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Re: Trinity deniers . What did Jesus mean and why? part 2 ~ conundrum~
« Reply #70 on: Thu Sep 02, 2021 - 05:24:46 »
I haven't read that book yet.
From your post i thought you had. 

At any rate, you SHOULD read it.  It is short and not too difficult for a 7th grader to understand. And since it was written over a century ago, it is not expensive.

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Re: Trinity deniers . What did Jesus mean and why? part 2 ~ conundrum~
« Reply #71 on: Thu Sep 02, 2021 - 06:23:07 »
I DID have a physics professor explain dimensionality in those terms. Maybe HE saw the movie.

I remember him saying that if beings on a 2 dimensional world had a 3 dimensional sphere come down and touch their world, the beings on theb2 dimensional world would only see a dot because a sphere touching a 2 dimensional plane would only show up to the 2 dimensional beings as a singular dot since only a single soeck of a sohere would actually touch the 2 dimensional plane. That helped me see how God, who is outside of time would perceive us INSIDE  time. The actions within thebmovie of time are visible to him from beginning to end. And we as three dimensional beings can only attempt to explain him.
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« Reply #72 on: Thu Sep 02, 2021 - 07:51:49 »
I DID have a physics professor explain dimensionality in those terms. Maybe HE saw the movie.

I remember him saying that if beings on a 2 dimensional world had a 3 dimensional sphere come down and touch their world, the beings on theb2 dimensional world would only see a dot because a sphere touching a 2 dimensional plane would only show up to the 2 dimensional beings as a singular dot since only a single speck of a sphere would actually touch the 2 dimensional plane. That helped me see how God, who is outside of time would perceive us INSIDE  time. The actions within the movie of time are visible to him from beginning to end. And we as three dimensional beings can only attempt to explain him.
Not a movie - a book written by a pastor back in the late 1800s. 

I am sure your physics prof was taking the images from that book.

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Re: Trinity deniers . What did Jesus mean and why? part 2 ~ conundrum~
« Reply #73 on: Thu Sep 02, 2021 - 13:12:18 »
Jarrod, what generation occurred at creation?
The Word was spoken.  That is the means by which the creation occurred.  Observe:

And God said, "Let there be..."

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  The same was in the beginning with God.  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Before this world was created, or as far as any creation took place, God dwelled in eternity~Jesus Christ in his DIVINE nature was I AM THAT I AM....PERIOD!~Exodus 3:14 he was BEFORE all creation!
I think I agree, but "Jesus in His DIVINE nature" is a confusing phrase.  Jesus is the Word-made-flesh.  Prior to the incarnation, I would name Him as "the Word" rather than "Jesus" (His "new name" which is given later).

You seem to have equated "being spoken" as His origin.  This logic is wrong, and not intended on my part.  The Word exists from eternity-past.  Being spoken is NOT His beginning, though it IS a change.

Jarrod, you are confused and confusing others in the process.
I am not confused.  Not even a little.  I know - exactly - what I believe in this regard.

Confusing others?  Probably.  But then, they are already confused, and they probably need to get more confused before they can get less confused.

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Re: Trinity deniers . What did Jesus mean and why? part 2 ~ conundrum~
« Reply #74 on: Thu Sep 02, 2021 - 20:07:24 »


 But then, they are already confused, and they probably need to get more confused before they can get less confused.

Jarrod

 rofl rofl rofl That makes perfect sense to me.

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Re: Trinity deniers . What did Jesus mean and why? part 2 ~ conundrum~
« Reply #75 on: Mon Sep 06, 2021 - 23:18:34 »
Mark, you are busy this morning I see.  ::smile::  One small point to make. Actually when we SEE JESUS, then we have seen GOD/Father.Nothing major.............for NO MAN can see the Father, only he who is in the bosom of the Father he hath declared Him to us.
lol. Yes RB busy sometimes then quiet as work commitments have stepped up with people leaving . Filling in with a few extra shifts.

The ageing population has exposed a few holes in the workforce . Lots of holes with not so many experienced people to fill them. Make hay while the sun shines. :)


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