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Offline david johnson

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« on: Fri Feb 07, 2003 - 18:51:58 »
james:

i voted 'no', but not for any deep theological reason.  i think the Lord has more He wants to see happen with humans than has occured thus far.

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« Reply #1 on: Fri Feb 07, 2003 - 23:55:29 »
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[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Nontheless, I believe it is imperative that we live as if Christ's coming is just beyond the horizon, and may be here at any moment! [/quote]

As I was typing a response on this one without a vote and I reread what you posted.  The final sentence, which is what we should all be doing regardless, actually swayed my vote.  I voted \"yes\" after reading your last sentence.  If we live as if Christs coming is just beyond the horizon, and may be here momentarily, then we believe He will return in our lifetime!

Thanks!  I was going to straddle the fence on this one, which is very unusual for me :0  I'm just too opinionated to normally do something like that :D

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« Reply #2 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 01:49:48 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]SoaPman wrote:
Okay,

So, according one of the verses James listed, Jesus said He will come when you do not expect him...

So, if I vote yes, expecting he will return in my lifetime, doesn't that mean he won't return in my lifetime?

Or, does He, knowing that I expect Him and that by expecting Him it means He won't return, consider a return in my lifetime unexpected?

If I expect and He knows I expect, but I know that He knows that I expect and therefore I expect it because it's unexpected, aren't we back to being expectant?  Or would it again be unexpected?

But, if I expect and He knows I expect, but I know that He knows that I expect and therefore I expect because it's unexpected, but He knows that I expect because it's unexpected and then....
                      
                            I'm getting a little woozie here.
 

I think I'll just vote on this later... if there is a later???[/quote]
My head hurts!!!  :(

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« Reply #3 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 12:59:03 »
So Jim, I have a question that's been tumbling around in my empty skull just waiting for a preterist to explain to me.

Do you celebrate the Lord's Supper?  Now here's why I ask.
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]1Cor. 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 18:12:31 »
Thanks Jim.

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« Reply #5 on: Sun Feb 09, 2003 - 23:31:47 »
Just playing the odds.  I figure if I'm lucky I'll live another 30-40 years.  That's just a small blip in history.  Any specific event found at random on the timeline of history will not, according to the odds, take place in my lifetime.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Feb 07, 2003 - 18:32:09 »
No man knows the day, nor the hour, of the Second Coming of Christ... The Scriptures seem to make this point clear (cf. Matt. 24:3, 44; Mk. 13:32).

That being said, do you believe that it will happen in your lifetime?...

What causes you to believe this, or to disbelieve it?...

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Feb 07, 2003 - 20:43:21 »
I also voted \"no,\" without any strongly held reason. I guess it just seems statistically unlikely that the second coming (now delayed about 1973 years) will come in the remaining 45-50 years maximum that I can live.

Nontheless, I believe it is imperative that we live as if Christ's coming is just beyond the horizon, and may be here at any moment!  :D  :clap:  :D

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 00:18:05 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (James Rondon @ Feb. 07 2003,6:32)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]No man knows the day, nor the hour, of the Second Coming of Christ... The Scriptures seem to make this point clear (cf. Matt. 24:3, 44; Mk. 13:32).[/quote]
Okay,

So, according one of the verses James listed, Jesus said He will come when you do not expect him...
 
So, if I vote yes, expecting he will return in my lifetime, doesn't that mean he won't return in my lifetime?

Or, does He, knowing that I expect Him and that by expecting Him it means He won't return, consider a return in my lifetime unexpected?

If I expect and He knows I expect, but I know that He knows that I expect and therefore I expect it because it's unexpected, aren't we back to being expectant?  Or would it again be unexpected?

But, if I expect and He knows I expect, but I know that He knows that I expect and therefore I expect because it's unexpected, but He knows that I expect because it's unexpected and then....
                      
                             I'm getting a little woozie here.
 :doh:

I think I'll just vote on this later... if there is a later??????

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 06:12:56 »
In the last year I find myself becoming more preterist .... which means He already came, and hence the \"no\" vote was an easy one!

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 16:11:49 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Never wrote:
So Jim, I have a question that's been tumbling around in my empty skull just waiting for a preterist to explain to me.

Do you celebrate the Lord's Supper?[/quote]
Hi Never... I asked the same question some time ago on another thread. I never received an answer.

As far as the topic at hand is concerned, I consider myself a Pan-Millenialist... This of course means that I believe everything will just \"pan-out\" in the end.

I do, however, believe that the Lord will come during my lifetime (assuming that I live another 50 years... however, I believe that it will happen before then). This is due to several reasons.

As mentioned already, whether it happens today, in 20 years, or in someone else's lifetime, we should continue to live our lives with a great sense of expactancy, and watchfulness:

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]\"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.\" (Mark 13:32-37, KJV)[/quote]



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« Reply #11 on: Sat Feb 08, 2003 - 17:43:54 »
Never......I lean more to the preterist side because it offers the least amount of scriptural problems concerning the second coming. But it does have it's problems. too. The biggest one, the one that keeps me from full fledged support is the lack of post AD70 comment by the early church \"fathers\". It just seems that there should be some mention of such an event by those who were closest to it chronologically.
As for the verse in question, I would reply that this is written specifically to a group of people who would be around at the coming in AD70. After such a time I think the thought is that most would be with Christ in heaven.
I don't see it as a problem for us in modern times as we can identify with the Lord's instruction to do it in rememberence of him.
But as one who is new to the study of preterism, I am probably not the best one to answer too many questions. Perhaps I should send an e-mail to Cecil Hook and see what he replies.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun Feb 09, 2003 - 23:26:52 »
It seems that the majority has shifted, and is now leaning heavily in favor of \"not in my lifetime\"... I'm not too surprised by this, and assumed that it would probably tilt in this direction.

That being said, why did those of you that voted \"not in my lifetime\" cast your vote in this manner?

Are there any particular reasons behind this line of thought?

 

     
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