GCM Home | Your Posts | Rules | DONATE | Bookstore | RSS | Facebook | Twitter | FAQs


Author Topic: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church  (Read 5059 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

ObeyTheGospel

  • Guest
The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« on: Thu Apr 26, 2012 - 09:42:29 »
I have recently watched debates on the internet between Richard Dawkins and catholic priests. I was severely disappointed to hear the priests support Evolution and reject the story of Adam and Eve. What part of, "male and female He created them," do the catholic priests not understand?

In the gospel of Mark Jesus even confirms the creation of Adam and Eve (Mark 10:6-8). If the catholic priests, and many other Christians, deny the creation of Adam and Eve, they are also denying the Gospels authority. They are rejecting the teachings of Jesus. This is a great embarrassment to the Christians who cling to Biblical scripture. As Christians we need to hold on to the rock of truth. Supporting Darwinian Evolution means you are rejecting the teachings of the Bible, or you're just picking and choosing what to believe and what not to believe.

What are your thoughts on this?

Christian Forums and Message Board

The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« on: Thu Apr 26, 2012 - 09:42:29 »

Offline Victor08

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7510
  • Manna: 59
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #1 on: Thu Apr 26, 2012 - 17:45:51 »
I have recently watched debates on the internet between Richard Dawkins and catholic priests. I was severely disappointed to hear the priests support Evolution and reject the story of Adam and Eve. What part of, "male and female He created them," do the catholic priests not understand?

In the gospel of Mark Jesus even confirms the creation of Adam and Eve (Mark 10:6-8). If the catholic priests, and many other Christians, deny the creation of Adam and Eve, they are also denying the Gospels authority. They are rejecting the teachings of Jesus. This is a great embarrassment to the Christians who cling to Biblical scripture. As Christians we need to hold on to the rock of truth. Supporting Darwinian Evolution means you are rejecting the teachings of the Bible, or you're just picking and choosing what to believe and what not to believe.

What are your thoughts on this?

It is not a myth.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #1 on: Thu Apr 26, 2012 - 17:45:51 »

Offline Debrah

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1478
  • Manna: 113
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #2 on: Thu Apr 26, 2012 - 20:06:48 »
I am confused victor08, I did not think you were a believer?

As to the op question, no we can not cancel out the book of Genesis, and the teaching of God and his creation, because science disagrees.

There is a sickness entering the church's, a sickness that Jesus would would call death.  For many church's are not concerned with the Spirit, but more concerned with the culture, and the world and what it believes.

this is prophecy, many will fall away from the truth.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #2 on: Thu Apr 26, 2012 - 20:06:48 »

p.rehbein

  • Guest
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 18:43:38 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.


Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 18:43:38 »

Offline fenton

  • Warrior
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1718
  • Manna: 83
  • Gender: Male
  • Prayer Warrior
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #4 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 18:47:02 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



 ::applause::   ::nodding:: 

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #4 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 18:47:02 »



Offline fcadcock

  • Loving
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 788
  • Manna: 26
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #5 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 19:57:26 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all. 

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #5 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 19:57:26 »

ObeyTheGospel

  • Guest
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #6 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 07:56:22 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all. 

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.

Either God created male and female as the Bible teaches, or humans evolved from bacteria over millions of years. You can't have it both ways

Offline Jimmy

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14574
  • Manna: 294
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #7 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 08:51:52 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all. 

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.

Either God created male and female as the Bible teaches, or humans evolved from bacteria over millions of years. You can't have it both ways

Yes you can have it both ways.  It is only your own particular and peculiar version of what the Bible teaches that is inconsistant with evolution.

p.rehbein

  • Guest
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #8 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 10:42:46 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all.  

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.


Not true Brother, Darwin's theory is based on a lower life form evolving into a higher life form,  What you are speaking of is referred to "Created Adaptation" which is the Biblical Truth because it is based on God being the Creator.

Darwin's Theory is a lie..............y'all believe as you wish, but if you accept Darwin's Theory, you are accepting a lie.....no other way to say it.

All you have to do is google the book "The Evolution of the Species" and you will see that Darwin DID INFACT theorize that lesser life forms evolved into higher life forms.


Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #8 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 10:42:46 »

Offline Jimmy

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14574
  • Manna: 294
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #9 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 10:55:57 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all.  

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.


