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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #70 on: Wed Dec 02, 2020 - 12:53:20 »
But didn’t the Lord say He was the Lord of a specific day? Lord of the Sabbath?

He's the Lord of all 7 days. 

If you are convinced of the Sabbath, why are you still part of a Church of Christ congregation?

Romans 14

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.


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16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #71 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 05:44:33 »
You guys keep on keeping Saturn's Day.  I will meet with other Christians on the Lord's Day. ::nodding::
On a day named after the Sun god.  Great.

BTW - that is a christian myth that "the Lord's day" from Rev 1 is a Sunday. The Greek is kinda strange in trying to render it in English as it is a descriptor. It would come out (more properly) as something like "Lordy day," but that construction is not supported in english.  So the KJV translators chose the possessive case, making it "The Day of the Lord."  Go look that phrase up if you dare.   

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« Reply #72 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 05:57:07 »
So much of the confusion on this subject is due to the fact that far too many think that the Sabbath, and the meeting on the first day week (Acts 20:7), were set aside by God as a "day of worship".  That is simply not the case.

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« Reply #73 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 06:33:58 »
On a day named after the Sun god.  Great.

BTW - that is a christian myth that "the Lord's day" from Rev 1 is a Sunday. The Greek is kinda strange in trying to render it in English as it is a descriptor. It would come out (more properly) as something like "Lordy day," but that construction is not supported in english.  So the KJV translators chose the possessive case, making it "The Day of the Lord."  Go look that phrase up if you dare.

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« Reply #74 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 06:48:50 »
So much of the confusion on this subject is due to the fact that far too many think that the Sabbath, and the meeting on the first day week (Acts 20:7), were set aside by God as a "day of worship".  That is simply not the case.
The Sabbath WAS set aside by God as a day of worship.  Read the first part of Leviticus23.

As to Acts 20.7, that was a havdalah service which closes out the sabbath.

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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #76 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 07:06:39 »
Intentional misspelling.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Today at 06:33:58
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FYI:
https://englishlive.ef.com/blog/language-lab/origins-behind-english-weekday-names/

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I like it and believe it needs to be changed.

Any ideas on how that could be done?

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« Reply #78 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 07:21:43 »
The Sabbath WAS set aside by God as a day of worship.  Read the first part of Leviticus23.
Even the word "worship" is to be found nowhere in the whole of Leviticus.  I would argue that there is nowhere in the whole of the Bible that ever refers to "a day of worship".  We have, I believe, seriously damaged even the concept of worship in calling Sunday [or the Sabbath] a day of worship.  Far too many people go to church for an hour or two on Sunday and think they have "worshipped" God.  Worship is something that we need to do at any time of the day, the week, the month or the year. One may indeed worship on Sunday [or the Sabbath], but that is not to the exclusion of any other day or time.
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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #79 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 07:25:13 »
The Sabbath WAS set aside by God as a day of worship.  Read the first part of Leviticus23.

As to Acts 20.7, that was a havdalah service which closes out the sabbath.

Don't see "havdalah" in there anywhere.

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« Reply #80 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 07:30:21 »
Don't see "havdalah" in there anywhere.
You won't.  It means "separation" and was a service to mark the end of the sabbath.  None of the specific services are listed in scripture.

I don't see "Sunday School" in there either.

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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #81 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 07:47:19 »
You won't.  It means "separation" and was a service to mark the end of the sabbath.  None of the specific services are listed in scripture.

I don't see "Sunday School" in there either.

I don't see anybody insisting that "Sunday School" was what happened in Acts 20 though.  There's the difference.

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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #83 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 08:42:26 »
I see. So you insist that it was NOT a havdalah service because that word is not used?

For your study:
https://ladderofjacob.com/2016/01/25/havdalah/

https://www.ourancientpaths.org/post/2016/12/28/a-long-winded-preacher-and-motzaei-shabbat

http://otbg.blogspot.com/2006/03/breaking-bread-on-sunday.html

http://whitefeatherministries.com/temple-201-to-worship-conclusion/


I insist that it doesn't matter whether it was or not.  If it was important enough, God would have had it included in the text.

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« Reply #84 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 10:02:42 »
Even the word "worship" is to be found nowhere in the whole of Leviticus.  I would argue that there is nowhere in the whole of the Bible that ever refers to "a day of worship".  We have, I believe, seriously damaged even the concept of worship in calling Sunday [or the Sabbath] a day of worship.  Far too many people go to church for an hour or two on Sunday and think they have "worshipped" God.  Worship is something that we need to do at any time of the day, the week, the month or the year. One may indeed worship on Sunday [or the Sabbath], but that is not to the exclusion of any other day or time.

