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« on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 07:42:45 »
David Mathews,

I did answer the questions you gave me and you willfully said that I did not.  If you lied about that why should I believe you on anything else?

A lot of you mocked me for saying that atheists just want to be left alone, but we feel just as persecuted at times as some of you Christian folk do.  I know a man who is an athiest and he lost a court case because of it which cost him his job.   Many believing people harass us and tell us they hope we will go to hell and burn forever.  A lot of the times our little pro-evolution walking fishes get ripped off our cars and the body work dented in as well.  

If you doubt this look at some of the things written in the "Letter to the Editor" section in "The Skeptical Review" as well as the "Feedback" forum over at II.  If you think we are just whining explain to me why  atheists who own businesses cannot be open about their viewpoint for fear of losing their livelyhood?

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« Reply #1 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 12:43:55 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (B. H. @ June 22 2002,00:46)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]david mathews:

the willingness to display agape-style behaviors toward atheists will not make them feel welcome, but we should do it anyway.  that is the kind of love Jesus champions.
christian nonacceptence of atheistic positions is not persecution.  they cannot rightfully expect a non-aggression policy against their views to be observed.

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David Johnson,

Actually David, I did feel very welcome and not intimidated in the least for the most part.  Is it important to you that I somehow feel intimidated or uncomfortable and if so why?[/quote]
no, i never had the thought.  where did you come up with that?
you are a welcome participant, and i'm glad you visit here.
i meant only that exhibiting ideal christian behaviors toward him will not compel an atheist to feel welcome.  

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 06:11:18 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (David Mathews @ June 22 2002,8:55)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]If you mean "tolerate" like never, ever challenge their beliefs or disagree with them, never deal with a Christian-owned business over a humanist/atheist/whatever-owned business, never teach my children that God has a better way to live... well, I can't do it that way.  That's not what you meant, I'm sure.[/quote]
Hello Janine,

"Tolerance" does not demand never challenging the beliefs & teachings of atheists. Why should it mean that, anyway?  Christians disagree with fellow Christians all of the time, so Christians are allowed to disagree with atheists.

I do not support discriminating against humanist/atheist/whatever-owned business in favor of a Christian business.   Discrimination is a form of injustice when people attempt to penalize business owners for their religious viewpoint.  

I do support the teaching of religion to children.

Sincerely,

David Mathews[/quote]
I do not want my children being taught creationism and religious instruction in public schools.  What I mean by this is involuntary/mandatory creationism and religious instruction.

I do not care if you have voluntary prayer sessions before school or even Christian clubs for that matter that are even given a place in the yearbook.  And don't pass out with shock, but I don't even care if they talk Bible on their own "free time" between classes and at lunch.  However, if someone says "I am not interested" I expect them to respect that persons  desire to not be bothered.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 09:50:27 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (B. H. @ June 23 2002,00:50)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Would you say I was intolerant if I said I don't want my children (really grandchildren now - and the first is due around January-we think!) forced to listen to nothing but evolution and humanism (which is nothing more than another religion)?  Regardless of what many atheists and humanist thinkers want to believe, creation science is well on its way to being a valid scientific theory which should be taught with the opposing views of evolution.  Why not do the truely scholarly thing and teach both sides of the issue and let the hearer make up his/her mind since they are both "theories" and neither can be absolutely proved except through a "faith" basis.  That's what schools are really about--teaching kids to reason and think for themselves.  BTW, I am not advocating the teaching of any particular religion in the school setting.  Just the scientific side of the creationist view--which can and has been done in some schools already.   It has been my experience so far that the most intolerant and discriminatory people I have ever met have been humanists and atheists because they want it only their way with no opposing views to theirs (and I've known a few before you came along).[/quote]
Fair is fair, Wiley Clarkson.  Then let the Muslims present their "Creation Science", the Hindus too, and the Native Americans as well.[/quote]
Actually, there are schools (Waldorf Schools) which teach every creation story from every major religion along with evolution and evolution theory. It is a very fun, unstressful and sane approach. It is the model I have chosen for my son and we have been enriched by it. I was also interested to learn that our local Catholic school uses creation stories as a way to introduce children to world religions. They have a representative from each of the major world religions (except atheist) and prominent local cultures -- African, Samoan, American Indian, Laotian -- come to the eigth grade classes and tell their creation story. The public schools can't do this, unfortunately, since they can't teach religion at all.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 00:57:16 »
Hello Everyone,

I believe that Christians ought to tolerate atheists, that we should make them feel accepted and welcome among us, and that we should display love and mercy towards them.

