It's hard to hear the Holy Spirit through the bias of any man made bible.

I prefer to believe that the Holy Spirit does not need mankind to save anybody.

We can't live a life like a sinner and disobey the will of God and go to heaven. 

God made sure you've got that Bible that you think so little of.

Why should I have faith in something he didn't promise?

Believing the English Bible translations and even the Greek manuscripts is nothing more then having faith in hearsay... and I don't think my God is so weak that he would allow something that seems so important to you to be preserved that way.

If it were that important, he would have written it in stone... like the 10 commandments you fawn over... but then again that is hearsay.

Have you?... or are you just happy with hearsay that has been shown to have many many problems with it.

Like the passage about the woman taken in adultery you cited in the other thread that does not belong in the bible... yet you take the hearsay that it is.

Who is right and who is wrong?

I view the bible pretty much as I view the fruit that Adam and Eve ate of... if you are reading the bible to gain  knowledge of good and evil you are doomed.

It shouldn't be in the bible because it was not inspired by the Holy Spirit! or are you happy with any old person adding to the scripture whenever they see fit to do so?


http://www.bible-researcher.com/adult.html

And yes you should study the scriptures.. the Bible is only a rough estimate of what we think the scriptures are.

I understand you in one sense because it is God the Fathers role to draw and God The Holy Spirit's role to do the actual Saving, the regenerating and the sealing based on Jesus finished work so in that sense I agree

But

If this were true even Christ Himself would not needed to have come as a man.

What I mean by this is God always works through people. He doesn't work out His purpose for us but rather...... through us.

The earthen realm was Created for mankind. Mankind is the only legitimate if legal , if you will "spiritual" being in the earthen realm.

So God Himself Created this realm, He Himself does not violate that principle, not even Satan can violate it!

Whether good or evil, whatever happens on earth must occur through a human being.....

...the question is the source of the influence of the will of a human being

God's will, Satan's will or Man's will which...apart from God IS Satan's will

Here's what I mean

God could have brought Israel out of Egypt without Moses...yet he choose to work through Moses

He could have destroyed Goliath without David ...yet he choose to work through David

God needs our mouths to agree with His Word, our steps and hearts to be ordered by His Word and our hands to do the Work of His Word

His Word is Jesus who has set down and in turn is expecting us to do what He has given us His Name and the authority to do those things God has purposed us to do in His Name

He told them, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. Luke 10:2

“The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come. Matthew 22:2,3

Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
2 Corinthians 5:20

It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:11-13

As the scriptures clearly reveal throughout the bible.... God works through people, people of all stripes whose hearts are given over to Him.

But as to your point He can only work through people who are yielded to His Spirit willing to only to be used by Him for His set purpose for it is only they whose hearts are given over to Him

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.