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The first decorating of an evergreen tree was done by pagans in honor of their god Adonis, who after being slain was brought to life by the serpent Aesculapius.
The representation of this slain god was a dead stump of a tree. Around this stump coiled the snake Aesculapius symbol of life-restoring. And lo -- from the roots of the dead tree comes forth another and different tree -- and evergreen tree symbolic to pagans of a god who cannot die! In Egypt, this god was worshiped in a palm tree as Baal-Tamar.
The fir tree was worshiped in Rome as the same newborn god as Baal-Berith, who was restored to life by the same serpent, and a feast was held in honor of him on December 25th called the "Birthday of the unconquered Sun."

Now in Babylon's "Mystery" system of idol worship, the sun was called "Baal," the one and only god. So when Tammuz the son of the queen of heaven was worshiped as God he was also reverenced by the name of Baal.

Thus we can see how, in the annual custom of erecting and decorating evergreen trees, the Roman Catholic Church has brought down through the ages to us, the paganism of Baal or the worship of the sun, mingled with the worship of Aesculapius the serpent.
Whether erected in public or private, a tinseled and spangled evergreen tree is just a glaring symbol of the worship of this false god. So in keeping with the policy of Rome for centuries, while she keeps millions vainly supposing they do honor to Jesus Christ with a Christmas tree, they are actually even if unwittingly commemorating a pagan festival in honor of Baal, which thing our God hates

The First Decorating of the Evergreen Christmas Tree

They cut down a tree, and a craftsman carves an idol.
They decorate it with gold and silver and then fasten it securely with hammer and nails so it won’t fall over…..Jeremiah 10:3-4 (NLT)

Hear the word which the LORD speaks to you, O house of Israel. Thus says the LORD: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.

They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good."

Inasmuch as there is none like You, O LORD (You are great, and Your name is great in might),
Who would not fear You, O King of the nations? For this is Your rightful due. For among all the wise men of the nations, And in all their kingdoms, There is none like You.

But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine.
Silver is beaten into plates; It is brought from Tarshish, And gold from Uphaz, The work of the craftsman And of the hands of the metalsmith; Blue and purple are their clothing; They are all the work of skillful men.

But the LORD is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath, the earth will tremble, And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation.
Jeremiah 10:1-10

They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.
Jeremiah 10:4

They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good."
Jeremiah 10:5

But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine.
Silver is beaten into plates; It is brought from Tarshish, And gold from Uphaz, The work of the craftsman And of the hands of the metalsmith; Blue and purple are their clothing; They are all the work of skillful men.
Jeremiah 10:8-9

Thus you shall say to them: "The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens."
He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.
Jeremah 10:11-12

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It never fails:  Every year, some "educated" nut case goes off his meds and starts fantasizing about how Jeremiah was talking about Christmas trees, and pretending Christians are still under the Law of Moses.   ::noworries::  rofl

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It never fails:  Every year, some "educated" nut case goes off his meds and starts fantasizing about how Jeremiah was talking about Christmas trees, and pretending Christians are still under the Law of Moses.   ::noworries::  rofl

Feel free to call me a nut too, as I agree with TheWordIsOne, as it is history, & biblical, where as your comment, is just your way of trying to elevate yourself, whilst putting down others, even when cloaked with humour, but having zero substance.

By the way, I'm not doing bad as a nut at 66yo, & not taking any meds!!

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Feel free to call me a nut too, as I agree with TheWordIsOne,

Ok, you're a nut.


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as it is history, & biblical,

The first several paragraphs are assertions which may or may not be true, and for which I can find no confirmation they really have any link to Christmas trees, so the "history" aspect is dubious at best.

As for "Biblical," the idea that Jeremiah 10 has anything to do with "Christmas trees" has been long since debunked.  For example, here, here, and here.

While we're at it, this page is one of several that address the December 25 date.

Also, if you believe Christians are still bound by the Law of the Obsolete Covenant in order to attain righteousness, you have much bigger problems than being a nut, since you are fallen from grace and severed from Christ (Gal. 5:4).

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where as your comment, is just your way of trying to elevate yourself, whilst putting down others, even when cloaked with humour, but having zero substance.

