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Offline johntwayne

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Re: The Universal Reign Of God
« Reply #35 on: Sat Aug 14, 2021 - 07:48:08 »
RB, You hang your hat on the precept of faith OF Jesus; yet you seem not able to define what that could possibly be.  The writer of Hebrews defined faith in Chapter 11 and presented us with examples of some of faith of some of the key biblical characters.  There was Abel, Enoch, Noah, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, the prophets, and of course one of Paul's favorite, i.e., Abraham.  We read there that all these were commended, i.e., obtained a good report, through their faith. 

Guess who is not mentioned in all of that Chapter as having faith. We read not a single word about the faith OF Jesus in that entire chapter. If, as you insist, our salvation rests upon the faith of Jesus, certainly Hebrews of all the books in the NT, would have said something about the faith of Jesus.  Jesus occupies the central theme in Hebrews.  The great subject of the book is Jesus Christ.  And yet for all of that, not one thing is ever said about Jesus having or needing faith. That is because the very idea that Jesus needed to have faith in God is simply ludicrous. 

All those spoken of in Hebrews 11 were mentioned because of their faith in God.  But Jesus isn't one of them.  Why?  Simple! Jesus did not need to have faith in God, He was God in the flesh. He is the "author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2).  Jesus is the subject of our faith.  It is that faith, faith IN Jesus, whereby we are saved.  (KJV)Gen 15:6  And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [God] counted it to him for righteousness. It was Abraham's faith that was counted to him for righteousness.  It is our faith, our believing, in God, in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, that is counted to us for righteousness; counted to us for righteousness, i.e., justified, i.e, saved.

John tells us that he wrote his gospel "so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31)

It is by believing, by having faith, that we have eternal life.  It is our believing; it is our faith.


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Re: The Universal Reign Of God
« Reply #36 on: Sat Aug 14, 2021 - 07:50:38 »
Let me ask you one question~WHO made you differ from the one that shall perish in the lake of fire~or, what can you boast of having that was not given to you? If you will not answer me, then answer Paul's question.

I'll answer for myself~God made the difference in my life from those that shall eventually perish~every thing I have that has any true value to it, was graciously given to me......spiritual blessings and gifts. God forbid that I should ever glory except in the cross of Jessu Christ.
Agreed; but what is your point? That God caused you to believe and did not cause those others to believe?  Heresy.

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Re: The Universal Reign Of God
« Reply #37 on: Sat Aug 14, 2021 - 13:21:21 »
Johntwayne~You at least could add something to what 4WD said in his post to me~afterall, that was one of his best points yet for me to address and address I will, most likely early in the morning when my body and mind are rested and flesh.

I appreciate men like 4WD who will at least defends their understanding. You men need to jump in there and give him a helping hand.......pretty sure he's going to need some help.  ::smile::
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