Bringing GB's post here to try whose spirit is of God, and who are false prophets per the word of God.
Let's start out by not omitting parts of my reply regarding Deception. It's an old tactic, but is very effective in creating or controlling the Narrative.
Deception; NOUN, "the action of deceiving someone"
Deceive; Greek "Planao" (To cause to) roam (from safely, truth or virtue) :- Go astray, deceive, Err, Seduce, wander, be out of the way.
The first Biblical Example of deceiving someone was the serpent who used some of God's Word to set Eve at ease, then caused her to roam from safety and go astray by listening and "Doing" what it instructed and rejecting what God instructed. To do this, the serpent used some of God's Word to convince Eve that "God knows" that HIS Commandment made Eve Blind. And only by rejecting the Commandment of God will she be able to truly see. This was, of course, a lie.
The examples of deception that are promoted by other religious voices, who also use parts of God's Word, are countless.
I will list just a few so as not to let you highjack the thread by making your statements and asking the question you asked.
The Christ says.
Duet. 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 "That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days:"
But "many religious voices" engage in the action of convincing others that this is not true, by using a few of God's Words. That man has no choice, that this Same Christ placed the burdens of HIS Voice on men knowing full well they were not born with the God given ability to comply. Then killed them when they didn't comply. Basically working to convince others that this Christ is a liar.
The Christ says.
Matt. 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
But "many religious voices" engage in the action of convincing people, using some of God's Word, that Children are born evil, and do not have the capacity to "Humble Themselves". That it is a deception for Jesus to even say "Humble themselves", because a child is not born with the God given capacity to choose to humble themselves or to choose Good. That God must first "choose" this child, based on nothing the child does, and give it the capacity to humble themselves. Thus again, implying that this Christ is lying to us.
The Christ says.
Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
But "many religious voices" engage in the action of convincing people that this can not be true by twisting a few of God's Words. That man does not have the God given capacity to even come after the Christ, unless God first creates in this man the capacity. And that man can not "Choose" Jesus over the other religious voices out there, not to mention to deny themselves, because the Christ Commanded that we "Seek ye first the Kingdom of heaven" but did not place the capacity to do so in men. Implying once again, that Jesus is the deceiver, just as the serpent convinced Eve.
There are countless more examples from "many religious voices", but this is enough to discern your preaching.
The topic is "forgive to be forgiven". Why does God need to forgive men for sin, that you preach HE didn't give them the capacity or tools to resist? And am I to use your preaching as a guide to whom I will forgive and who I will not, based on nothing the offender does, rather, by some invisible lottery I created?
It is written;
IS. 46:8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning
, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
God knows the End from the Beginning. He created time itself. He holds time in His hand like a snow globe. Everything every man has ever done in his life, HE has already seen. Every Choice, Every move. Everything!!!!
Matt. 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
This is my belief, based on the writings of the Law and Prophets, and of the Lord's Christ.
So when this same God tells me "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live". I believe Him.
He has already given man this choice, every man that has ever lived has already been given this "Choice" in God's Realm. We don't know, that is why He gives us all the same instruction. "today if you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts".
And this same God chose "preaching" as the medium for distributing this choice. And had a Book written to define the choice and give us insight into the consequences of either choice. As Paul teaches.
1 Cor. 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased
: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things
, (chose Death) as they also lusted.
11 Now all these things happened unto them
: and they are written for our admonition
, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Those who chose life, God chose to save, write their names in the Book of Life, and joined with them Spiritually to preserve them.
John 14:15 If
ye love me, keep my commandments. (Choose Life) 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If
a man love me, he will keep my words: (Choose Life) and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him
, and make our abode with him
God already knows who will receive HIS Words, and "DO" them, from the moment He created time because HE sees the End from the Beginning. He has already given men the choice HE promised, and they have already made the choice in HIS Realm. We could no longer stop who HE has chosen to save, than we could stop the future which HE has already seen.
But many religious voices don't believe God when HE tells men He lays before them life and death. They preach that God Chooses men based on no choice that they made? That any reference to "choosing" is not choosing at all, but election based on some invisible, unknown, selection process. And of course, each one of these religious men who promote this religion, was selected. While those who disagree with their religion, and test the spirits as instructed, are heretics and liars.
This is my understanding, and the reason why I "take heed" of "many" religious men, who come in Christ's Name, including you, that promote the "no choice" religion.
There is a truth Red. Either God is true, and ALL HIS Words are to be trusted, or the serpent is true, and some of God's Words are beggarly elements that makes one Blind.