and Jesus kept it for me, I will offend Him if I try keeping it too lol *thinks of other reasons of why the law is bad* Oh yes, haven't you read Galatians? The law does not save, but I love you Lord, I love you I love you I love you.

Action vs words. Love vs emotion/feeling. Steadfast vs crazy lol

Blessings

Everhope





You go Everhope!!

You go Everhope?  I don't think so.  Please re-read post #19.  Scripture clearly shows that God through Jesus "feels" love.  Read it, and you will clearly see that "Jesus wept" for his friend, and for his two sorrowing sisters.  Did we forget that God became a man and walked this earth?  Did we forget that Jesus experienced all that we experience, and is well aware of our feelings, and our failures?  How God-dishonoring to teach differently.

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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2012, 08:34:32 PM »
Well, that is really sad IMO.
You honestly feel that all paths lead to law always?
 
The ultimate example of God's love is this:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
 
I think when any one of us is starts patting ourselves on the back for how "right" our love for God looks, we should measure ourselves by the above standard.  Who will be first to place their child up for sacrifice to save someone here?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

To keep God's law shows our love for Him and His Word to us shows His love for us.
Man loves for selfish reasons and emotionally, flip floppy, meaning you can't count on it as Everhope said. But God loves faithfully and in truth by giving us what is BEST FOR US, without hesitation.
I admire the way you honor the Lord Everhope and I am sure He notices your desire to please Him.
I repeat:
The ultimate example of God's love is this:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
 
No one is saying our fallible human love is even close to the agape love that God has and is! (God is love, after all!) Who else would offer their own child for the salvation of the world? Not me! Not you! Not Everhope!  God's love is amazing! ::clappingoverhead:: And, though we fail Him and fall short of His glory, He still proudly calls those that call upon His name His own.  ::smile::
 

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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2012, 08:35:19 PM »
Some one asked for scriptural evidence for my statement that God's love is different than our feelings-led love.

Here we go:

   Once God has spoken;
      twice have I heard this:
   that power belongs to God,
      and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
   For you will render to a man
      according to his work.
(Psalm 62:11-12 ESV)

   For you, O Lord, are good and forgiving,
      abounding in steadfast love to all who call upon you.
(Psalm 86:5 ESV)

   The LORD is merciful and gracious,
      slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love.
(Psalm 103:8 ESV)

   “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
(Malachi 3:6 ESV)

God's love is steadfast, unchanging, self-less, man's love is selfish, based on feelings, emotions, we love one hour and hate the next, hence unstable, because feelings are unstable, our love is selective and blind.

The bible does not define love, but describes love, as a action, as in, if one loves one does...keeps instructions, does good, etc:

   Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
(John 15:13 ESV)

Action, sacrifice, not a feeling, an emotion or words.

   Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(Romans 13:10 ESV)

...this does not say fulfilling half or some of the law either lol

lol No matter what I am trying to say all paths lead to the law always.

Anyway, yes, there are evidence of God's love, in order to compare/contrast with man's love just look at yourself and see the difference.

Example of God's love:

   As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
(John 15:9-10 ESV)

Man's love:

I love you Lord. I love you I love you I love you.
What law, don't put me under any law, it's too hard, plus it's legalism, oh, and Jesus kept it for me, I will offend Him if I try keeping it too lol *thinks of other reasons of why the law is bad* Oh yes, haven't you read Galatians? The law does not save, but I love you Lord, I love you I love you I love you.

Action vs words. Love vs emotion/feeling. Steadfast vs crazy lol

Blessings

Everhope





You go Everhope!!

You go Everhope?  I don't think so.  Please re-read post #19.  Scripture clearly shows that God through Jesus "feels" love.  Read it, and you will clearly see that "Jesus wept" for his friend, and for his two sorrowing sisters.  Did we forget that God became a man and walked this earth?  Did we forget that Jesus experienced all that we experience, and is well aware of our feelings, and our failures?  How God-dishonoring to teach differently.

::nodding::   ::amen!::

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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2012, 09:07:51 PM »
Well, that is really sad IMO.
You honestly feel that all paths lead to law always?
 
The ultimate example of God's love is this:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
 
I think when any one of us is starts patting ourselves on the back for how "right" our love for God looks, we should measure ourselves by the above standard.  Who will be first to place their child up for sacrifice to save someone here?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

To keep God's law shows our love for Him and His Word to us shows His love for us.
Man loves for selfish reasons and emotionally, flip floppy, meaning you can't count on it as Everhope said. But God loves faithfully and in truth by giving us what is BEST FOR US, without hesitation.
I admire the way you honor the Lord Everhope and I am sure He notices your desire to please Him.
I repeat:
The ultimate example of God's love is this:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
 
No one is saying our fallible human love is even close to the agape love that God has and is! (God is love, after all!) Who else would offer their own child for the salvation of the world? Not me! Not you! Not Everhope!  God's love is amazing! ::clappingoverhead:: And, though we fail Him and fall short of His glory, He still proudly calls those that call upon His name His own.  ::smile::
 

Amen!   ::clappingoverhead::