Not true Brother, Darwin's theory is based on a lower life form evolving into a higher life form,  What you are speaking of is referred to "Created Adaptation" which is the Biblical Truth because it is based on God being the Creator.

Darwin's Theory is a lie..............y'all believe as you wish, but if you accept Darwin's Theory, you are accepting a lie.....no other way to say it.

All you have to do is google the book "The Evolution of the Species" and you will see that Darwin DID INFACT theorize that lesser life forms evolved into higher life forms.

Are you really suggesting that God isn't sufficiently powerful to have created a universe in which lesser life forms could have evovled into higher life forms?  I would hope that you haven't placed such limitations on God.

Offline fcadcock

  • Loving
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 788
  • Manna: 26
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #10 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 12:34:28 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all.  

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.


Not true Brother, Darwin's theory is based on a lower life form evolving into a higher life form,  What you are speaking of is referred to "Created Adaptation" which is the Biblical Truth because it is based on God being the Creator.

Darwin's Theory is a lie..............y'all believe as you wish, but if you accept Darwin's Theory, you are accepting a lie.....no other way to say it.

All you have to do is google the book "The Evolution of the Species" and you will see that Darwin DID INFACT theorize that lesser life forms evolved into higher life forms.



I own the book.  It says nothing of the sort.  Darwin was a devout Catholic who believed in creationism.  He simply noted that over time, species evolve.  He never went far enough back to speculate as to where it all started.  He never denied that we were created.  He never even mentioned human evolution.

As mentioned above.  You are putting limitations on God's power based on your interpretation of events.  You've taken one paragraph out of the bible which only tells THAT something happened and used that to explain HOW it happened.  The bible is completely silent as to how God created anything. 

Would you like to see living proof of evolution?  Go look at a dog.  Humans have sped up the process by selective breeding, but just a few thousand years ago your chihuahua was a wolf.  The same thing happens in nature.  That is all Darwin said.

p.rehbein

  • Guest
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #11 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 17:19:13 »
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is at best a flawed theory, and, at worst, an outright lie.........either way, it is not the Truth.

The Lord God is the Creator of all that is, ever was, ever will be, and no, Creation and evolution cannot/donot work hand in hand.  Evolution's base theory is that there was no creator...........for some time now folks have been trying to tie the two together to better legitimize evolution, and they have led many astray with their mistruths.........

Y'all can believe whatever you want, but if your belief includes evolution, then you are believing in a lie........no other way to say it, and no reason to sugar coat it.  Why should I?  Evolution denys the existance of God, and that is about as insulting as it gets for the faithful.



Darwin's theory of evolution isn't flawed in the least.  Darwin's theory stated simply that over time, species develop to better suit the needs of their environments as they change.  No more, no less.  The theory of human evolution was not brought up by Darwin at all.  

Evolution and Creationism can easily co-exist.  God created the world and all the things on it.  And as that world has changed, so have the animals.  It's that simple.

Science can never explain away God and more than it can prove that the color blue doesn't exist.  But to deny science simply because you think scientists are trying to explain away God is denying the knowledge of how God works.  Scientists studying the Big Bang and evolution aren't just studying how the universe works, they're studying how God works.


Not true Brother, Darwin's theory is based on a lower life form evolving into a higher life form,  What you are speaking of is referred to "Created Adaptation" which is the Biblical Truth because it is based on God being the Creator.

Darwin's Theory is a lie..............y'all believe as you wish, but if you accept Darwin's Theory, you are accepting a lie.....no other way to say it.

All you have to do is google the book "The Evolution of the Species" and you will see that Darwin DID INFACT theorize that lesser life forms evolved into higher life forms.



I own the book.  It says nothing of the sort.  Darwin was a devout Catholic who believed in creationism.  He simply noted that over time, species evolve.  He never went far enough back to speculate as to where it all started.  He never denied that we were created.  He never even mentioned human evolution.

As mentioned above.  You are putting limitations on God's power based on your interpretation of events.  You've taken one paragraph out of the bible which only tells THAT something happened and used that to explain HOW it happened.  The bible is completely silent as to how God created anything. 

Would you like to see living proof of evolution?  Go look at a dog.  Humans have sped up the process by selective breeding, but just a few thousand years ago your chihuahua was a wolf.  The same thing happens in nature.  That is all Darwin said.


.......again what you are describing does not meet the definition of evolution, but created adaptation.............n ow, if you show me a dog that became a cow, that became a llama, that became a horse, that became a monkey, that became a man.......then you got evolution.

