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Unanswered prayers......
« on: Mon Jan 29, 2018 - 13:28:40 »
Why are our prayers hindered? Where is the conflict?

I believe in prayer! I have also been frustrated in trying to figure out how come prayers seem to go unanswered.  I  was taught that that God always answers prayers...YES, NO and MAYBE.  Why does it seem that Heaven is silent when we pray from an earnest heart?

I know when we pray that it also engages demons ( Daniel10).  So there is conflict present when we pray. This is when many get frustrated and give up...

I am in a class about prayer and how to enter in to Heaven and operate there to get answers released. 

So I would like to discuss this and see if anyone has any input to the conflict of prayer.

Do you believe that our prayers are weighed in heaven? There is a certain way to approach Heaven?



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« Reply #1 on: Mon Jan 29, 2018 - 13:39:33 »
Why are our prayers hindered? Where is the conflict?

I believe in prayer! I have also been frustrated in trying to figure out how come prayers seem to go unanswered.  I  was taught that that God always answers prayers...YES, NO and MAYBE.  Why does it seem that Heaven is silent when we pray from an earnest heart?

I know when we pray that it also engages demons ( Daniel10).  So there is conflict present when we pray. This is when many get frustrated and give up...

I am in a class about prayer and how to enter in to Heaven and operate there to get answers released. 

So I would like to discuss this and see if anyone has any input to the conflict of prayer.

Do you believe that our prayers are weighed in heaven? There is a certain way to approach Heaven?

Sure. The way Jesus instructed us to pray is the best way.  Asking for God's will to be done.

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Jan 30, 2018 - 12:06:37 »
Sure. The way Jesus instructed us to pray is the best way.  Asking for God's will to be done.
I have seen people pray prays that I knew were Gid's will....but the answer did not come????.  I believe we miss what is going on in heaven when this happens...

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Jan 30, 2018 - 12:20:36 »
It could be that we pray before we hear from the Holy Spirit?!? I believe things get worse before it gets better sometimes... because of this kind of prayer.  We just stir up demons instead of defeating them with prayer.

I believe God will open up the heavenly realm and let us see if we are patient.  We can learn to pray accurately then.

1 John 5:14-15 says if we ask according to His will...
So praying in agreement with the will of God is crucial.

Jesus is faithful and true and He judges in righteousness and makes war according to Rev19.  It says He judges THEN makes war!
So first there is a decision concerning a prayer THEN war.

So we must first hear from heaven before we go to war in prayer.  Our mistake comes when we pray without knowing His will!?!!?

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Jan 30, 2018 - 13:39:03 »
I have seen people pray prays that I knew were Gid's will....but the answer did not come????.  I believe we miss what is going on in heaven when this happens...

I absolutely believe we miss what's going on when it seems like we are praying specifically for something, knowing with all of our hearts it is what God's wills, and yet, He sees fit to answer differently than we are praying.

To authentically pray God's will means, IMO, that we will be submitted to whatever comes, because we know that whatever comes is His will for us to walk through.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Jan 30, 2018 - 14:14:58 »
Our mistake comes when we pray without knowing His will!?!!?

I think perhaps, that the mistake is in thinking that if we just did it *right*, God would give us everything our hearts desire while on this earth.

I KNOW that in this time of hearing Him say "wait", I am learning and growing and being humbled.  My heart is softer now than it was before my praying for something achingly specific.  I am changed. I am deeper. I am weary, but unshaken in my faith...and at the beginning, I was terribly shaken.  I *wish* God had said yes right away and I *wish* He would tell me yes, right this second today, but I am also thankful that as of yet, He has said no, because the beauty He is making of my ashes wows me, comforts me and lifts me up over and over again. I wouldn't be who I am today, had He granted my request yesterday. 

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Jan 31, 2018 - 09:58:10 »
I think perhaps, that the mistake is in thinking that if we just did it *right*, God would give us everything our hearts desire while on this earth.

