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« Reply #495 on: November 06, 2009, 01:31:30 PM »
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29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Bonnie....The key to what you just posted here is in verse 29


Hebrews 10:19-38 is about being sure of our ability to confidently approach God through Christ

This is not directed toward those who are Saved and lie or those who are Saved and cheat on their taxes, those who are Saved and commit adultery in their heart or hate their neighbor.

The greatest sin, the one Jesus is most concerned is not believing in Him and His Ability to do what He came to do....Atone for our sin, once and for all

This is directed toward those who count Jesus Blood and the Spirit of Grace inadequate for achieving the purpose for which they were given.
Trampling Jesus Blood under foot as if it did not fully pay our debts
Trampling His Blood underfoot as if the Spirit of Grace ( The Favor of God ) given those who believe in Jesus is worthless.
This is written regarding those who have a disregard for the Grace of God and the Blood of Jesus and continue to rely on their own efforts trying to attain right standing through the Law disregarding the Grace of God given us in Jesus.

This is written toward those who continue to labor and tell other believers they must not rely believe and depend upon Jesus finished work as if He did not achieve what He came to do.

God is not a schizo He is not going to punish you for the same punishment He has already laid upon Jesus.

It was all LAID UPON JESUS...Gods righteous demands against sin have been punished in the Body of Jesus!!



Verse 29 tells us that these were once saved and sanctified.

They once knew and believed they were saved and sanctified then began to believe they were not

And reverted back to the old system of the law.

But at any rate Bonnie you have failed to address the scriptures posted earlier.


and you think you have addressed anything!  I'm done with trading scriptures with you.
But it was posed to you first but I suppose you are right it is always just"trading scriptures" when it comes to discussing anything with you. God bless

That was uncalled for.  Is it ever any different when it comes to discussing anything with you? And even worse, you follow up the denigration with a "God bless". The juxtaposition says a lot about you, not Bonnie.

Your hilarious.


Why are you in this thread if only to throw insult after insult? You are contributing nothing of any value.  So why even bother?
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« Reply #496 on: November 06, 2009, 01:34:35 PM »
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Most won't consider that the works that the Lord requires us to do is keeping his words. It is written that man shall live by every word of Jesus.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

is not this work on our part. trying to live by every word of Jesus will require work.

its not our work or words.

it is his words and his work that's required by us and those who believe in him.

   

Yes, we will show the fruits of a Christian if indeed we are one.

God Bless
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« Reply #497 on: November 06, 2009, 03:10:43 PM »
Quote from: Bonnie on November 06, 2009, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 06, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on November 06, 2009, 08:02:21 AM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 06, 2009, 07:00:34 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on November 06, 2009, 06:54:25 AM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 06, 2009, 05:54:37 AM
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Quote from: Bonnie on November 05, 2009, 07:14:59 PM
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29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Bonnie....The key to what you just posted here is in verse 29


Hebrews 10:19-38 is about being sure of our ability to confidently approach God through Christ

This is not directed toward those who are Saved and lie or those who are Saved and cheat on their taxes, those who are Saved and commit adultery in their heart or hate their neighbor.

The greatest sin, the one Jesus is most concerned is not believing in Him and His Ability to do what He came to do....Atone for our sin, once and for all

This is directed toward those who count Jesus Blood and the Spirit of Grace inadequate for achieving the purpose for which they were given.
Trampling Jesus Blood under foot as if it did not fully pay our debts
Trampling His Blood underfoot as if the Spirit of Grace ( The Favor of God ) given those who believe in Jesus is worthless.
This is written regarding those who have a disregard for the Grace of God and the Blood of Jesus and continue to rely on their own efforts trying to attain right standing through the Law disregarding the Grace of God given us in Jesus.

This is written toward those who continue to labor and tell other believers they must not rely believe and depend upon Jesus finished work as if He did not achieve what He came to do.

God is not a schizo He is not going to punish you for the same punishment He has already laid upon Jesus.

It was all LAID UPON JESUS...Gods righteous demands against sin have been punished in the Body of Jesus!!



Verse 29 tells us that these were once saved and sanctified.

They once knew and believed they were saved and sanctified then began to believe they were not

And reverted back to the old system of the law.

But at any rate Bonnie you have failed to address the scriptures posted earlier.


and you think you have addressed anything!  I'm done with trading scriptures with you.
But it was posed to you first but I suppose you are right it is always just"trading scriptures" when it comes to discussing anything with you. God bless

That was uncalled for.  Is it ever any different when it comes to discussing anything with you? And even worse, you follow up the denigration with a "God bless". The juxtaposition says a lot about you, not Bonnie.

Your hilarious.


Why are you in this thread if only to throw insult after insult? You are contributing nothing of any value.  So why even bother?

