author=RB link=topic=105627.msg1055159696#msg1055159696 date=1585558501]
What must a man do in order to be born again?
Believe in the Word of God which became Flesh.
What part of man is it that does what a man must do in order to be born again?
If a man must believe to be born again, is it his flesh or his spirit that must believe (John 3:6)?
Man is not spirit, but flesh. Man's mind directs his body. A man believes with his mind, which brings about a change in his actions. Jesus said ANY man who comes to Him must deny himself. Not his body, but his mind. It is from within the mind, that defilement of men comes from. It is with the mind that a man either believes or doesn't believe. It is in the mind where the spirit of this world, or the Spirit of the Christ exists. Jesus said HIS WORDS are His Spirit. If I then reject all the other religious voices out there, and place my trust in the Word's of the Christ, "Every Word", that is what it means to be "born again" of the Spirit.
If his flesh must believe, how many will be born again (John 1:13; 5:40; Romans 8:7-9; 7:5; 9:16)?
This question is stupid. The flesh can do nothing without the mind.
John. 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing
: the words that I speak unto you
, they are spirit
, and they are life.
Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God
; but with the flesh the law of sin
. (Law of sin = death)
If his spirit believes, is he not already born again and led by the Spirit (Romans 8:14-16; Galatians 4:6)?
Man is not spirit. He is flesh and blood. The question is again, stupid. If a man believes in his mind, Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God, and "lives by them" this man is truly born again. He was a "Child of Disobedience", but now he "obeys from the mind the Word's of the Christ given to them".
Eph. 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world
, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh
in the (Minds of the) children of disobedience:
Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness
17 But God be thanked, that ye were
the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart (mind) that form of doctrine which was delivered you
Can you describe with scriptural proof God’s work before regeneration to get man’s flesh to believe?
The Flesh can do nothing without the mind. Can a brain dead person, who is still breathing, or even a sleeping person sin? Or obey?
Jesus said we know if a man is His or not by their fruits, not their words. If they say they believe, but are not a "Doer" of His Word's, then that man is a liar. At least according to Scriptures.
There is much disagreement as to whether God "makes" a man turn to HIM in obedience, or if God places before the man a choice, His Words, VS. the words of other religious voices, and allows men to make the choice. But either way, the "regenerate mind" Loves God and strives against sin by Keeping His Commandments.
If a man must believe to be born again, as one requirement, is it his natural or spiritual man with faith (Ist Corinthians 15:45-49)?
Well there is no "IF" in the requirement to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. We must deny ourselves. The question becomes, what spirit do we follow? The spirit of the world which can not accept the truth of God, or the Word of the Christ that HE says are Spirit?
If his natural man must believe, how many will be born again (Ist Corinthians 2:14-15; Ephesians 2:3)?
If his spiritual man believes, is he not already born again with a new nature (Ist Corinthians 2:16; Titus 3:3-5)?
Again, man is not spiritual, he is flesh and blood. He either walks in, or as Jesus said "Lives by" the Word of God, or he walks in, or lives by, the religious doctrines and traditions of men. The first is walking in the Spirit, the latter is walking in the flesh.
If a man must believe to be born again as one condition, is it his old or new man with faith (Colossians 3:9-11; Ephesians 4:17-24)?
Faith is simply belief. Works follow. If I say I believe copperheads can kill me, but I play with them, or let my kids play with them, them by my "works" I show that I don't really believe what I say. If I say I believe copperheads can kill me, and you see me running away from one screaming like a girl, then by my "works" there is no doubt I really believe what I say.
It is the same with religious men. If they say they are a "new man", no longer a "Child of disobedience", but renewed in the spirit of their mind, "born again" but they continue to live in iniquity, or disobedience to God, then by their "works" we know that they really don't believe what they are saying. As it is written.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him
, if we keep his commandments
. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments
, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word
, in him verily is the love of God perfected:
hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked
Old man = Child of disobedience. New man = Child of obedience.
If his old man must believe, how many will be born again by will and works of the old man?
Before the "old man" can believe, he must first be shown something to believe, in the Scriptures case, this would be the Word of God. And who is it that created this "Word"? Not the old man, he had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the Word of God. The God of the Bible made the Word, and gives it to man. It is in every motel, every store, on the internet. There is not a man alive today who doesn't have access to the Word of God.
Your question is stupid again. "how many will be born again by will and works of the old man". The answer is no one.
If his new man believes, is he not already a new creation in Christ Jesus to have this man?
Well, the demons also "believe" and they are not a "new creation" in Christ Jesus. I think for the "new man" to be a "new creation" in Christ Jesus, he must be a "doer" of the Christ's instruction in Righteousness. AS Paul said;
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves
servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin
(disobedience) unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness
7 Little children, let no man deceive you
: he that doeth righteousness is righteous
, even as he is righteous.
In order to be born again, must a man exercise his will as part of believing unto faith (Revelation 22:17)?
"Today, if you hear HIS Voice, Harden not your hearts".
Many deceivers in this world preach that God makes a person either harden, or not harden their hearts, when they hear His voice, based on nothing the man does.. Then for those who He withholds the power
to humble themselves, HE tortures them for eternity, while those HE makes humble themselves, He gives them life for ever in paradise.
This is another god they worship, not the God of the Bible.
If a man must exercise his will to believe, as you say, why did Paul preclude man’s will (Romans 9:16)? Do you know something that Paul missed?
No, Paul believed everything The Word of God which became flesh says. You are twisting this verse to destroy the foundation God had already laid, and Paul furthered.
Rom. 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God
? God forbid
. (that means no Red)
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy
, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
It's not my program Red, not my Mercy. God will have Mercy on who HE will have Mercy. And where shall I go to find out who HE will have Mercy on? You, Jimmy Swaggart? Benny Hinn? Calvin?
Or should I hear and believe what the Word of God says?
Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Duet. 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God
, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. 11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Ps. 13:5 But I have trusted in thy mercy
; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.
Ps. 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God. 12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.
Shall I not trust Him when HE tells me who HE will show Mercy and who HE will not?
If a man must exercise his will, his free will in your thinking, is it the will of the flesh or of man?
Man is flesh. Stupid question. It should be, "is it within the power of men to "yield himself to God", or are we robots who God toys with by giving us instructions that we are not capable of following, then dropping us in a Lake of Fire when we don't follow them.
If it is the will of the flesh, how many will be born again, since John condemned it (John 1:13)? Do you have insight that John did not have?
Your evil representation of John doesn't destroy the rest of the Bible Red. As even a child can see when he reads the verse you referenced.
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not
Your preaching that God withheld them from receiving the Word of God based on nothing they did is an insidious deception. Have you no shame?
12 But as many as received him
, to them gave he power to become the sons of God
, even to them that believe on his name
The receiving/believing came first. Your religion which preaches that men have no choice in believing or not believing, is a popular teaching among the White Washed Walls of our time, but is a deception just the same.
I'll finish in another post.