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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2009, 03:16:58 AM »

Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3, 10-14) is the one who rested on the Sabbath day and commanded that you do the same.

If you really understood the scriptures you would realize that He was the one who became known as Jesus that gave you the Ten Commandments.

So not only did He command you to cease from your work on that day He also commanded you to: (Lev.23:3) “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;” He said on the Sabbath day that you should also have an holy convocation, which means holy gathering or simply put, go to church.

Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

 (Ex.31:16-17) (v.16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (v.17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2009, 03:16:58 AM »

 
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2009, 07:02:50 AM »

But as I said before in Ephesians it clearly states that in Jesus death, he abolished the Law and its requirements...

It says that plain and simple.

Yet you cling onto Jewish tradition....
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2009, 07:52:33 AM »

But as I said before in Ephesians it clearly states that in Jesus death, he abolished the Law and its requirements...

It says that plain and simple.

Yet you cling onto Jewish tradition....

What Jewish tradition.  The commandments reflect the character of God Himself.  His moral law will never change.  Do you not know God? Or His ways?

Ep. 14:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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Psalms 118:24  "This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it."
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2009, 09:38:46 AM »

Ozell - LAWS DO NOT SAVE!

Jesus saves

God's laws point out what sin is and sin is what separates us from God.

larry2 - 3 Questions.

1   Does observing the Sabbath have anything to do with our salvation?

2   If we don't observe all the law, are we still saved?

3   Is the law more than a schoolmaster to point man to Christ? Galatians 3:24.

Ozell - After reading this article you will be without an excuse regarding the Sabbath day of the Lord God of the bible.

larry2 - Or ever breaking a speed limit again, or other law of the land. Right?
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2009, 12:59:34 PM »

Whether one acknowledges or not the laws of God or man, they're still held accountable for them.
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2009, 01:06:19 PM »

But as I said before in Ephesians it clearly states that in Jesus death, he abolished the Law and its requirements...

It says that plain and simple.

Yet you cling onto Jewish tradition....

What Jewish tradition.  The commandments reflect the character of God Himself.  His moral law will never change.  Do you not know God? Or His ways?

Ep. 14:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


No the commandments were given to a specific people at a specific time for a specific purpose...

I know God through his New Covenant... do you?... or are you some sort of Old Covenant/New Covenant hybrid that refuses to truely acknowledge what Jesus did on the cross?
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2009, 02:09:16 PM »

Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

(Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2009, 09:20:02 PM »

The scriptures and the Apostels some time after Pentecost, stated that NO MAN HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE LAW OF GOD.  Period.  Nobody today that observes them has yet to keep them.  It defies spiritual logic.  It's simple math.  Hence, the law was a tutor, until Christ came and finished the work of God which He began at creation, but Adam and Eve defaced.  It is a spiritual work, in a spiritual being, with spiritual fruit.  The written code has no merit, except that it is for the murderer, reprobate, homosexual, etc.: it is not for the righteous man, as stated repeatedly in the Word.

However, this cannot be seen by many.

And others use it as liberty for vice in the heart and then in the body.

Both no neither the scriptures nor the power of God: "that we should be called the sons of God", and "Ye are gods, to whom the word of God came".  God is not under the law.  Neither are His offspring.  It is extreme spiritual violence to mix the two!  Anathema!  We ARE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST: we need no letter of the law, or guidance by it, for WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.  Or at least we're supposed to.  If we don't, and need the decalogue, well, there aren't any pleasant options, are there?
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2009, 10:53:11 PM »

SABBATH means REST: it is never called a day of worship.

The outlawed work would include "sending out ministers of God."  And a sabbath-days journy was not how far you could walk but was about 700 feet.

That prevented you from attending the pagan "worship" rituals where both the seventh day of superstition and the tithe derived from Babylon.

The REST day is to prevent YOU from forcing ME to do something which you just make up.

However, on the Lord's Day the church assembled to hear and learn God's Word and to observe the Lord's Supper. It is never called a day of WORSHIP.  Religion or threskia defines the IMPURE religion practiced to often.

The synagogue Christ ordained in the wilderness was the synagogue.  The Holy convocation was held on the first and seventh days of festivals. Later it met each Sabbath day and this quarantined them FROM the national sacrificial system inside the gates.