In no way am I limiting God's creative powers, just not true.................... ....you wanna believe in evolution, do so, but it is a lie.  Created adaptation is the true explination for whatever changes have taken place in a particular species so that it could adapt to the enviorment it found itself living in, thus ensuring the best chance for survival of the species.  THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION.

I know exactly who Darwin was, have studied him for years.............so I also know that he was FORCED by his father to attend Seminary College at Cambridge University, and that was the ONLY Degree he ever earned.  A degree in Theology.  He bore much resentment towards his father and shortly after striking out on his own, he began to form his theory. 

No, he never directly discounted God in his writings, he let his Theory do that for him.  Yes, later others with a greater agenda to disprove God expanded on his theory far more than he would have, but the truth remains that the Theory of Evolution discounts the existance of God in it's base form.

If you own the book, then look at the picture on the cover................... ...you will see several pictures of monkeys of various kinds/types, in different stages of growth, until they end with "MAN." 

THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES.  That man EVOLVED FROM APE!  That CERTAINLY DISCOUNTS GOD!

Since when is one passage of Scripture from the Word of God NOT TO BE BELIEVED in favor of the lies of man?

Believe the lies of man if you wish, I believe in God.


Offline Jimmy

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14574
  • Manna: 294
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #12 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 18:00:44 »
.......again what you are describing does not meet the definition of evolution, but created adaptation.............n ow, if you show me a dog that became a cow, that became a llama, that became a horse, that became a monkey, that became a man.......then you got evolution.

There is not a person in the world who knows and understands what the theory of evolution states that would ever make such a statement.  With all due respect, such a statement is either made out of ignorance or out of malice.

Offline fcadcock

  • Loving
  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 788
  • Manna: 26
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #13 on: Sat Apr 28, 2012 - 19:40:18 »
"Created adaptation is the true explination for whatever changes have taken place in a particular species so that it could adapt to the enviorment it found itself living in, thus ensuring the best chance for survival of the species.  THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION."

Actually, that is EXACTLY what evolution is.

There is a huge difference between the theories of evolution and human evolution.  You are equating the two as one, and that is simply not the case.

p.rehbein

  • Guest
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #14 on: Sun Apr 29, 2012 - 19:10:20 »
Brother, I will provide this information for your consideration............it simply does not jive with what you are saying about the Theory of Evolution, or Darwin's Theory..........

============================================================================

www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html - Cached
Debunking Evolution:

problems between the theory and reality;

the false science of evolution

"Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. Variation (microevolution) is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool and adaptive mechanisms of finches. Creationists have always agreed that there is variation within species. What evolutionists do not want you to know is that there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Whenever variation is pushed to extremes by selective breeding (to get the most milk from cows, sugar from beets, bristles on fruit flies, or any other characteristic), the line becomes sterile and dies out. And as one characteristic increases, others diminish. But evolutionists want you to believe that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.
Do these big changes (macroevolution) really happen? Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly.
=======================================================
1.   www.amazon.com/The-Origin-Species-Charles-Darwin/dp/... - Cached


The Book……………one has to do no more than look at the cover to know it is false theory………


1.   Darwin's Theory Of Evolution - A theory in crisis in light of the tremendous advances we've made in molecular biology, biochemistry, genetics and information theory.
www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com

Darwin's Theory of Evolution - The Premise

Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the widely held notion that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor: the birds and the bananas, the fishes and the flowers -- all related. Darwin's general theory presumes the development of life from non-life and stresses a purely naturalistic (undirected) "descent with modification". That is, complex creatures evolve from more simplistic ancestors naturally over time. In a nutshell, as random genetic mutations occur within an organism's genetic code, the beneficial mutations are preserved because they aid survival -- a process known as "natural selection." These beneficial mutations are passed on to the next generation. Over time, beneficial mutations accumulate and the result is an entirely different organism (not just a variation of the original, but an entirely different creature).