I KNOW that in this time of hearing Him say "wait", I am learning and growing and being humbled.  My heart is softer now than it was before my praying for something achingly specific.  I am changed. I am deeper. I am weary, but unshaken in my faith...and at the beginning, I was terribly shaken.  I *wish* God had said yes right away and I *wish* He would tell me yes, right this second today, but I am also thankful that as of yet, He has said no, because the beauty He is making of my ashes wows me, comforts me and lifts me up over and over again. I wouldn't be who I am today, had He granted my request yesterday.
Doing it right is knowing God's will and praying accordingly.  If God does not show us in scriptures or other ways His will.. then we are not praying right...right?!?!

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Jan 31, 2018 - 10:08:13 »
There first has to be a verdict before judgment carried out in court. Same way in our prayer life...we have to know the what His will is before we pray it out. If not, couldn't we be praying against him?

When Jesus taught on prayer in Matthew 6 and Luke 11...
He describes a court scene.  If the widow could get an answer from an unjust judge...how much more should we get answers from heaven.
 I believe we need to learn how to pray(secrets) more than persistence.  Long, loud or hard prayers do not magically produce something to happen, will they?

Prayer should flow from a relationship with Him... just like it did from Jesus with the Heavenly Father.
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« Reply #8 on: Wed Jan 31, 2018 - 10:18:11 »
Doing it right is knowing God's will and praying accordingly.  If God does not show us in scriptures or other ways His will.. then we are not praying right...right?!?!

Knowing God's will.

I think we are talking past one another.  I don't have to KNOW exactly what His will is to pray for His will to be done.

We pray correctly when we follow the fairly simple example of Christ in the Lord's prayer.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed Jan 31, 2018 - 15:44:20 »
Knowing God's will.

I think we are talking past one another.  I don't have to KNOW exactly what His will is to pray for His will to be done.

We pray correctly when we follow the fairly simple example of Christ in the Lord's prayer.
So you are saying to pray generally and not specifically God's will?

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Feb 01, 2018 - 08:41:24 »
So you are saying to pray generally and not specifically God's will?

Isn't that what Christ showed us to do?

"Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"

Isaiah 55 does a pretty good job of telling us that God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. 

We can, even should, pour our hearts out to God, asking Him for specific requests, but then also realize that because His ways are higher than ours, His will might be going another direction than our prayers right now, or He may want to grant it, but not in our timing or...there are a thousand different reasons we can't seem to get Him to jump through our hoops, and give us everything we request; even *if* we are sure its within His general will for it to be so; so we then, after pouring our hurts, desires, requests out to Him, say like Christ did in the garden, "yet, not my will, but Yours be done." 

If we are submitted to God, believing His plans for us are best, we can pray that way (His will be done)...its hard, it hurts, its confusing when He doesn't see fit to give us our good, reasonable, even righteous requests; but that's when our faith kicks in and we say "I trust You in this, come what may, Your will be done".

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Feb 01, 2018 - 10:19:09 »
Isn't that what Christ showed us to do?

"Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"

Isaiah 55 does a pretty good job of telling us that God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. 

We can, even should, pour our hearts out to God, asking Him for specific requests, but then also realize that because His ways are higher than ours, His will might be going another direction than our prayers right now, or He may want to grant it, but not in our timing or...there are a thousand different reasons we can't seem to get Him to jump through our hoops, and give us everything we request; even *if* we are sure its within His general will for it to be so; so we then, after pouring our hurts, desires, requests out to Him, say like Christ did in the garden, "yet, not my will, but Yours be done." 

If we are submitted to God, believing His plans for us are best, we can pray that way (His will be done)...its hard, it hurts, its confusing when He doesn't see fit to give us our good, reasonable, even righteous requests; but that's when our faith kicks in and we say "I trust You in this, come what may, Your will be done".
I agree with everything you posted.  I have lived this! I did not understand why my prayers were not answered as expected...but I trusted the ONE IN CONTROL.

But Jesus prayed precise prayers.  He saw what the Father wanted and He prayed and lived out HIS WILL.

Is it possible to hear from God His precise will for our lives?

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Feb 01, 2018 - 10:29:19 »
I agree with everything you posted.  I have lived this! I did not understand why my prayers were not answered as expected...but I trusted the ONE IN CONTROL.

But Jesus prayed precise prayers.  He saw what the Father wanted and He prayed and lived out HIS WILL.