I don't believe in attacking, defeating, insulting, condemning, or otherwise persecuting atheists.  I don't see any benefit to such behaviors.  I consider all such behavior contrary to Jesus' command to love.  

That's my policy in regard to atheists and atheism.  

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« Reply #5 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 01:46:02 »
david mathews:

the willingness to display agape-style behaviors toward atheists will not make them feel welcome, but we should do it anyway.  that is the kind of love Jesus champions.
christian nonacceptence of atheistic positions is not persecution.  they cannot rightfully expect a non-aggression policy against their views to be observed.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 07:46:25 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]david mathews:

the willingness to display agape-style behaviors toward atheists will not make them feel welcome, but we should do it anyway.  that is the kind of love Jesus champions.
christian nonacceptence of atheistic positions is not persecution.  they cannot rightfully expect a non-aggression policy against their views to be observed.

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David Johnson,

Actually David, I did feel very welcome and not intimidated in the least for the most part.  Is it important to you that I somehow feel intimidated or uncomfortable and if so why?

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« Reply #7 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 09:18:37 »
Is atheism the only correct view point regarding God's existence?

BH's answer:  God(s) do or do not exist.  He/they  cannot exist and not exist at the the same time.  Both I and David admit that God cannot be proven to exist or not exist 100% at this point in time.   Until that time comes, all we can do is hold to our OPINION on the matter.  But one of us is wrong regardless.  Until god(s) is proven to exist I see no reason I should believe/trust/love/have faith in  one (if even then) and therefore do not contradict my own definition of atheism..

Are you a dogmatic atheist?

BH:Please give me more information here please by what you mean by "dogmatic atheist".

Keep in mind you have conceded 6 of my 7 points and admit that the 7th one could possibly be valid as well.

Okay, I took your bait now lets see what happens.  You still were dishonest in saying I did not answer your questions.

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 15:30:09 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (B. H. @ June 22 2002,02:18)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--] Until god(s) is proven to exist I see no reason I should believe/trust/love/have faith in  one (if even then) and therefore do not contradict my own definition of atheism..[/quote]
Hello B.H.,

If you see no reason to believe in a God, don't.  That's your own choice to make.  

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 06:01:48 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (janine @ June 22 2002,4:13)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]If you mean "tolerate", like don't torture them or libel/slander them or teach my kids to spit on them, well of course, I must tolerate them.  More than that... I must love them.  They are souls on the broad road to hell just like anyone else without the Lord.  At times, loving them would be to feed & clothe them after a hurricane.  Sometimes, to love them would be to tell them of my honest heartfelt belief that they need to do something about their godlessness.  People need different things at different times.

If you mean "tolerate" like never, ever challenge their beliefs or disagree with them, never deal with a Christian-owned business over a humanist/atheist/whatever-owned business, never teach my children that God has a better way to live... well, I can't do it that way.  That's not what you meant, I'm sure.[/quote]
Thank you dearest Janine.  Of course that is not what I meant.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 07:50:48 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Would you say I was intolerant if I said I don't want my children (really grandchildren now - and the first is due around January-we think!) forced to listen to nothing but evolution and humanism (which is nothing more than another religion)?  Regardless of what many atheists and humanist thinkers want to believe, creation science is well on its way to being a valid scientific theory which should be taught with the opposing views of evolution.  Why not do the truely scholarly thing and teach both sides of the issue and let the hearer make up his/her mind since they are both "theories" and neither can be absolutely proved except through a "faith" basis.  That's what schools are really about--teaching kids to reason and think for themselves.  BTW, I am not advocating the teaching of any particular religion in the school setting.  Just the scientific side of the creationist view--which can and has been done in some schools already.   It has been my experience so far that the most intolerant and discriminatory people I have ever met have been humanists and atheists because they want it only their way with no opposing views to theirs (and I've known a few before you came along).[/quote]
Fair is fair, Wiley Clarkson.  Then let the Muslims present their "Creation Science", the Hindus too, and the Native Americans as well.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 13:41:58 »
In "science" classes during the times my kids have been in public schools, they've been taught "holey" evolutionary theory as if it were "holy" fact.  People who don't know any better regurgitate whatever is in the God-forsaken science books.

Also, in those years, there has been no shortage of "other" creation stories, religious ceremonies, religious dances, religious festivals/foods, and anything else you can think of short of human sacrifice, in my kids' public schools.  There's always some government grant or ethinic/religious community group providing these enriching experiences for my public-school offspring.

I've occasionally had success injecting our basic Christian viewpoint into things.  It's only fair, since everyone from witches to shamans (shamen?) to atheist storytellers can get in their digs.