Offline Victor08

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7510
  • Manna: 59
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #15 on: Sun Apr 29, 2012 - 20:45:50 »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

Irreducible complexity (IC) is an argument by proponents of intelligent design that certain biological systems are too complex to have evolved from simpler, or "less complete" predecessors, through natural selection acting upon a series of advantageous naturally occurring, chance mutations.[1] The argument is central to intelligent design, and is rejected by the scientific community at large,[2] which overwhelmingly regards intelligent design as pseudoscience.[3] Irreducible complexity is one of two main arguments used by intelligent design proponents, the other being specified complexity.[4]

Biochemistry professor Michael Behe, the originator of the term irreducible complexity, defines an irreducibly complex system as one "composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning".[5] Evolutionary biologists have shown that such systems can evolve,[6] and that Behe's examples constitute an argument from ignorance.[7] In the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial, Behe gave testimony on the subject of irreducible complexity. The court found that "Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large."[2]
.
.
.
Falsifiability and experimental evidence

Some critics, such as Jerry Coyne (professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Chicago) and Eugenie Scott (a physical anthropologist and executive director of the National Center for Science Education) have argued that the concept of irreducible complexity, and more generally, the theory of intelligent design is not falsifiable, and therefore, not scientific.

Behe argues that the theory that irreducibly complex systems could not have been evolved can be falsified by an experiment where such systems are evolved. For example, he posits taking bacteria with no flagellum and imposing a selective pressure for mobility. If, after a few thousand generations, the bacteria evolved the bacterial flagellum, then Behe believes that this would refute his theory.[citation needed]

Other critics take a different approach, pointing to experimental evidence that they believe falsifies the argument for Intelligent Design from irreducible complexity. For example, Kenneth Miller cites the lab work of Barry G. Hall on E. coli, which he asserts is evidence that "Behe is wrong."[81]

Other evidence that irreducible complexity is not a problem for evolution comes from the field of computer science, where computer analogues of the processes of evolution are routinely used to automatically design complex solutions to problems. The results of such Genetic Algorithms are frequently irreducibly complex since the process, like evolution, both removes non-essential components over time as well as adding new components. The removal of unused components with no essential function, like the natural process where rock underneath a natural arch is removed, can produce irreducibly complex structures without requiring the intervention of a designer. Researchers applying these algorithms are automatically producing human competitive designs—but no human designer is required.[82]

Argument from ignorance

Intelligent design proponents attribute to an intelligent designer those biological structures they believe are irreducibly complex and whereof they say a natural explanation is insufficient to account for them.[83] However, critics view irreducible complexity as a special case of the "complexity indicates design" claim, and thus see it as an argument from ignorance and God of the gaps argument.[7]

Eugenie Scott, along with Glenn Branch and other critics, has argued that many points raised by intelligent design proponents are arguments from ignorance.[84] Behe has been accused of using an "argument by lack of imagination", and Behe himself acknowledges that a failure of current science to explain how an "irreducibly complex" organism did or could evolve does not automatically prove the impossibility of such an evolution.

Irreducible complexity is at its core an argument against evolution. If truly irreducible systems are found, the argument goes, then intelligent design must be the correct explanation for their existence. However, this conclusion is based on the assumption that current evolutionary theory and intelligent design are the only two valid models to explain life, a false dilemma.[85][86]

Offline Victor08

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7510
  • Manna: 59
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #16 on: Sun Apr 29, 2012 - 20:47:12 »
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ICsilly.html

Introduction

Michael Behe's term "irreducible complexity" is, to be frank, plainly silly — and here's why.

"Irreducible complexity" is a simple concept. According to Behe, a system is irreducibly complex if its function is lost when a part is removed1. Behe believes that irreducibly complex systems cannot evolve by direct, gradual evolutionary mechanisms. However, standard genetic processes easily produce these structures. Nearly a century ago, these exact systems were predicted, described, and explained by the Nobel prize-winning geneticist H. J. Muller using evolutionary theory2. Thus, as explained below, so-called "irreducibly complex" structures are in fact evolvable and reducible. Behe gave irreducible complexity the wrong name.

Behe's flawed argument

Behe claims that irreducibly complex systems cannot be produced directly by gradual evolution3. But why not? Behe's reckoning goes like this:

•   (P1) Direct, gradual evolution proceeds only by stepwise addition of parts.
•   (P2) By definition, an irreducibly complex system lacking a part is nonfunctional.
•   (C) Therefore, all possible direct gradual evolutionary precursors to an irreducibly complex system must be nonfunctional.

Of course, Behe's argument is invalid since the first premise is false: gradual evolution can do much more than just add parts. For instance, evolution can also change or remove parts (pretty simple, eh?). In contrast, Behe's irreducible complexity is restricted to only reversing the addition of parts. This is why irreducible complexity cannot tell us anything useful about how a structure did or did not evolve.

