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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #135 on: April 11, 2012, 12:59:50 PM »
Jude destroys what you believe. 

LOL!  Now that's funny!  ::noworries::

I've notice you have not been able to give a response to what Jude said.

yes I did...you just dismissed it.  ::smile::

and Jude 1:24-25 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Bout sums it up, eh?

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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #136 on: April 11, 2012, 01:00:52 PM »
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So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

You CANNOT take what is written and annex it and annotate it with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios, what if's and maybe's based on human wisdom and still believe it is the same Gospel of Christ!

THERE IS NO "WHAT IF" PETER CONTINUED TO DENY JESUS HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT ISN'T WRITTEN

WHAT HAPPENED IS JESUS LOVED HIM BACK INTO THE FOLD

BY HAVING HIM PROFESS HIS LOVE FOR JESUS

Changing the ending into a what if game of logic is

nothing but dumb human reasoning twisting God's word to fit into human understanding



So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

Why do you refuse to answer simple 'yes' or 'no' questions I ask?  If you really believe in ES then you would answer "yes".  Are you afraid to answer 'yes'?

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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #136 on: April 11, 2012, 01:00:52 PM »

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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #137 on: April 11, 2012, 01:03:35 PM »
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So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

You CANNOT take what is written and annex it and annotate it with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios, what if's and maybe's based on human wisdom and still believe it is the same Gospel of Christ!

THERE IS NO "WHAT IF" PETER CONTINUED TO DENY JESUS HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT ISN'T WRITTEN

WHAT HAPPENED IS JESUS LOVED HIM BACK INTO THE FOLD

BY HAVING HIM PROFESS HIS LOVE FOR JESUS

Changing the ending into a what if game of logic is

nothing but dumb human twisting God's word to fit into human understanding

Manna to you sir!!!

Jude 1:24 to Him who is able to keep you from falling and present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy-

Jesus is ABLE to keep us from falling and presents us before His glorious presence without fault and with GREAT joy!!!  ::clappingoverhead::



Able does not mean a unconditional guaranteed certainty.

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« Reply #137 on: April 11, 2012, 01:03:35 PM »

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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #138 on: April 11, 2012, 01:06:48 PM »
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So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

You CANNOT take what is written and annex it and annotate it with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios, what if's and maybe's based on human wisdom and still believe it is the same Gospel of Christ!

THERE IS NO "WHAT IF" PETER CONTINUED TO DENY JESUS HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT ISN'T WRITTEN

WHAT HAPPENED IS JESUS LOVED HIM BACK INTO THE FOLD

BY HAVING HIM PROFESS HIS LOVE FOR JESUS

Changing the ending into a what if game of logic is

nothing but dumb human twisting God's word to fit into human understanding

Manna to you sir!!!

Jude 1:24 to Him who is able to keep you from falling and present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy-

Jesus is ABLE to keep us from falling and presents us before His glorious presence without fault and with GREAT joy!!!  ::clappingoverhead::



Able does not mean a unconditional guaranteed certainty.

yeah  ::idea::...maybe Jude should have said that then..."To Him who is able to (but wont' necessarily unconditionally guarantee it...He is just "able" *if* you are a good enough little boy or girl and in being so, don't really need to be kept from falling anyway, cause you are doing it all on your own goodness) keep us from falling...


 ::frown:: SOOOO sad!!!
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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #139 on: April 11, 2012, 01:18:59 PM »
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So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

You CANNOT take what is written and annex it and annotate it with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios, what if's and maybe's based on human wisdom and still believe it is the same Gospel of Christ!

THERE IS NO "WHAT IF" PETER CONTINUED TO DENY JESUS HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT ISN'T WRITTEN

WHAT HAPPENED IS JESUS LOVED HIM BACK INTO THE FOLD

BY HAVING HIM PROFESS HIS LOVE FOR JESUS

Changing the ending into a what if game of logic is

nothing but dumb human twisting God's word to fit into human understanding

Manna to you sir!!!

Jude 1:24 to Him who is able to keep you from falling and present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy-

Jesus is ABLE to keep us from falling and presents us before His glorious presence without fault and with GREAT joy!!!  ::clappingoverhead::



Able does not mean a unconditional guaranteed certainty.

yeah  ::idea::...maybe Jude should have said that then..."To Him who is able to (but wont' necessarily unconditionally guarantee it...He is just "able" *if* you are a good enough little boy or girl and in being so, don't really need to be kept from falling anyway, cause you are doing it all on your own goodness) keep us from falling...


 ::frown:: SOOOO sad!!!

"...to Him who will unconditonally guarantee to keep you from falling and present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy-"


You read this verse with ES glasses on.  

And this this has nothing to do, nor undo what Jude said in commanding them to keep themselves in the love of God.


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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #140 on: April 11, 2012, 01:35:59 PM »
"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,  and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will". (2 Tim. 2:24-26)

Hey, wait a second. Let me read that again. You mean if God doesn't "grant" repentance they won't come to their senses?  But that sounds like PURE GRACE--if repentance is something that is "granted by God", that would mean God is the author and finisher of our faith.

Oh, wait a minute, the Bible does say that.   ::smile::
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Re: Consequence of Eternal Security is License to Sin & Cheap Grace
« Reply #141 on: April 11, 2012, 01:48:45 PM »
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So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

You CANNOT take what is written and annex it and annotate it with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios, what if's and maybe's based on human wisdom and still believe it is the same Gospel of Christ!

THERE IS NO "WHAT IF" PETER CONTINUED TO DENY JESUS HIS ENTIRE LIFE!

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IT ISN'T WRITTEN

WHAT HAPPENED IS JESUS LOVED HIM BACK INTO THE FOLD

BY HAVING HIM PROFESS HIS LOVE FOR JESUS

Changing the ending into a what if game of logic is

nothing but dumb human reasoning twisting God's word to fit into human understanding



So you are trying to say Peter denying Christ was not a sin and therefore Peter would not be lost, even if he spent the rest of his life denying that He knew Christ, which was a lie?

Why do you refuse to answer simple 'yes' or 'no' questions I ask?  If you really believe in ES then you would answer "yes".  Are you afraid to answer 'yes'?

Because your questions are based on Gomer's logic ...NOT THE WORD
"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God. Acts 20:27