Is it possible to hear from God His precise will for our lives?

Sometimes, yes and then again, sometimes no. I knew from the time I was a child, what His calling on my life was.  And, now, that season is coming to an end...and though I ask Him what His next assignment might be, He's chosen not to answer me yet.

You hear all the time people saying, "I thought this was what God wanted for me...I'm so confused."

So they soldier on, praying as they go and surrendering to His will even when its hard and hurts and is confusing.



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« Reply #13 on: Sat Feb 03, 2018 - 21:57:08 »
Our prayers are always answered, but sometime the answer is no.  Other times the answer is, Okay but I'm going to do it this other way.  Yet other times the answer is Wait.


We are supposed to be praying within the will of God as Christ did: "Nevertheless, not my will but thine be done."


"Lord, please find me a good husband.  Nevertheless, if it is your plan that I remain single, thy will be done."


"Lord, help me find work.  Nevertheless, if it is your plan that I remain unemployed for a while, thy will be done.  Give me the grace to make it through."

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Feb 04, 2018 - 09:18:44 »
Our prayers are always answered, but sometime the answer is no.  Other times the answer is, Okay but I'm going to do it this other way.  Yet other times the answer is Wait.


We are supposed to be praying within the will of God as Christ did: "Nevertheless, not my will but thine be done."


"Lord, please find me a good husband.  Nevertheless, if it is your plan that I remain single, thy will be done."


"Lord, help me find work.  Nevertheless, if it is your plan that I remain unemployed for a while, thy will be done.  Give me the grace to make it through."
But is there a way...can we know God's will ahead of time and pray specifically His will?

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« Reply #15 on: Sun Feb 04, 2018 - 10:49:55 »
Our prayers are always answered, but sometime the answer is no.  Other times the answer is, Okay but I'm going to do it this other way.  Yet other times the answer is Wait.


We are supposed to be praying within the will of God as Christ did: "Nevertheless, not my will but thine be done."


"Lord, please find me a good husband.  Nevertheless, if it is your plan that I remain single, thy will be done."


"Lord, help me find work.  Nevertheless, if it is your plan that I remain unemployed for a while, thy will be done.  Give me the grace to make it through."

I agree, Open Heart. ::smile::

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« Reply #16 on: Mon Feb 05, 2018 - 11:07:19 »
There have been several times in my life when I have realized that a prayer WAS answered and I hadn't noticed it. The reason being the TIMING of the response.  We are always
so impatient----we have our own time-frame for when a prayer should be answered. Sometimes we give up and feel that God has not heard us.  Then a year or two pass, God answers the
prayer, and we slowly realize he has done so.  I remember once when I was very alone (I had moved to another town and didn't know anyone).

I began to pray for a Christian friend, I did this nightly. I, however, made no real attempt to make any new friends. I almost expected a new Christian friend to just drop out of the Heavens
or something. lol.   I remember complaining to God that he wasn't hearing my prayers and didn't really care about me.  I was basically a "whining child". I stopped praying for this friend--at
least I didn't pray as urgently any more.

About a year later, after having a great time with my Christian friend Don and his wife (they often invited me over for dinner and were there for me through a very rough time in my life)
I realized that God had INDEED answered my prayer despite myself.  This Christian friend had literally come to me though odd circumstances and had become a very dear and close friend
of mine. God had answered my prayer in HIS timing and will. He had not forgotten me, nor had he failed to hear my prayers.

I have had this happen a couple of other times in my life------realizing my prayers HAD been answered, just not in the time-frame or way I expected. God is indeed very faithful.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Feb 05, 2018 - 13:29:48 »
There have been several times in my life when I have realized that a prayer WAS answered and I hadn't noticed it. The reason being the TIMING of the response.  We are always
so impatient----we have our own time-frame for when a prayer should be answered. Sometimes we give up and feel that God has not heard us.  Then a year or two pass, God answers the
prayer, and we slowly realize he has done so.  I remember once when I was very alone (I had moved to another town and didn't know anyone).

I began to pray for a Christian friend, I did this nightly. I, however, made no real attempt to make any new friends. I almost expected a new Christian friend to just drop out of the Heavens
or something. lol.   I remember complaining to God that he wasn't hearing my prayers and didn't really care about me.  I was basically a "whining child". I stopped praying for this friend--at
least I didn't pray as urgently any more.