Hey, Dave, if I find some product or service I need, available in two stores at similar quality and price, why is it discrimination to buy from my co-religionist?  (Or brother-in-law or "co-genderist" [I love to coin a word...] for that matter?)

I'm not talking about campaigning to ruin the other guy 'cause I don't like what he wears to his version of "church",  or where his grandpa came from, etc.  I'm just talking about doing good to everyone, especially those of the household of faith.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 23:13:54 »
If you mean "tolerate", like don't torture them or libel/slander them or teach my kids to spit on them, well of course, I must tolerate them.  More than that... I must love them.  They are souls on the broad road to hell just like anyone else without the Lord.  At times, loving them would be to feed & clothe them after a hurricane.  Sometimes, to love them would be to tell them of my honest heartfelt belief that they need to do something about their godlessness.  People need different things at different times.

If you mean "tolerate" like never, ever challenge their beliefs or disagree with them, never deal with a Christian-owned business over a humanist/atheist/whatever-owned business, never teach my children that God has a better way to live... well, I can't do it that way.  That's not what you meant, I'm sure.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 06:37:58 »
Tolerance? Give me an atheist, who has true concern for others, any day, over a judgmental religionist ready to condemn me for not following their particular brand of christianity. The atheist may not know of what he speaks, whereas the arrogant bible-thumper who SHOULD know and be showing mercy, has chosen not to. God looks for the heart and He can call and bring change, no matter how it may appear at the moment.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 01:29:15 »
Nothing personal, David, but I do not believe the GCM forum needs another thread on atheism. With that I am leaving this thread.
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« Reply #15 on: Sat Jun 22, 2002 - 07:49:35 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Emily @ June 21 2002,6:29)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Nothing personal, David, but I do not believe the GCM forum needs another thread on atheism. With that I am leaving this thread.
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Bye Emily.  You are one of the sweetest ones here.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 03:55:08 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (janine @ June 22 2002,4:13)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]If you mean "tolerate" like never, ever challenge their beliefs or disagree with them, never deal with a Christian-owned business over a humanist/atheist/whatever-owned business, never teach my children that God has a better way to live... well, I can't do it that way.  That's not what you meant, I'm sure.[/quote]
Hello Janine,

"Tolerance" does not demand never challenging the beliefs & teachings of atheists. Why should it mean that, anyway?  Christians disagree with fellow Christians all of the time, so Christians are allowed to disagree with atheists.

I do not support discriminating against humanist/atheist/whatever-owned business in favor of a Christian business.   Discrimination is a form of injustice when people attempt to penalize business owners for their religious viewpoint.  

I do support the teaching of religion to children.

Sincerely,

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« Reply #17 on: Sun Jun 23, 2002 - 07:46:10 »
B.H.

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I do not want my children being taught creationism and religious instruction in public schools.  What I mean by this is involuntary/mandatory creationism and religious instruction.[/quote]

Would you say I was intolerant if I said I don't want my children (really grandchildren now - and the first is due around January-we think!) forced to listen to nothing but evolution and humanism (which is nothing more than another religion)?  Regardless of what many atheists and humanist thinkers want to believe, creation science is well on its way to being a valid scientific theory which should be taught with the opposing views of evolution.  Why not do the truely scholarly thing and teach both sides of the issue and let the hearer make up his/her mind since they are both "theories" and neither can be absolutely proved except through a "faith" basis.  That's what schools are really about--teaching kids to reason and think for themselves.  BTW, I am not advocating the teaching of any particular religion in the school setting.  Just the scientific side of the creationist view--which can and has been done in some schools already.   It has been my experience so far that the most intolerant and discriminatory people I have ever met have been humanists and atheists because they want it only their way with no opposing views to theirs (and I've known a few before you came along).

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]However, if someone says "I am not interested" I expect them to respect that persons  desire to not be bothered.[/quote]

We agree here!  If some one was told this and just kept on pushing, that would be just plain rude--on either side of the fence.

Hope this is food for thought.  Have enjoyed your participation on the forum.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Jun 24, 2002 - 22:47:58 »
It's becoming increasingly clear to myself, at any rate, that we need to be careful about how we as people who profess faith talk of and to each other; I mean, something beyond "toleration" of atheists, or anybody for that matter, when we have a duty, as Christians, to live out our faith before the full glare of the world.  

If anything, I know that we are all of us trying to be Christ-like, and I would hope and pray, that e-seekers who just happen to "land" here and "check it out", might like what they see.

My illustration from things-in-Discipleland:  

This past weekend, at two (2) DoC discussion rooms on the web, things got a little lively.  And vindictive.  