I wasn't trying to elevate myself, but I was definitely trying to put down others.  I agree it had no real substance.  I get tired of whacking this stupid mole every year, and would prefer to just highhandedly dismiss it, which is all it deserves.

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By the way, I'm not doing bad as a nut at 66yo, & not taking any meds!!

Good for you!  I'll be 60 in a few months.  I did not make my goal of reaching at least 60 before needing any meds.  Just started popping BP pills a couple of months ago, when a kidney stone visit to the E.R. revealed my BP was 230/130.  Yee-haw!

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it never fails:  Every year, some "educated" nut case goes off his meds and starts fantasizing about how Jeremiah was talking about Christmas trees, and pretending Christians are still under the Law of Moses.   ::noworries::  rofl


Hi Greeting  ::announcment::
Wow I didn’t think anyone care, thank you, yes sometimes I can be nut, but a good one with a hard shell, they say that acorn can turn into wal-nut Lol, please bear with me my spelling might be off a little I love humor and people are funny.  ::groupprayer::

The information was to inform Believes, you may say I have a working compass to direct; well it direct myself to the Lord, I was going to say, people compass to direct to the south, not the north.
Jeremiah was a nut as well; he was called the weeping prophet, as you know Jeremiah give prophetic and prophecy of Jerusalem’s destruction by invasion from the north,

Here are some of Jeremiah calling
This is Prophecy and the fulfillment by Christ through Jeremiah one of many
Jeremiah The righteous Branch from the line of King David
(Jeremiah 23 5-6; Matt 1: 1, 17, 23)

Like Jeremiah, Jesus lamented over Jerusalem
(Jeremiah 4: 19; 9: 1; 10: 19-20; 23: 9; Luke 13: 31-35)

Would establish a New Covenant
(Jeremiah 31: 31; Luke 22: 20.


Maybe he trying to say something today for us today, for us it would be from the East.
The Lord always refer north, south, east, and west, in the scriptures as the Lord's compass, the Lord is a great mathematician, always location, numbers, and things the symbols, something good to know.

Oh sorry I’m educated, but I’m just lucky the Lord condition mind to learn, I think he calls it, the renewing and regeneration, so this is true

Titus 3:4-5 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

About the Christmas tree, I was wondering what was the location of the birth, of Christ, I didn’t think that his last name or his first is like humans not like John Dow, so I know him as the Christ Hebrew first name Yahshua transliteration  Messiah, today Jesus.
Anyway, I needed to into the heart of things, because I’m not Hebrew, but a Gentile that hurts, I had think as a Hebrew to know Christ and Christ is Aramaic, so much to learn O-MY. So as I was searching I needed type’s books in Aramaic was one of them, the other was the Dead Sea Scrolls, a book called NAG Hammadi  Scriptures, and many more, the gold was to think like an ancient Hebrew, now that’s very hard, but it works with dedications and passion and time, and many prayers.
 
what was?  The Catholic Christmas v Hebrews Christmas, they didn’t actually have Christmas, they have Jewish festivals or feast just like the Lord supper Christ-1 Corinthians 5: 7-8.
Ones I gather all the information, and boy Catholic history goes back always to 1st century CE in the province of Judea of the Roman Empire. That’s how I got this information about the Christmas tree, but it was from Egyptians theology, not Hebrews theology, and I know that are few individuals that study Hebrews theology and very fell Aramaic language, I have read some of the Aramaic language or Hebrews language.

Now I got just about all the history of the Catholic history and its deepest secrets, which inspire me to lead me to the location of the birth Christ, time, season, place, year, century and how it coincides with all the Hebrews Jewish festivals or feast.   
When say inspire, it was Christ that inspires m, he is my mathematician
The universe is a very big celestial clock; Christ is celestial, a great mystery ready like a scroll to be open. 

This a beautiful planet it’s not going to be here forever the world is experiment just like our constitution
I’m not educated just lucky to be alive Thank you

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The first decorating of an evergreen tree was done by pagans in honor of their god Adonis, who after being slain was brought to life by the serpent Aesculapius.
The representation of this slain god was a dead stump of a tree. Around this stump coiled the snake Aesculapius symbol of life-restoring. And lo -- from the roots of the dead tree comes forth another and different tree -- and evergreen tree symbolic to pagans of a god who cannot die! In Egypt, this god was worshiped in a palm tree as Baal-Tamar.
The fir tree was worshiped in Rome as the same newborn god as Baal-Berith, who was restored to life by the same serpent, and a feast was held in honor of him on December 25th called the "Birthday of the unconquered Sun."