The entire religious tradition of building shrines of worship, places of worship, are ancient religious traditions of men beginning as far back a Babel.

There was only one temple made of wood and stone ever sanctioned by the God of the Bible. And that was provided certain guidelines were met.

1 Kings 9:1 And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,

2 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.

3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:

5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

The builder that built the one and only sanctioned temple of wood and stone in the entire Bible corrupted it, and God left. He only returned to save those folks the "Builders" had led astray many years later in the person of Jesus.

It is a hard pill to swallow that a religious or religious tradition that our families and countries have been living by for centuries are not from God but from the "other voice" in the garden. Abraham was called away from these worldly traditions as it is written "Abraham departed, as the Lord had spoken to him".

If a man, truly seeking the invisible God who is looking for folks to worship HIM in spirit and truth, could just "Be ye separate" and touch not the unclean thing, God would as promised, reveal Himself to them. If they could just take a leap of Faith, and trust all that is written, not just a few words of God quoted like the serpent did to Eve, their perspective would change.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

You are right on this point 4WD. There is no directive to find a shrine of worship to honor the God of the Bible. It's an ancient religious tradition of men, copied by the Jews, then the Catholic's, then the entire mainstream religious apparatus on the planet. This is why the Christ of the bible inspired it to be written "Come out of her my people".

But as Isaiah says "1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

Good point 4WD.










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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #85 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 10:20:43 »
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The entire religious tradition of building shrines of worship, places of worship, are ancient religious traditions of men beginning as far back a Babel.
There was only one temple made of wood and stone ever sanctioned by the God of the Bible. And that was provided certain guidelines were met.

As rabbi A.J. Heschel has demonstrated, the Sabbath is a temple in TIME instead of space.  "not made by human hands"

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« Reply #86 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 11:20:51 »
As rabbi A.J. Heschel has demonstrated, the Sabbath is a temple in TIME instead of space.  "not made by human hands"

Then, according to this random theologian, is the Commandment "Thou Shall Love thy neighbor as thyself" also a temple in Time instead of space, "not made by human hands"?

If this is true about God's Holy Sabbath Commandment, then would it also be true about EVERY Commandment "not made by human hands"?






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« Reply #87 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 11:47:52 »
Then, according to this random theologian, is the Commandment "Thou Shall Love thy neighbor as thyself" also a temple in Time instead of space, "not made by human hands"?
If this is true about God's Holy Sabbath Commandment, then would it also be true about EVERY Commandment "not made by human hands"?
Going a bit off topic there.

Is there a time-specific biblical element with any of those commands?  If not, then NO.

And Abraham Joshua Heschel is not just some "random theologian."  He is universally acknowledged as important across all branches of Judaism, from the ultra-Orthodox  to Reform and Reconstructionist.  He grew up as the son and heir-apparent of the leader of the Apter chassidic order. He married the daughter of the leader of another chassidic order - Kotzker I think. His writings are must-read in almost every Jewish seminary.

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« Reply #88 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 13:52:38 »
Going a bit off topic there.

Is there a time-specific biblical element with any of those commands?  If not, then NO.

And Abraham Joshua Heschel is not just some "random theologian."  He is universally acknowledged as important across all branches of Judaism, from the ultra-Orthodox  to Reform and Reconstructionist.  He grew up as the son and heir-apparent of the leader of the Apter chassidic order. He married the daughter of the leader of another chassidic order - Kotzker I think. His writings are must-read in almost every Jewish seminary.

Gameliel was also a very respected theologian which taught the greatest Jewish religious minds of Paul's time.

The end result of his great theology was the promotion of a religion that the Great Levite, John the Baptist himself, called Vipers, and Jeshua Himself called Gameliel's students, children of the devil.

No doubt Eve also placed a lot of weight on the other voice in the garden of her time, who also quoted some of the Words of God just as the Great Theologians of this world have done.

And yet, in all Holy Scripture, the Temple of God was symbolically a place for the Oracles of God to be held in. To the extent that the God of Abraham Himself said "After those days, "I will write MY LAWS in your mind". The Sabbath of God is said to be part of the Oracles of God, not a temple which contains them.

I understand the ancient religious tradition of following the religious philosophies of religious men. The Catholic's have their theologians, Protestants have theirs, Calvin, Luther, they come in all religious franchises of the world today, and the Holy Scriptures show us the dangers in this practice from it's beginning, if folks could just believe what is written.