Well I guess if trying to get you and Jimmy to support your opinions with proper scripture is insulting then I must be. Why do I bother, that is a very good question and I am glad you asked because it provoked me to ask myself and the answer is now evident and I will not bother either of you any more. I may still participate in the thread but will refrain from addressing any of your posts. Good day to you both.
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« Reply #498 on: November 06, 2009, 05:00:38 PM »
Quote from: Bonnie on November 06, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: ozell on November 06, 2009, 12:21:01 PM
Most won't consider that the works that the Lord requires us to do is keeping his words. It is written that man shall live by every word of Jesus.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

is not this work on our part. trying to live by every word of Jesus will require work.

its not our work or words.

it is his words and his work that's required by us and those who believe in him.

   

Yes, we will show the fruits of a Christian if indeed we are one.

God Bless

That is certainly true if He is magnified in our hearts in Spirit more than He is on the page in letter!


IF!!! 

That can only occur IF we are hearing His Voice....

For one cannot be led of the Spirit without hearing what the Spirit is saying

But if one is scared that the voice one is hearing may be the devil or his agents

One is merely admitting that one is not accustomed to hearing the Voice of the Master ...

... and alas uncertain when or if He is speaking Tipping hat
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« Reply #499 on: November 06, 2009, 07:06:01 PM »
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Quote from: Bonnie on November 06, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: ozell on November 06, 2009, 12:21:01 PM
Most won't consider that the works that the Lord requires us to do is keeping his words. It is written that man shall live by every word of Jesus.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

is not this work on our part. trying to live by every word of Jesus will require work.

its not our work or words.

it is his words and his work that's required by us and those who believe in him.

   

Yes, we will show the fruits of a Christian if indeed we are one.

God Bless

That is certainly true if He is magnified in our hearts in Spirit more than He is on the page in letter!


IF!!! 

That can only occur IF we are hearing His Voice....

For one cannot be led of the Spirit without hearing what the Spirit is saying

But if one is scared that the voice one is hearing may be the devil or his agents

One is merely admitting that one is not accustomed to hearing the Voice of the Master ...

... and alas uncertain when or if He is speaking Tipping hat


It's called discernment.
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« Reply #500 on: November 06, 2009, 07:23:53 PM »
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Quote from: Bonnie on November 06, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
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Most won't consider that the works that the Lord requires us to do is keeping his words. It is written that man shall live by every word of Jesus.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

is not this work on our part. trying to live by every word of Jesus will require work.

its not our work or words.

it is his words and his work that's required by us and those who believe in him.

   

Yes, we will show the fruits of a Christian if indeed we are one.

God Bless

That is certainly true if He is magnified in our hearts in Spirit more than He is on the page in letter!


IF!!! 

That can only occur IF we are hearing His Voice....

For one cannot be led of the Spirit without hearing what the Spirit is saying

But if one is scared that the voice one is hearing may be the devil or his agents

One is merely admitting that one is not accustomed to hearing the Voice of the Master ...

... and alas uncertain when or if He is speaking Tipping hat


For one cannot be led of the Spirit without hearing what the Spirit is saying

This part of the above quote got my attention. Just how does one hear the spirit to be led of the spirit?
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« Reply #501 on: November 06, 2009, 07:47:31 PM »
The Holy Spirit speaks to us primarily through the Scriptures that he inspired to be written.   This is our foundation of faith and life, the word that everyone has access to, the word that can be studied and discussed most objectively.
Often the word that we need to hear has already been written, and the Spirit simply needs to bring it to mind. When Jesus was tempted by the devil, for example, his responses were quoted from Scripture. He had studied and memorized those words, and in each situation the Spirit led him to the appropriate response.
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« Reply #502 on: November 07, 2009, 04:00:07 AM »
Paul ONLY taught the gentiles Moses and the Prophets. Paul taught the commandments of God to the gentiles.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:


Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

we read where Moses wrote    

Deut 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Paul taught thou shalt not steal.

Deut 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.

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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #503 on: November 07, 2009, 04:13:50 AM »
Jesus said

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus spoke the words to Moses

Deut 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal

once you have read this and there will come a time when your bible is not with you, and a situation may come up where the opportunity to steal arise.

Jesus said

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Now the Comforter or Holy Spirit will kick in and bring to your memory thou shalt not steal

 Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Keep in mind you do not have the word in front of you literally, and Jesus said his word is spirit.

yet you do not steal even though the opportunity is there because the word(spirit) of God has brought to your remembrance thou shalt not steal. 
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #504 on: November 07, 2009, 04:16:51 AM »
Paul ONLY taught the gentiles Moses and the Prophets. Paul taught the commandments of God to the gentiles.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:


Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Paul taught this as did Matthew and the apostles

Deut 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Paul taught the gentiles the commandments and every word that proceeth out of the mouth of God
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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