Offline Cally

  • I am Christian. The rest is details.
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4453
  • Manna: 151
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #17 on: Sun Apr 29, 2012 - 22:59:29 »
^Victor,

Evolution is an unspeakably stupid theory, and these rebuttals demonstrate just plain poor listening skills with regard to their opposition.
Quote
However, this conclusion is based on the assumption that current evolutionary theory and intelligent design are the only two valid models to explain life, a false dilemma

The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?

Quote
gradual evolution can do much more than just add parts. For instance, evolution can also change or remove parts

Oh no, it looks like the irreducible complexity argument just shattered right there! Not. This statement changes nothing about the fact that large numbers of changes happening simultaneously need to occur to create a new organism from an old one.

Finally, the flaw of Darwinist theory is just so obvious that I can only think people just got tired of repeating it: evolution isn't necessary for superior abilities to survive.

The Dodo went extinct, while some of the oldest strains of bacteria still exist today. What, may I ask, were some of those stupid bacteria thinking wasting all of that time evolving into a Dodo when they were doing such a better job surviving so much lower on the evolutionary tree? Fortunately for the entire food chain, some of the old bacteria happened to have the right idea about staying as they were.

And now I'm going to pick on atheists (or at least a large category of them) and their total failure to demonstrate a remotely cohesive value system. According to Darwinist theory, the purpose of all organisms is to reproduce. And yet, that's the same crowd that wants to promote acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuals, according to Darwinists, fail at fulfilling the fundamental directive of all living things.

But suddenly, they don't bother to apply their ethos. They demonstrate that they are just looking for ways to oppose God, not establish a worldview.

Offline Victor08

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7510
  • Manna: 59
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #18 on: Sun Apr 29, 2012 - 23:40:58 »
^Victor,

Evolution is an unspeakably stupid theory, and these rebuttals demonstrate just plain poor listening skills with regard to their opposition.
Quote
However, this conclusion is based on the assumption that current evolutionary theory and intelligent design are the only two valid models to explain life, a false dilemma

The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?

Quote
gradual evolution can do much more than just add parts. For instance, evolution can also change or remove parts

Oh no, it looks like the irreducible complexity argument just shattered right there! Not. This statement changes nothing about the fact that large numbers of changes happening simultaneously need to occur to create a new organism from an old one.

Finally, the flaw of Darwinist theory is just so obvious that I can only think people just got tired of repeating it: evolution isn't necessary for superior abilities to survive.

The Dodo went extinct, while some of the oldest strains of bacteria still exist today. What, may I ask, were some of those stupid bacteria thinking wasting all of that time evolving into a Dodo when they were doing such a better job surviving so much lower on the evolutionary tree? Fortunately for the entire food chain, some of the old bacteria happened to have the right idea about staying as they were.

And now I'm going to pick on atheists (or at least a large category of them) and their total failure to demonstrate a remotely cohesive value system. According to Darwinist theory, the purpose of all organisms is to reproduce. And yet, that's the same crowd that wants to promote acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuals, according to Darwinists, fail at fulfilling the fundamental directive of all living things.

But suddenly, they don't bother to apply their ethos. They demonstrate that they are just looking for ways to oppose God, not establish a worldview.

You know what Cally, I have come to the conclusion that even if you were able to go back in time and watch Evolution happening, you still wouldn’t be convinced, because it goes against what you believe.

So with that - I am out.

Offline wayseer

  • Orthodox
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
  • Manna: 12
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #19 on: Mon Apr 30, 2012 - 01:45:42 »

Finally, the flaw of Darwinist theory is just so obvious that I can only think people just got tired of repeating it: evolution isn't necessary for superior abilities to survive.

Perhaps you should present a paper to that effect and thereby alert all scientists to the 'obvious flaw' which they have all overlooked.  You could make yourself a tidy sum then written a book and gain the inevitable film rights.

Good luck

Offline Bitter Sweet

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3262
  • Manna: 48
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #20 on: Mon Apr 30, 2012 - 12:58:36 »

And now I'm going to pick on atheists (or at least a large category of them) and their total failure to demonstrate a remotely cohesive value system. According to Darwinist theory, the purpose of all organisms is to reproduce. And yet, that's the same crowd that wants to promote acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuals, according to Darwinists, fail at fulfilling the fundamental directive of all living things.

