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« on: November 05, 2009, 12:08:28 AM »

Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I am amazed that that 60's-ish "let's everybody just feel good with love and peace" sort of attitude often penetrates the language of God's people.

Paul advised to beware of people who argue about the law. Interestingly we have cultural laws today that are defended and people forget their roots. As I understand it, for instance, people taking off their hats indoors is a remnant of the head coverings laws in the NT, however, if someone tries to enforce half of the law without caring about the second half, then there probably isn't a whole lot of concern about what the actual meaning of the law really is.

THAT'S an example of legalism--keeping the law just for "keeping the law" without any real meaning in sight. (One possible meaning is "communication" in customs, of course)

At any rate, see above: this "theological" belief is a requirement for our salvation. "But what does this have to do with how I treat Suzy over here?" Dare I also hear such a person also say that, therefore, that point isn't worth arguing about? Clearly the interpersonal treatment comes out of our beliefs, but what I'm saying is, we draw from the Head of Christ or else there will be no "agree to disagree." We know that human beings are made to serve God, and if that's true, how could we possibly get along with the unbeliever, despite how "love and peace" (socially "nice") he or she seems to be? We also know that if a person truly loves, then they will respond to God and accept Him if He is properly introduced. If they love the truth, they'll accept God.

Something to think about. Making everyone "feel good" is good! But in faith we know that that only legitimately happens when we do it God's way. I know there is a gentle approach and a harsh approach (I picture Paul's statement to Corinth about a "staff" or a "whip"), and sometimes knowing where in that spectrum to go at what time is tricky, what will communicate the right thing, and of course, doing so all in love for fear of the Lord (Jude: "mercy, mixed with fear").
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 12:47:29 AM »


Dear Brother Cally, I like the idea you present. There are far more important things than getting caught up into doing and don'ting and it reminds me of the following verse.

Romans 14:1. Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

God is the One working in us to grow in grace and knowledge. Hope that makes sense.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 03:23:31 AM »

^Romans 14:1, referring to the weaker brother, I believe, is saying that while we should accept the brother, don't let him start arguments about "eating food to idols is evil" or nonsense like that, even if he is personally struggling with getting out of those sorts of thinking (tolerating him even if he's in that weaker mindset).

Otherwise, yes, the law is fundamentally for busting people. That's pretty much all it does, and then filled with fruits of the spirit fills other things out and we learn what to do with ourselves instead.

. . .  Doh!

Sorry Larry I realized that that was what you were saying anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 07:49:16 AM »

Any irony in this thread?
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 06:56:33 PM »

Meh, this is probably the most badly-articulated thing I've ever posted around here. My fault. I had in mind "religious tolerance."
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 07:45:53 PM »

God tell us this first

Mark 16:16
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

and through Paul this next


Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

And then THE BELOW VERSE Notice God tells believing parents dont forget your children have them baptized to ---Because God "will call" them to believe.

Lutherans believe infant children Baptized cant disbelieve in Jesus when  God CALLS  them TO BELIEVE in baptism. Infants Will believe.
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Acts 2:38-40

 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."

 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."




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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 11:10:55 PM »

I agree with the thrust of it.  It does not seem to be politically correct in much of the church today, as you point out.  The body has it's work cut out, doesn't it?
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 02:23:03 AM »

Romans 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I am amazed that that 60's-ish "let's everybody just feel good with love and peace" sort of attitude often penetrates the language of God's people.

Paul advised to beware of people who argue about the law. Interestingly we have cultural laws today that are defended and people forget their roots. As I understand it, for instance, people taking off their hats indoors is a remnant of the head coverings laws in the NT, however, if someone tries to enforce half of the law without caring about the second half, then there probably isn't a whole lot of concern about what the actual meaning of the law really is.

THAT'S an example of legalism--keeping the law just for "keeping the law" without any real meaning in sight. (One possible meaning is "communication" in customs, of course)

At any rate, see above: this "theological" belief is a requirement for our salvation. "But what does this have to do with how I treat Suzy over here?" Dare I also hear such a person also say that, therefore, that point isn't worth arguing about? Clearly the interpersonal treatment comes out of our beliefs, but what I'm saying is, we draw from the Head of Christ or else there will be no "agree to disagree." We know that human beings are made to serve God, and if that's true, how could we possibly get along with the unbeliever, despite how "love and peace" (socially "nice") he or she seems to be? We also know that if a person truly loves, then they will respond to God and accept Him if He is properly introduced. If they love the truth, they'll accept God.

Something to think about. Making everyone "feel good" is good! But in faith we know that that only legitimately happens when we do it God's way. I know there is a gentle approach and a harsh approach (I picture Paul's statement to Corinth about a "staff" or a "whip"), and sometimes knowing where in that spectrum to go at what time is tricky, what will communicate the right thing, and of course, doing so all in love for fear of the Lord (Jude: "mercy, mixed with fear").

Good stuff. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 03:37:20 PM »

One thing we have to remember is that everyone are on different levels of learning and instead of bashing someone for not believing the way you do we need to have love and compassion and let Gods word speak for it's self and allow the Holy Spirit teach us all things, John 14:26. Some are taught through theology, through traditions and mans interpretations. Two people can disagree on the simplest things of Gods word and deem they are both right, but Gods word has one meaning and one interpretation and taught to us through His Spirit. We are to live by the commandment of love for everyone including our enemies and not only to love them unconditionally like Jesus loves us this way but to also pray for those who do not have Christ in them. It's a persons freewill choice to accept or reject God, but His word will always stand true and faithful.