It's a usual fact-pattern: Somebody swings in, usually not even a DoC, posts and hounds somebody who might have said that he or she is gay or lesbian, or a Democrat, and a Christian–which then brings the predictable onslaught of hate-words.  

Having gotten the validation that the rest of us are apostate, that poster swings right out of there, and is never heard from again.  

Same thing, again, this weekend.  

An anonymous poster finally hit the right note s/he had been seeking: Announcing in fairly firey (and I gotta admit, kinda "fun"–at least that person has an [occasional] panache for pronouncing the wrath of God on the rest of us) way that the entire DoC denomination was the great 'whore of Babylon' and that all of us were going to hell, because none of us read the Bible correctly.  

There was, of course, the usual backlash of words.  

The poster also gave away where s/he goes to church, which was shown to the rest of us by a website: "No," the poster finally admitted, "I'm not in a DoC church.  I just have a prophet's heart and wanted to let the rest of you in the DoC church know that you are all liberal, have departed the scriptures, and are going to hell."

What burdened my heart was NOT the self-righteousness and anger of the poster (who will more than likely be dearly-departed from our website soon–having given us the message from the Master re: our fates) was this: Some of the posters who responded were just as angry, and self-righteous, in their "defense".

Friends, brothers and sisters, we need to give great consideration and caution about we talk to and of others.  

Atheists, agnostics, and–perhaps most scandalously seriously–residents of Cleveland all merit charity, respect and consideration.

What's becoming evident, my kindred, is this: If an internet seeker just happened upon our little "spat" on the Disciple-side-of-the-web this weekend, what would s/he have thought about us?  

Maybe, "People of faith are just as intolerant, and self-righteous, and angry sometimes, as any other"?   Perhaps.

As far as I can tell, this gc.net website has the far-reaching potential of uniting Stone-Campbell people in a place and a way that can make us better if we are charitable about how we talk to each other–and yes, to atheists.  

Atheists deserve more than respect and tolerance; they merit Christian love from us–as does the entire world, for that matter.  

I'm not picking at the author of this post.

If anything, I'm disturbed at the intolerance and anger, sometimes, I see sitting ugly and squarely in the privacy of my most secret room, when I see an intolerant poster attack my particular faith community.  

If gc.net can bring members of the Christian churches/churches of Christ, the occasional fruit-loop-like DoC (i.e. me), and the churches of Christ together, as might be happening–with Barry's presence here, other DoC's, and others, then we might have the opportunity to present something like "Restoration spirituality" or "RM faith" that speaks to seekers–Which is what a lot of lurkers, I'm sure, are asking of themselves about us: Wondering and testing us to "live our faith" and "live our love."

What's the qualitative difference, say, between us Disciples, and say, others?

I would hope that it would be something like what Tertullian told the Emperor distinguished the North African Christian communities, "See how the Christians love another."  In truth, I see that we have a long, long way to go.  

As to atheists, I find that they bring issues to their particular "stance" a lot of times just as much as many of us (including me).  

I've had people join some of the congregations I have served because they thought that the "field was ripe unto the harvest" for Amway prospects, or the dog-shampooing business.  

I've known people fleeing fundamentalist hurt and hatred, but still trapped into a rigid-religion that found expression in telling me "Preacher, you MUST preach more on sin!"  They usually leave the congregation, disappointed and angry at me.  

Our movement has produced some people marvelously adept at dissection and debate.  

I wonder, how will people take apart these slender central, Christian confessions: "God is love."  "Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father"?  

I wonder, might we attract now, in the 21st century attract lurkers and seekers to Christ by continuing and deepening the regard we have and share for each other–and atheists?  Not to convert–only God births faith (we just carry the message)–just to invite.  

I've known atheists and agnostics who are terribly hurt.  I've also known some who act out more compassion for the poor and defenceless than most Christians I've met.  It just depends.

Whether one believes in God, or Yah, or the (literal) "Father and Son–plus Mother-God and the Spirit personage" of the Mormons, or Vishnu, or Bob the bilingual, talking albino squirrel–or none at all–I could care less.  

That is, if one's belief, or professed non-belief, fails to lead to love-in-action, and we Christians believe that the Son of God is Love incarnate and revealed, then the shouting will never end.  And the love-in-action will, more than likely, never take over.  

I hope and pray for the day when our love as Stone-Campbell people attract seekers and the passionately engaged for humanity.   This website, and the way we talk to each other, is a place to plant that seed.

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« Reply #19 on: Tue Jun 25, 2002 - 07:18:25 »
Thanks Kebecer for reminding us that all creation bears the image of the creator. Identifying the Christ in every individual we encounter should be the goal of every Christian. When we do so, how can we withhold our love?

 

     
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