Quote from: yogi bear on Yesterday at 10:06:50
John 6:63 (KJV) 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Are reading this verse carefully yogi?
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Need help? How much does sinful flesh profit, with its will IN BONDAGE to sin and all of its lusts?
Yes Red, I think I have read it carefully enough to understand that man can not save himself it is the spirit that quickeneth.
It is done through the word of God because the words that Christ speaks (or give his Apostles to speak) they are spirit, and they are life just as it is recorded.
So how is one saved? It is through the gospel sent out to men. The words of God call men unto him. So many scripture teach this. Man is called but not forced to accept.
Jn 6:68 — Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Jn 12:49 — For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Ro 10:8-10 — But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ro 10:17 — So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1Th 2:13 — For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Heb 4:12 — For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1Pe 1:23 — Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
And many many more scriptures to say the same.
Then you haven passages as this
John 3:15-17 (KJV)
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
What do they believe? The word.
Who is the Word? Jesus
What words does Jesus teach? those God gave him.
Who should not perish? whosoever believeth in him (the gospel of Christ)
Not as you say God hand selects a few against their will (with out them choosing on their own) but whosoever believeth in him.
So Red I do not understand what you were getting at with "Need help? How much does sinful flesh profit, with its will IN BONDAGE to sin and all of its lusts? "
I feel you are going to try to tell me that man can not understand the gospel and respond while still in their sinful state but scripture and many of them discredit you assumption.