But suddenly, they don't bother to apply their ethos. They demonstrate that they are just looking for ways to oppose God, not establish a worldview.

And opposing the first gift that God gave man, free will, is moral? If you think free will is immoral then take up the issue with God, not Atheist and leave the gays out of it. Unless you you agree that having the free will to choose should be taken away from you too.

Offline Cally

  • I am Christian. The rest is details.
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4453
  • Manna: 151
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #21 on: Mon Apr 30, 2012 - 13:07:46 »

And now I'm going to pick on atheists (or at least a large category of them) and their total failure to demonstrate a remotely cohesive value system. According to Darwinist theory, the purpose of all organisms is to reproduce. And yet, that's the same crowd that wants to promote acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuals, according to Darwinists, fail at fulfilling the fundamental directive of all living things.

But suddenly, they don't bother to apply their ethos. They demonstrate that they are just looking for ways to oppose God, not establish a worldview.

And opposing the first gift that God gave man, free will, is moral? If you think free will is immoral then take up the issue with God, not Atheist and leave the gays out of it. Unless you you agree that having the free will to choose should be taken away from you too.

I have no idea where this statement even came from in context of the discussion.

But I wouldn't have to argue with God about "free will." The phrase (or anything translated remotely like it) doesn't appear in the Bible. I'd only be arguing with people who invented the term.

Offline Bitter Sweet

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3262
  • Manna: 48
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #22 on: Mon Apr 30, 2012 - 16:24:24 »

And now I'm going to pick on atheists (or at least a large category of them) and their total failure to demonstrate a remotely cohesive value system. According to Darwinist theory, the purpose of all organisms is to reproduce. And yet, that's the same crowd that wants to promote acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuals, according to Darwinists, fail at fulfilling the fundamental directive of all living things.

But suddenly, they don't bother to apply their ethos. They demonstrate that they are just looking for ways to oppose God, not establish a worldview.

And opposing the first gift that God gave man, free will, is moral? If you think free will is immoral then take up the issue with God, not Atheist and leave the gays out of it. Unless you you agree that having the free will to choose should be taken away from you too.

I have no idea where this statement even came from in context of the discussion.

But I wouldn't have to argue with God about "free will." The phrase (or anything translated remotely like it) doesn't appear in the Bible. I'd only be arguing with people who invented the term.

It's just the freedom to choose God's will or our own.

In fact most of the book is about stories of people that chose to do God's will and stories about people that chose their own will.
« Last Edit: Mon Apr 30, 2012 - 16:33:38 by Bitter Sweet »

Offline Cally

  • I am Christian. The rest is details.
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4453
  • Manna: 151
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #23 on: Mon Apr 30, 2012 - 19:03:48 »

And now I'm going to pick on atheists (or at least a large category of them) and their total failure to demonstrate a remotely cohesive value system. According to Darwinist theory, the purpose of all organisms is to reproduce. And yet, that's the same crowd that wants to promote acceptance of homosexuality. Homosexuals, according to Darwinists, fail at fulfilling the fundamental directive of all living things.

But suddenly, they don't bother to apply their ethos. They demonstrate that they are just looking for ways to oppose God, not establish a worldview.

And opposing the first gift that God gave man, free will, is moral? If you think free will is immoral then take up the issue with God, not Atheist and leave the gays out of it. Unless you you agree that having the free will to choose should be taken away from you too.

I have no idea where this statement even came from in context of the discussion.

But I wouldn't have to argue with God about "free will." The phrase (or anything translated remotely like it) doesn't appear in the Bible. I'd only be arguing with people who invented the term.

It's just the freedom to choose God's will or our own.

In fact most of the book is about stories of people that chose to do God's will and stories about people that chose their own will.

Yes, people make choices.  ::nodding:: Some right, some wrong.

There's no need to expound (i.e. make up a bunch of nonsense) on the fact by inventing a special term for that.

Offline Cally

  • I am Christian. The rest is details.
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4453
  • Manna: 151
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #24 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 00:06:34 »

Finally, the flaw of Darwinist theory is just so obvious that I can only think people just got tired of repeating it: evolution isn't necessary for superior abilities to survive.

Perhaps you should present a paper to that effect and thereby alert all scientists to the 'obvious flaw' which they have all overlooked.  You could make yourself a tidy sum then written a book and gain the inevitable film rights.