In respect, a religious teacher of a popular Jewish seminary can not save me, not give me light. God has already given me the teachers, and HIS son has told me to "Do and observe" all they tell me. Just don't do as the religious men who are reading the Oracles of God to me do, for they "SAY" but do not do.

 





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« Reply #89 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 18:45:48 »
So much of the confusion on this subject is due to the fact that far too many think that the Sabbath, and the meeting on the first day week (Acts 20:7), were set aside by God as a "day of worship".  That is simply not the case.
Thank God someone gets it.

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« Reply #90 on: Thu Dec 03, 2020 - 18:50:26 »
The Sabbath WAS set aside by God as a day of worship.  Read the first part of Leviticus23.
Leviticus 23 says no such thing.  The word worship does not appear there. 

The word "service" appears there 6 times, though.  It says "you shall do no servile work" six times.

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« Reply #91 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 05:32:08 »
Leviticus 23 says no such thing.  The word worship does not appear there. 
The word "service" appears there 6 times, though.  It says "you shall do no servile work" six times.
Lev 23:1  The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

Its right there: Holy Convocation.  You come together to worship. 

We do not come together to play cards or watch football.  We have an appointment with God to be with HIM.  That is worship.

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« Reply #92 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:10:52 »
My congregation meets according to Leviticus 23:7.   ::smile::


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« Reply #93 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:16:10 »
Lev 23:1  The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

Its right there: Holy Convocation.  You come together to worship. 

We do not come together to play cards or watch football.  We have an appointment with God to be with HIM.  That is worship.
You, like too many today, have a rather warped view of what it means to worship God.  You are right; we do not come together to play cars or watch football, we come together, or at least we should, as described of the very first Christians who "were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer" (Acts 2:42)  Worship may well be a part of that, but certainly is not the major part of our coming together.

One of my pet peeves is the labelling of those who lead the singing on Sunday morning as "the worship team". That is almost nonsensical.

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« Reply #94 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:18:38 »
My congregation meets according to Leviticus 23:7.   ::smile::
? ? ?   You meet ONLY on the 15th of Nissan, the first day of Feast of Unleavened Bread?  (the next one is March 28, 2021 btw)

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« Reply #95 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:22:26 »
You, like too many today, have a rather warped view of what it means to worship God.  You are right; we do not come together to play cars or watch football, we come together, or at least we should, as described of the very first Christians who "were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer" (Acts 2:42)  Worship may well be a part of that, but certainly is not the major part of our coming together.

One of my pet peeves is the labeling of those who lead the singing on Sunday morning as "the worship team". That is almost nonsensical.
Worship is ANYTHING you do that gives HIM "worth."  That Honors HIM.  The very act of coming together before HIM certainly is that.

And as one who has "led singing" for over 40 years, I can agree with your pet peeve. Worship is so much more than just that. IT is supposed to encompass everything we say and do.

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« Reply #96 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:28:27 »
? ? ?   You meet ONLY on the 15th of Nissan, the first day of Feast of Unleavened Bread?  (the next one is March 28, 2021 btw)

No, on the FIRST day.   rofl

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« Reply #97 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:30:28 »
No, on the FIRST day.   rofl
Hey - I was just trying to bring something into the conversation that was missing: CONTEXT.   ::smile::

That requires the question First day of WHUT???

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« Reply #98 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 06:52:49 »
Worship is ANYTHING you do that gives HIM "worth."  That Honors HIM.  The very act of coming together before HIM certainly is that.
Yes in part, but that should not be the main purpose for why we come together.  ....let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.  Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near (Heb 10:22-25).

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« Reply #99 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 07:01:22 »
Yes in part, but that should not be the main purpose for why we come together.
WHAT exactly "should not be the main purpose for why we come together?" 

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Lev 23:1  The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

Its right there: Holy Convocation.  You come together to worship. 

We do not come together to play cards or watch football.  We have an appointment with God to be with HIM.  That is worship.

There is no directive from God to meet together in some man made shrine of worship, or gather together around some man made alter, to honor His Sabbath.

Ex. 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Even when the only God of Abraham sanctioned temple ever built with wood and stone was completed, there was no directive to gather together there for Sabbath Worship.

! Kings 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

47 Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness;

48 And so return unto thee with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, which led them away captive, and pray unto thee toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, the city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name:

49 Then hear thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven thy dwelling place, and maintain their cause,

The Biblical Truth of the Holy scriptures is clear. There is no directive from God to create huge religious businesses in God's Name to worship HIM. The one Temple built by man was corrupted because the man that built it filled it with religious doctrines and traditions of man.

Yashua knew this and told HIS People not to partake in these popular religious traditions.