The Church met on the first day of the week to keep people from violating the sabbath by necessary travel.  Nor would it conflict with the regular synagogue.

Paul's gathering and assemblying words are synagogue words but the Christians synagogued on the First Day of the week:

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.


So we have the first two Christian gatherings on the FIRST DAY of the week.  It would would have been disasteorus if the church asked Jewish converts to VIOLATE the sabbath.  Again the Sabbath means REST and not WORSHIP.

    Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

    Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


The assembly was:

        G4863 sunagō soon-ag'-o From G4862 and G71 ; to lead together, that is, collect or convene; specifically to entertain (hospitably):—+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in.

Synagogue is a duplicated form:

        G4864 sunagogē soon-ag-o-gay' From (the reduplicated form of) G4863 ; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church:—assembly, congregation, synagogue.

    1Cor. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

They were supposed to "synagogue" to break bread: that was done on the first day of the week. History confirms that many people still RESTED on the Sabbath because of creation but ASSEMBLED on the First Day of the week because of the resurrection.

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2009, 12:17:29 AM »

Why the Law was before creation.

From the Ages of Ages is the Eternal Thought, and the Thought is the Word, and the Word is the Act, and these Three are one in the Eternal Law, and the Law is with God and the Law proceeds from God. All things are created by Law and without it is not anything created that existeth. In the Word is Life and Substance, the Fire and the Light. The Love and the Wisdom, are One for the Salvation of all. And the Light shineth in darkness and the darkness concealeth it not. The Word is the one Life-giving Fire, which shining into the world becometh the fire and light of every soul that entereth into the world. I am in the world, and the world is in Me, and the world knoweth it not. I come to my own House, and my friends receive Me not. But as many as receive and obey, to them is given the power to become the Sons and Daughters of God, even to them who believe in the Holy Name, who are born--not of the will of the blood and flesh, but of God. And the Word is incarnate and dwelleth among us, whose Glory we beheld, full of Grace. Behold the Goodness, and the Truth and the Beauty of God!

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was in the beginning with God.  All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.  In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.  And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2009, 08:18:33 AM »

But as I said before in Ephesians it clearly states that in Jesus death, he abolished the Law and its requirements...

It says that plain and simple.

Yet you cling onto Jewish tradition....

what law was abolished tantor?

God has many laws!
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2009, 08:24:21 AM »

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1   Does observing the Sabbath have anything to do with our salvation?

lets read in the last book of the bible in the last chapter

Rv 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

is salvation acheived when we walked thru these gates to THE CITY?

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2   If we don't observe all the law, are we still saved?
Jesus said
Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
what is the definition of saved? as long as you wear this flesh are you capable of falling? so are you saved in this flesh?

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3   Is the law more than a schoolmaster to point man to Christ? Galatians 3:24.

what law was a school master Larry? God has many laws as did Israel.
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2009, 08:28:35 AM »

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Ozell - After reading this article you will be without an excuse regarding the Sabbath day of the Lord God of the bible.

larry2 - Or ever breaking a speed limit again, or other law of the land. Right?

Larry if I break the law of the land and get CAUGHT i have to pay a penalty, correct.

when we break the laws of the Lord we pay a penalty if we don't repent.

is it not written long after Jesus death and resurrection that a man can sin and if he does he has a get out of Jail card
REPENTANCE!
 
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2009, 09:44:02 AM »

But as I said before in Ephesians it clearly states that in Jesus death, he abolished the Law and its requirements...

It says that plain and simple.

Yet you cling onto Jewish tradition....
Tantor, maybe you are confusing the ceremonial laws requirements with the 10 Commandments.   The ceremonial law requirements were types of Christ and they were nailed to the cross.  But the 10 Commandments were not nailed to the cross because they identify sin and a need for a Saviour.
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2009, 10:26:53 AM »

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Ozell - After reading this article you will be without an excuse regarding the Sabbath day of the Lord God of the bible.

larry2 - Or ever breaking a speed limit again, or other law of the land. Right?

Larry if I break the law of the land and get CAUGHT i have to pay a penalty, correct.

when we break the laws of the Lord we pay a penalty if we don't repent.

is it not written long after Jesus death and resurrection that a man can sin and if he does he has a get out of Jail card
REPENTANCE!
 
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

I agree with you here.    Smile
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