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To jest or not to jest. That is the question.
« on: March 02, 2012, 03:38:31 PM »
Is jesting a sin?

Eph 5.4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not appropriate; but rather giving of thanks.

No banter, witty jokes, or good -natured ribbing?? ::eek::  Really?? ???  

No jesting would make for a very bland and somber world.::eek::  

I'm very distressed over this. 

How should this be interpreted? Anybody know?

THANK YOU!

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Re: To jest or not to jest. That is the question.
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 03:49:47 PM »
I love to joke around and it is never filthy , etc.

But I have often wondered if it is wrong.   ???

i know when i joke with some one and it makes me feel bad, then it was probably not a good idea, so i go and apologize to that person.   ::pray::
::frustrated:: Headaches

I am not living in hell and if this is heaven then God lied and God is not a liar!!!

Pro 1:23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 04:09:43 PM »

Maybe it only applies if there is malicious intent???
That would make sense to me but since it doesn't clarify, I'm very confused.   ???

Anyone? Bueller? 

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Re: To jest or not to jest. That is the question.
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 04:26:37 PM »
Is jesting a sin?

Eph 5.4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not appropriate; but rather giving of thanks.

No banter, witty jokes, or good -natured ribbing?? ::eek::  Really?? ???  

No jesting would make for a very bland and somber world.::eek::  

I'm very distressed over this. 

How should this be interpreted? Anybody know?

THANK YOU!


Not a sin apparently - if it is appropriate.

http://bible.cc/ephesians/5-4.htm

Nor jesting - εὐτραπελία eutrapelia. This word occurs also nowhere else in the New Testament. It properly means, that which is "well-turned" εὐ eu - well, and τρεπω trepō - to turn); and then that which is sportive, refined, courteous; and then "urbanity, humor, wit; and then jesting, levity" - which is evidently the meaning here. The apostle would not forbid courteousness, or refinement of manners (compare 1 Peter 3:8), and the reference, therefore, must be to that which is light and trifling in conversation; to that which is known among us as jesting. It may be observed:

(1) that "courteousness" is not forbidden in the Scriptures, but is positively required; 1 Peter 3:8.

(2) "Cheerfulness" is not forbidden - for if anything can make cheerful, it is the hope of heaven.

(3) "Pleasantry" cannot be forbidden. I mean that quiet and gentle humor that arises from good-nature, and that makes one good-natured in spite of himself.

Such are many of the poems of Cowper, and many of the essays of Addison in the "Spectator" - a benevolent humor which disposes us to smile, but not to be malignant; to be good-natured, but not to inspire levity. But levity and jesting, though often manifested by ministers and other Christians, are as inconsistent with true dignity as with the gospel. Where were they seen in the conversation of the Redeemer? Where in the writings of Paul?

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 05:42:40 PM »
Thanks for the explanation Victor...but I'm still confused.  ::headscratch::

"... to be good-natured, but not to inspire levity."  

Levity is a sin? But to jest is not?  ???

Levity is behaviour intended to amuse. It's basically the same thing.

Generally speaking, is it safe to say as long as the jokes/ribbing are all in good fun and nobody gets offended, you can go for those belly laughs and not sin?  

How does this impact humor writing?

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 05:56:24 PM »
As God created us, and He certainly gave SOME of us a sense of humor, don't see the problem.........

 ::pondering:: ::headscratch:: ::frown::

I'm pretty sure God has a sense of humor, in fact, I'm quite certain of it!  I am reminded of it every morning when I look in the mirror...............

 ::sleeping:: ::scared:: ::mopingaround::


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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 06:00:42 PM »
As God created us, and He certainly gave SOME of us a sense of humor, don't see the problem.........

 ::pondering:: ::headscratch:: ::frown::

I'm pretty sure God has a sense of humor, in fact, I'm quite certain of it!  I am reminded of it every morning when I look in the mirror...............

 ::sleeping:: ::scared:: ::mopingaround::



oh you beat me to it. even though i have never seen you.   rofl  rofl ::giggle::  oh
::frustrated:: Headaches

I am not living in hell and if this is heaven then God lied and God is not a liar!!!

Pro 1:23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 06:27:09 PM »
Dear sister, I have posted this before in response to something somewhere, but I believe it bears repeating in answer to your question.