Good luck

I'm not the only one who has ever proposed that argument, I'm rather certain. I think the intelligent design folks have found it to be one of the many statements that result in Darwinists making matter-of-fact statements and just "walking away" from such a basic question that they can't answer.

In other words, they lose the argument so many ways and will ignore the replies, but what can you do?

I remember arguing against the selfish gene theory with someone and ended up getting retorts that just showed he was out of ideas but not going to change his mind. Basically, they propose that all ideological institutions (such as religions) exist to put someone "at the top" for the all-important task of passing on the genes, but then the existence of Darwinists themselves don't make any sense--why wouldn't Darwinists seek to become deceivers and inventors of new religions if that were the case, rather than become saints who reveal the truth to the general world?  ::shrug::

Offline wayseer

  • Orthodox
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
  • Manna: 12
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #25 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 02:06:40 »
I'm not the only one who has ever proposed that argument, I'm rather certain. I think the intelligent design folks have found it to be one of the many statements that result in Darwinists making matter-of-fact statements and just "walking away" from such a basic question that they can't answer.

In other words, they lose the argument so many ways and will ignore the replies, but what can you do?

I remember arguing against the selfish gene theory with someone and ended up getting retorts that just showed he was out of ideas but not going to change his mind. Basically, they propose that all ideological institutions (such as religions) exist to put someone "at the top" for the all-important task of passing on the genes, but then the existence of Darwinists themselves don't make any sense--why wouldn't Darwinists seek to become deceivers and inventors of new religions if that were the case, rather than become saints who reveal the truth to the general world?  ::shrug::

What has any of this to do with Darwin's theory of evolution?

You claim there is some 'flaw' in the theory.  Elaborate.


Offline Jimmy

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14574
  • Manna: 294
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #26 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 07:41:41 »
The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?


Perhaps if you could provide us with the passages in the Bible which actually claims that God created every individual organism it would make things much easier. I have not come across such a claim.

Offline Pfc Hall

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 214
  • Manna: 43
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #27 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 09:28:21 »
I don't know.

Offline Cally

  • I am Christian. The rest is details.
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4453
  • Manna: 151
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #28 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 14:12:35 »
The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?


Perhaps if you could provide us with the passages in the Bible which actually claims that God created every individual organism it would make things much easier. I have not come across such a claim.

You mean besides the fact that God made Adam from the ground up? Not from an ape?

1:21 God created the large sea creatures, and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind. God saw that it was good.
1:22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
1:23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
1:24 God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, livestock, creeping things, and animals of the earth after their kind;" and it was so.
1:25 God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.
1:26 God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Are you serious, Jimmy?

Offline Thankfulldad

  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3095
  • Manna: 222
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #29 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 14:38:52 »
The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?


Perhaps if you could provide us with the passages in the Bible which actually claims that God created every individual organism it would make things much easier. I have not come across such a claim.

Really?  Now this explains so much ::frown::

Offline Cally

  • I am Christian. The rest is details.
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 4453
  • Manna: 151
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #30 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 22:45:03 »
I'm not the only one who has ever proposed that argument, I'm rather certain. I think the intelligent design folks have found it to be one of the many statements that result in Darwinists making matter-of-fact statements and just "walking away" from such a basic question that they can't answer.

In other words, they lose the argument so many ways and will ignore the replies, but what can you do?

I remember arguing against the selfish gene theory with someone and ended up getting retorts that just showed he was out of ideas but not going to change his mind. Basically, they propose that all ideological institutions (such as religions) exist to put someone "at the top" for the all-important task of passing on the genes, but then the existence of Darwinists themselves don't make any sense--why wouldn't Darwinists seek to become deceivers and inventors of new religions if that were the case, rather than become saints who reveal the truth to the general world?  ::shrug::

What has any of this to do with Darwin's theory of evolution?

You claim there is some 'flaw' in the theory.  Elaborate.



The selfish gene? It's a way of explaining the fact that organisms (especially humans) can demonstrate traits of "altruism" that are quite hard to attribute to a directive to survive/reproduce--kind of a pain for Darwinists to explain. In the end it accuses good intentions still being based on getting yourself into positions for lots and lots of mates (becoming the big boss, I guess). Like religious institutions. Except if that were true, Darwinists should be keeping their little finding a secret and inflitrating the same system which is apparently so great for getting more mates.