As you can see in all the scriptures from Genesis chapter one to chapter twelve there is no mention of God creating any form of religion. We see God making a covenant with his people and how even after the covenant promises God made to Noah and to Abraham and his seed how man still turned away from God unto their own imaginations.

The disciples could not understand with their carnal minds, Romans 8:7, what Jesus was teaching them, but they knew he was a prophet sent from God and accepted the authority and power which he taught with through miracles, signs and wonders. It would not be until the Spirit of God was taken up out of the tomb and revealed to the hearts of those who believed on him that the same Spirit would be sent back down to dwell in the hearts of those who believed, Acts 1:2-8; Acts 2:1-4.

Acts 2:38,39 When we repent of our sins and ask Jesus into our hearts we are also receiving the promise of God that his Spirit will come and dwell in our hearts and teach us of all things we need to learn, John 14:26. The baptism that Peter was talking about in Acts 2:38 was a Spiritual rebirth through the word of God. Some people think it is being dunked or sprinkled with water the way John the Baptist did and there is nothing wrong with that for it is an outward appearance to man that you have received Jesus and the Holy Spirit into your life, Matthew 3:11, but Jesus himself never baptized with water for the baptism of Jesus was for receiving the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) that helps us to know the will of the Father, 1 Thessalonians 4:1-12.

John 14:26 but the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things and bring all things back to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Theology can not teach you, man can not teach you, it is only by the Holy Spirit we will know all things that God wants to reveal to us for the time we need to know it.   
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 07:54:14 PM »


Theology can not teach you, man can not teach you, it is only by the Holy Spirit we will know all things that God wants to reveal to us for the time we need to know it.  

And this statement, ironically, is "theology."  Smile

You're kind of talking about something else. The Holy Spirit always teaches all things, and every good thing comes from above, and the Holy Spirit is what teaches us (or rather enables us to understand) theology and knowledge.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2009, 11:14:18 AM »


Theology can not teach you, man can not teach you, it is only by the Holy Spirit we will know all things that God wants to reveal to us for the time we need to know it.  

And this statement, ironically, is "theology."  Smile

You're kind of talking about something else. The Holy Spirit always teaches all things, and every good thing comes from above, and the Holy Spirit is what teaches us (or rather enables us to understand) theology and knowledge.

One thing we have to look at in theology that there are a lot of personal opinions through the way one is taught and opinions are only speculations of ones interpretation.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 04:09:54 PM »

Theology has no place in anything, man is always trying to earn his place in heaven, and mostly cant see it. If you took your bible and threw it away, stopped going to church, stopped trying to show outwardly that you where a christain, then God may have a chance to start working on the inside of you to change you into what He requires. But no it is not enough. The price Jesus paid on the cross, was never enough for man, the Holy spirirt, is not good enough for us, neither is Jesus or God, the enemy still cries out to man, " ye are Gods", and so we try to become like Him, forming God in our image, instead of becoming in His image. God never worte the bible, get over it, Jesus died, sent us the Holy spirit so that He could teach us the truth, it God so small in your mind that He is incapable of teaching you without a book. It was enough for the disciples to be led by the Holy spirit withour a book, it was enough for Jesus to pray to God and have Him lead Him through the day, so why is it not enough for us,Its because if you stop reading the bible your flesh is going to get upset, your friends will think you are weird, you stop going to church and they will say your not a christan and will probably desert you, Jesus said it would happen, The work Jesus did on the cross is what makes you approved of God, the works of the flesh count for nothing. And ask yourself this, if the bible is from God who is not the author of confusion, why are so many christains confused about God when they read the bible?? why do they disagree on evrything, why do they pick at one another all the time why so much division, that is not from God.

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 04:30:42 PM »

Theology can not teach you, man can not teach you, it is only by the Holy Spirit we will know all things that God wants to reveal to us for the time we need to know it.   

That sounds a whole lot like you are saying that we do not need teachers of the word of God.  Is that what you mean?
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2009, 04:32:42 PM »

Theology has no place in anything, man is always trying to earn his place in heaven, and mostly cant see it. If you took your bible and threw it away, stopped going to church, stopped trying to show outwardly that you where a christain, then God may have a chance to start working on the inside of you to change you into what He requires. But no it is not enough. The price Jesus paid on the cross, was never enough for man, the Holy spirirt, is not good enough for us, neither is Jesus or God, the enemy still cries out to man, " ye are Gods", and so we try to become like Him, forming God in our image, instead of becoming in His image. God never worte the bible, get over it, Jesus died, sent us the Holy spirit so that He could teach us the truth, it God so small in your mind that He is incapable of teaching you without a book. It was enough for the disciples to be led by the Holy spirit withour a book, it was enough for Jesus to pray to God and have Him lead Him through the day, so why is it not enough for us,Its because if you stop reading the bible your flesh is going to get upset, your friends will think you are weird, you stop going to church and they will say your not a christan and will probably desert you, Jesus said it would happen, The work Jesus did on the cross is what makes you approved of God, the works of the flesh count for nothing. And ask yourself this, if the bible is from God who is not the author of confusion, why are so many christains confused about God when they read the bible?? why do they disagree on evrything, why do they pick at one another all the time why so much division, that is not from God.

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2009, 05:08:20 PM »

Actualy soterion, there are many people, non christains who came to Christ without ever hearing the scriptures or reading a bible, Jesus is quiet capable of teaching people without a book. the disciples didnt have one, they taught from the spirit, seems that worldy people are incapable of hearing from Him or think they might be going mad because they are hearing voices. " My sheep hear my voice and will follow no other".
See Jesus says where not mad .

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