Do you have any sources for this?  I have read that December 25th did not become a pagan holiday in the Roman empire until some time after Christianity appeared-- probably as a rival holiday for Christmas.  Some Christians probably presumed that Jesus was conceived at the same time of the year that He rose from the dead, hence the December 25th and January 6th competing dates for the nativity which both fall exactly 9 months after two competing dates for Paschal celebrations they had come up with on the Roman calendar.
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Now in Babylon's "Mystery" system of idol worship, the sun was called "Baal," the one and only god. So when Tammuz the son of the queen of heaven was worshiped as God he was also reverenced by the name of Baal.

Do you have any sources associating Baal with the sun per se?  I have read of Baal being associated with rain and the sky, but not the sun per se.  It was also a generic title that could be used rather broadly. 

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Thus we can see how, in the annual custom of erecting and decorating evergreen trees, the Roman Catholic Church has brought down through the ages to us, the paganism of Baal or the worship of the sun, mingled with the worship of Aesculapius the serpent.
Whether erected in public or private, a tinseled and spangled evergreen tree is just a glaring symbol of the worship of this false god.

Do you have any sources for this?

If you see vines wrapped around a tree, do you see pagan worship?  What about snakes wrapping around their pray?  Are they trying to worship a Greek god or get something to eat? 

Do you have any evidence that evergreen trees were associated with this particular false god?

 
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So in keeping with the policy of Rome for centuries, while she keeps millions vainly supposing they do honor to Jesus Christ with a Christmas tree, they are actually even if unwittingly commemorating a pagan festival in honor of Baal, which thing our God hates

Rarely have I heard anything along the lines of a Christmas tree being used to specifically to honor Jesus.  It's a decoration used during a time when people remember Christ's birth....and buy a bunch of presents and have parties during generic 'holidays'.

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The First Decorating of the Evergreen Christmas Tree

They cut down a tree, and a craftsman carves an idol.
They decorate it with gold and silver and then fasten it securely with hammer and nails so it won’t fall over…..Jeremiah 10:3-4 (NLT)

Is there anything in this passage that indicates this is an evergreen tree?

Take a look at verse 3, 'and a craftsman carves it into an idol.  I have never seen a carved Christmas tree.  I haven't seen anyone carve it into an image found in the earth or under the earth.  A tree is a natural thing from the earth. 

The pagans back then used to take trees and actually carve idols out of them. Some of them would be wood overlayed with gold. Why would you think this passage is about Christmas trees instead of actual graven images? 

An Israelite should not have an idol in his house or his back yard, right?  An idol in the backyard was wrong.  If you say one should not have an ever green tree in his house, is it wrong to have a pine tree in your back yard?  Is that idolatry in your opinion?

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This a beautiful planet it’s not going to be here forever the world is experiment just like our constitution  I’m not educated just lucky to be alive Thank you

first!...you're not a "NUT." I'm pretty sure, MANY in Noah's day, thought something was wrong, with him and his family. until the FLOOD ACTUALLY HIT! some that call themselves speaking concerning the Bible as though they have accurate knowledge, yet don't ,(Pro. 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding), but tend to put others down for what they believe. are NOT true followers of Jesus, especially if they result to name calling.

as for that you said concerning this Planet, sorry, but that's NOT TRUE. Jehovah God's words shows that this world will ALWAYS be here ,(Eccles. 1:4 One generation goes, and another generation comes; but the earth remains forever).

Jesus verified that this would will be here forever ,(Matt. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth). we know he's referring to the future. because as of now, there's both the Righteous and unrighteous who lives on Earth. peace

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Jesus verified that this would be here forever,(Matt. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth). we know he's referring to the future. because as of now, there's both the Righteous and unrighteous who lives on Earth. peace


 
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The future the old ends a new beginning
Isaiah 65:17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, And the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind.

The New Jerusalem the meek

Matthew 5:3-12 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

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