Matt. 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

When faithful men of God Honor His instruction to cease from servile work on His Holy Sabbath day, that is the holy Convocation. Men around the world, scattered among the nations, submitting to the righteousness of the Great God of Abraham, and His Seed who has provided for their Atonement with His own Blood.

There is no instruction to build shrines of worship in every town on the planet, fill it with religious images, or images of God in the likeness of men, and religious doctrines and traditions of men, then gather together in this man made temple to worship.

The only instruction to do so comes from this worlds great theologians, not from "Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God" that The Messiah teaches we should live by.

Do these Biblical Truths matter?

Well it seems we must first acknowledge them before this question can be answered.












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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #101 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 08:19:15 »
Worship is ANYTHING you do that gives HIM "worth."  That Honors HIM.  The very act of coming together before HIM certainly is that.

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart (mind) is far from me. (where the oracles of God are to be written)

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Please consider all the statements you have made so far here which directly contradict the Holy scriptures. They may seem small if singled out, but when combined they create an entirely new doctrine.

How can I give God, who created me, Worth? How does promoting man made religious doctrines and traditions Honor Him?

The Jews gathered together in Worship of Him in their man made Temples every Sabbath for Centuries. How many did they "Turn to the God of Abraham?"

How is it modern men man practice the exact same religious traditions and bring Honor to Him now, when this same practice caused Him to reject them in the Holy Scriptures?

1 Cor. 9:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Shall we not learn from the examples God had written for our admonition?

Shall we don't openly discuss them among the brethren? Or will we simply defend the other voice in the garden?






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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #102 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 08:50:29 »
Yes in part, but that should not be the main purpose for why we come together.  ....let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.  Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near (Heb 10:22-25).

Good point 4WD. I would add that assembling together with the "Congregation of the Lord" would include the Prophets God gave us HIS "Way of the Lord" through. And choosing their words instead to listening to the Gamaliels and the Calvins, and the Pinks of this world, which are held in high regard by many religions of this land over the centuries.

AS Paul also warns.

2 Cor. 11:10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.

11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I don't believe the Hebrews Author is suggesting we practice "assembling together" with folks simply because they claim the God of Abraham as their God. Especially since we have the Oracles of God in our homes and in our minds now as the Christ promised in the New Covenant.

Of course this mindset doesn't encourage or promote the huge business religion itself has become. Or the Word's of the Christ Himself who says His Brothers and Sisters, the Congregation of the Lord, are those who do the will of God.

But it is my Hope, that faith in Him and his Word's will carry me through, IF I endure to the end. (of my earthly life)


1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.





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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #103 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 08:54:33 »
Lev 23:1  The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

Its right there: Holy Convocation.  You come together to worship. 

We do not come together to play cards or watch football.  We have an appointment with God to be with HIM.  That is worship.
No, that isn't what the word means.

Look up the Hebrew word.  Actually, I'll save you the trouble... that word means "reading out loud."

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7121&t=KJV

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Re: The fourth commandment ~ Sabbath
« Reply #104 on: Fri Dec 04, 2020 - 09:33:46 »
No, that isn't what the word means.

Look up the Hebrew word.  Actually, I'll save you the trouble... that word means "reading out loud."

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7121&t=KJV

https://www.hebrewversity.com/feasts-lord-hebrew-meaning-holy-convocation/

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‘Holy convocations’ appears in the original Hebrew as ‘Mikra’ei Kodesh’ {מקראי קודש} (or ‘Mikra Kodesh’ {מקרא קודש} in the singular form) and can be found in the biblical description of almost every holy day.

The English translation of this Hebrew term is based on the appearance of this phrase once more in the Book of Isaiah:

“New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations– I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.” (Isaiah 1:13).

The Hebrew root of the word ‘Mikra’ {מקרא} is K-R-A {ק-ר-א} and the Hebrew learners will probably recognize this root by its other meanings: ‘reading’ and especially ‘calling’ as in the basic Hebrew question ‘E’ch Koreim Lech’? {איך קוראים לך} (‘what is your name?’ but literally means ‘how do they CALL you?’)

This is why it is no surprise to discover the word ‘proclaim’ in the English translation appears as ‘Tikre’u’ {תקראו} in the original Hebrew – derived from the same root as ‘mikra’ (K-R-A) and means ‘call’ .

Having said all of that, what is the REAL meaning of the Hebrew word ‘Mikra’ei’? Is it ‘convocations’ (like the English translation) or calling or reading? Or perhaps it is ‘proclaiming’?

The answer is ALL of the above!

 

     
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