Offline jeffallen

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 4
  • Manna: 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #31 on: Wed May 02, 2012 - 04:02:02 »
Well I believe in god and I am totally agree with you whatever you said.

Offline Jimmy

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14574
  • Manna: 294
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #32 on: Wed May 02, 2012 - 06:58:25 »
The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?


Perhaps if you could provide us with the passages in the Bible which actually claims that God created every individual organism it would make things much easier. I have not come across such a claim.

You mean besides the fact that God made Adam from the ground up? Not from an ape?

1:21 God created the large sea creatures, and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind. God saw that it was good.
1:22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
1:23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
1:24 God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, livestock, creeping things, and animals of the earth after their kind;" and it was so.
1:25 God made the animals of the earth after their kind, and the livestock after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind. God saw that it was good.
1:26 God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Are you serious, Jimmy?

So when the Bible says, God said, "let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, livestock, creeping things, ......", that really means God created living creatures after their kind, livestock, creeping things, ......?

And when the Bible says, God made the animals of the earth after their kind,......., that really means God created the animals of the earth after their kind?

Are you serious, Cally?  You see this is precisely the sort of really bad exegesis that gets you in trouble when you read the Bible.  If God had meant to say that He created the animals, why did He say only that He made the animals? 

The word create [Hebrew - bara] and the word make [Hebrew - asah] are two different words.  They do not mean the same thing. If that is the case, why then did God use two different words having two different meanings?

Yes, Cally, I am serious. 

Offline Jimmy

  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14574
  • Manna: 294
    • View Profile
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #33 on: Wed May 02, 2012 - 07:09:54 »
The whole debate is about whether or not God created every individual organism as the Bible claims or whether all organisms come from the same ancestry, and all this statement is really saying with "false dilemma" is that some creative person may come up with some other idea about how living things needn't have been created by God.

Stupid. Just a stupid retort. Do I really have to explain why?


Perhaps if you could provide us with the passages in the Bible which actually claims that God created every individual organism it would make things much easier. I have not come across such a claim.

Really?  Now this explains so much ::frown::

Yes.  Really.  You see when the Bible says something like, "Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light," you would insert your own particular creation theology into the actual words in the Bible and say it means that God created light.  There is more creation in your interpretation than there was in God's producing light.   You tend to insert your theology into God's word a lot Thankfulldad.  And that is why you are wrong on so much of what you believe about God's word says.

And, yes, that explains so much   ::frown::

Tell us, Thankfulldad, what does the following verse really mean.

Gen 1:12  And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind.

What does the phrase "the earth brought forth grass" really mean?  If it means God created the grass why doesn't it say that?

I have said many times on this forum that I am not necessarily a proponent of evolution, but the typical conservative Christian argument against evolution is really quite pathetic. 
« Last Edit: Wed May 02, 2012 - 07:18:01 by Jimmy »

p.rehbein

  • Guest
Re: The myth of Evolution being preached in the church
« Reply #34 on: Thu May 03, 2012 - 07:01:04 »
I'm not the only one who has ever proposed that argument, I'm rather certain. I think the intelligent design folks have found it to be one of the many statements that result in Darwinists making matter-of-fact statements and just "walking away" from such a basic question that they can't answer.

In other words, they lose the argument so many ways and will ignore the replies, but what can you do?

I remember arguing against the selfish gene theory with someone and ended up getting retorts that just showed he was out of ideas but not going to change his mind. Basically, they propose that all ideological institutions (such as religions) exist to put someone "at the top" for the all-important task of passing on the genes, but then the existence of Darwinists themselves don't make any sense--why wouldn't Darwinists seek to become deceivers and inventors of new religions if that were the case, rather than become saints who reveal the truth to the general world?  ::shrug::

What has any of this to do with Darwin's theory of evolution?

You claim there is some 'flaw' in the theory.  Elaborate.





In my opinion the "flaw" is qute visible............shoot, all any reasonable person has to do is google "The Orrigion of the Species" and look at the cover of the book.........if there is a Christian person on these forums who can look at that picture and tell me that it represents God's Truth..........then I have serious concerns for Christianity today..........sorry, just the way it is.......

Darwin's theory of evolution is based on life forms evolving from a lesser form to a greater form........one species to another species.......this is against the Word of God, and there is no scientific proof either.......just a "theory......."