yes


no


it is written we are born into sin, do you understand this?

when Adam and Eve disobeyed God everyman and girl born afterwards was born into a world of sin.

and who told Adam and Eve about there private parts God or Satan?




the Lord said work out your own salvation


Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

you can't blame ADAM

and how do we do this?

Everything in Revelation has already transpired??  That is completely untrue.  Revelation wasn't even written until A.D. 90 or so----the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70.   Why would Jesus say that the one is blessed who reads the words in Revelation?  Many parts of Revelation are coming very close to beginning their fulfillment.  Israel has become a nation again.  Revelation is concerning the 70th week of Daniel.

69 weeks of Israel's history transpired, and then the clock stopped.  Israel was scattered into all nations.  God promised he would recall them and return them to their land shortly before the "day of the Lord".   Because of that clock stopping for the Jews, the "times of the Gentiles" came into being----a pause inbetween God's dealing with the Jews.  Once the times of the Gentiles ends God will again focus on the Jews, and the "70th week of Daniel" (a period of 7 years) will begin.   Much of Revelation concerns this one week.

You are very mistaken if you think that the Book of Revelation has already been fulfilled.  That is simply untrue.

Evidence for the early date: 70 A.D.

    * The many "coming soon" and "at hand" passages (1:1, 2:16, 3:11, 22:6-20) only make sense if events matching the symbolism of Revelation were not too far in the future. The Jewish themes would make no sense after 70 A.D. - there was nothing left of the Jewish state.
    * The Beast (which most if not all scholars agree represents Rome) was ruled by its 6th head ("head" = "king" see: 17:10) which was already in existence in John's day. Of the 7 heads (kings) only one was left - by 95 A.D. Rome was long past its 7th Caesar.
    * A 2nd Century manuscript of Revelation says it was written when Nero was Caesar (68 A.D.).
    * There were still Judaizers in the church at that time (Rev. 2:9, 3:9) - impossible after 70A.D.
    * The temple is apparently still standing in chapter 11.
    * If the temple had already been destroyed, one would expect at least one mention of it somewhere.
    * Revelation 2:2 shows that there were other apostles around - yet it is believed that all but John were dead by 70 A.D.
    * Irenaeus' statement regarding Domitian's reign is difficult to interpret and based on a secondary source. In the same passage he also mentions "ancient copies" of Revelation in existence which makes little sense if they were only a few years old.
    * Evidence for a massive persecution by Domitian (81-96 A.D.) is lacking.
    * The only time there were only 7 churches in Asia was the early 60's.
    * John was told he must prophesy again before kings (10:11) . . . he would have been over 90 if the late date is correct. Stories of his actions after being released from Patmos are difficult to reconcile with an aged man.

Aw-w-w-w.....
Now that my friend is the question of the hour, of the day of the Acceptable Year of Our Lord  a very good question!

Take it one step further...

Can following the Law bring about the Love of God, NO! For if it could Grace and Truth would not have needed to come


Can the Grace and Love of God cause one to meet and exceed the Law

YES

Why ....because the Law depends upon your imperfect ability

But

Under Grace the Love of God, Jesus, becomes our source, The Holy Spirit our ability and therefore our ability to live right solely depends upon the Perfect Ability of God

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!     

Let me off this crazy train!  lol

While I believe the the law can be beneficial, just as a good commentary can be beneficial I in no way shape or form believe that compliance with the law is required!

Just for the sake of clarfying my belief I think the OT moral laws can be profitable in conjunction with the leading of the Spirit.  It should never ever replace the Spirit and has been noted is only a "shadow".  In a way I see consulting the moral laws in the same way as consulting a trusted group of brothers in determining a proper course of action.

I have to disagree.

We are sinners because we sin.  We become sinners when we make our first sinful decision and commit our first sinful action.

Ozell this is very sad. It seems that you know the scriptures but you don't understand them because you're contradicting your own knowledge of the scriptures merely to hold on to your personal belief

Let me show you how
You said everyman is born into a world of sin....you're right!

Therefore Sin is in the world... you're a sinner apart from your actions, no one is holy no not one!

The only thing that protects babies and children is that they're not accountable. Once they become accountable...they're instantly sinners, they must receive Jesus for themselves

Thanks for the response, I think I understand your position better now. You believe that your works (obedience to the law) make you more pleasing, righteous, and more holy than Christ's work on the cross has made you .