Can Christians Retain A Sense Of Humor?
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I have a dear friend and brother in the Lord that I talk to weekly long distance by phone, and now that I've gone on line we correspond that way also. He grew up in a superstitious family from Puerto Rico, and retained some of that regardless of accepting the Lord as his savior. To set the scene I started receiving emails from him that would suggest the things that would come my way by either forwarding the message to 7 other persons, or the consequences of not doing so. He is a great Salsa dancer and I told you that so you would understand the following sarcasm I used. Hope you have the freedom in Christ to still have a sense of humor.

That reminds me of the man that went to church and got religion, then came home and told his wife and son what he had done. His son then went back to the barn to finish his chores and saw their old mule standing there with its head hanging down, looking half dead and slobbering and he just asked the mule, did you get religion too? When we receive Christ we have new life and that should be reflected to others.

Back to what I'm trying to say. When I received Jose's reply I laughed so hard and long I couldn't even tell my wife what it was all about. Attempting to bring his attention to what he was doing I sent the following email.
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email sent to superstitious Jose -

Brother Joey, I'm getting funny feelings like I'm supposed to send at least 20,000 of these emails to different recipients within an hour to avoid disaster, and exactly 20,001 to become rich and regain my youth and health; WOW! The mysterious thing about it is that I'm to do all this without the aid of any means to keep track of the amount of email's I send or the time limits. One other thing, to confuse me even further, I must continue chanting "mumbamumba dumb.me" throughout the process while dancing the "Macarena," or whatever that dance is called. I keep thinking I want to do the "Salsa" instead but I don't know how - HELP! Oh-oh, times a wasting so I better get this message off to you quick and start building my exaggeratingly long address list in a hurry. Next I have to learn to use it at super-speed - I think I'm starting to look over my shoulder for a dove or some other great omen of safety.  ::smile::

Love in the precious name of Jesus.
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email I received from Jose 

Hello Laughing boy and girl,

Boy, it didn't take you long to learn how to transmit your sense of humor electronically, did it. I can just imagine you just laughing it up in your retirement. Luckily you have Holli and I who understand your morbid sense of humor and love you anyway. It's only through the love of God that we are able to do this. Just kidding, we love you both because you first cared. You accepted the both of us even though we may act stupid some times. Thanks

Feel free to send me the 20,000 and 3 email messages. I'll just delete them...or do you think bad luck will come upon me and turn me into a gremlin?

Love you very much in Jesus name, Joey

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Re: To jest or not to jest. That is the question.
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 02:53:04 PM »
Sometimes it helps to compare several translations.

NLT:
Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.

NKJV:
neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

NIV:
Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

NASB:
and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

GW:
It’s not right that dirty stories, foolish talk, or obscene jokes should be mentioned among you either. Instead, give thanks to God.

KJV:
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

ESV:
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.



It seems to me that Paul is not saying don't tell jokes. It's the kind of jokes. Let's look at the verse in context. (Quote is from the ESV, my current preference.)

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Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous ( that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6  Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them; 8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11  Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.

Sexual immorality, impurity and covetousness. That's what is being discussed here.

Walk as children of light, and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. If you would be uncomfortable telling a certain joke to Jesus, don't tell it to anyone.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 10:47:16 AM »
Is jesting a sin?

Eph 5.4 nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not appropriate; but rather giving of thanks.

No banter, witty jokes, or good -natured ribbing?? ::eek::  Really?? ???  

No jesting would make for a very bland and somber world.::eek::  

I'm very distressed over this. 

How should this be interpreted? Anybody know?
I am sorry to have upset you with that quote in the other thread.

Like I said there, it is how you intrepret it.

Almost everyone I know (with the excpetion of a few Fundamentalist Baptists I used to work for) intreprets it as COARSE jesting, from the immediate context of sexual immorality and coveting in the previous verse. IOW - making light fun of sin.

I too take that position on it. But my fundy employers back in highschool saw it as prohibiting ANY humor of any kind. (disregarding the incredible puns in the Gospels) I also got rebuked by one of them for singing a "happy" christian song, to which I replied "The Joy of the Lord is my strength."  To which he replied "that is God's joy - NOT YOURS!" 

What an unhappy lot.

IMO stay away from joking about overt sin and you should be just fine with that scripture.

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2012, 10:53:45 AM »
definition of jesting --- poking fun at each other with a stick.

ooops, no that would be jousting  i think, ::frustrated::
ive got to get my eyes checked again
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I am not living in hell and if this is heaven then God lied and God is not a liar!!!

Pro 1:23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.