About a year later, after having a great time with my Christian friend Don and his wife (they often invited me over for dinner and were there for me through a very rough time in my life)
I realized that God had INDEED answered my prayer despite myself.  This Christian friend had literally come to me though odd circumstances and had become a very dear and close friend
of mine. God had answered my prayer in HIS timing and will. He had not forgotten me, nor had he failed to hear my prayers.

I have had this happen a couple of other times in my life------realizing my prayers HAD been answered, just not in the time-frame or way I expected. God is indeed very faithful.

 ::smile::

This happened with me too. I was praying that God bring to me those that feel on the outside looking in, those that feel unloved and unseen, abused even.  And a few days went by, life got busy and I forgot, as much as that embarrasses me...suddenly, a name came to my mind with a crushing urge to reach out.  I said to myself, "Oh, yeah. I wonder how she is doing? I'll just clean the toilet, run a load of laundry and (list of chores), then reach out." I am not kidding you, my own prayer rang in my head like it was God saying, "Uh...you *prayed* for an opportunity to love on My lost and you're going to clean the *toilet* first?! I'm *trying* to answer your prayer here!"

Haha!  I jumped right up and reached out.  As it turns out, the lady was in desperate need she said to hear exactly what the Lord laid on my heart to tell her; which was basically, "Im thinking of you. You aren't alone and God loves you SO much."


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« Reply #18 on: Thu Feb 08, 2018 - 12:37:28 »
I love 1 Timothy 2:5 where it tells us that the Man Christ Jesus is our Mediator between God and men.

A Mediator is the one that is fair with both parties. As God, Jesus understands...holiness, purity and righteousness.  Non-negotiable standards. He will never allow His righteousness compromised.  He is our Advocate with the Father. 
Jesus as a man can also understands our frailty.  He sympathizes with our weaknesses. 

The New Covenant is what He mediates over.  There are so many promises in the New Covenant...better promises. So he is our mediator in getting what the covenant promises.  So what is hindering us from receiving these promises...is it our prayer?

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Feb 08, 2018 - 12:50:01 »
I love 1 Timothy 2:5 where it tells us that the Man Christ Jesus is our Mediator between God and men.

A Mediator is the one that is fair with both parties. As God, Jesus understands...holiness, purity and righteousness.  Non-negotiable standards. He will never allow His righteousness compromised.  He is our Advocate with the Father. 
Jesus as a man can also understands our frailty.  He sympathizes with our weaknesses. 

The New Covenant is what He mediates over.  There are so many promises in the New Covenant...better promises. So he is our mediator in getting what the covenant promises.  So what is hindering us from receiving these promises...is it our prayer?

What promises are being hindered, specifically?

I love and adore that Jesus is our mediator with God, especially when the accuser tries to condemn us!  My very most favorite and treasured promise of His!

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Feb 08, 2018 - 13:40:44 »
What promises are being hindered, specifically?

I love and adore that Jesus is our mediator with God, especially when the accuser tries to condemn us!  My very most favorite and treasured promise of His!
Do you believe every Christian is receiving every promise that is available through the blood of Jesus?

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Feb 08, 2018 - 14:13:14 »
Do you believe every Christian is receiving every promise that is available through the blood of Jesus?

I can't answer this until I'm sure what promises you might be speaking of.

I do believe that God will keep every single one of His promises to us, in His timing of them.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Feb 10, 2018 - 20:57:23 »
I can't answer this until I'm sure what promises you might be speaking of.

I do believe that God will keep every single one of His promises to us, in His timing of them.
So if all of His promises will be kept... what prevents us from receiving them? I am not speaking specific...ANY of them?!?!

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« Reply #23 on: Sun Feb 11, 2018 - 09:04:04 »
So if all of His promises will be kept... what prevents us from receiving them? I am not speaking specific...ANY of them?!?!

Is there one you feel He is keeping from you, Grace?

I am being asked to wait over something and it is *hard*, *but* I know that there is godly good in my wait. I know that He is using it to refine and challenge me to bend more and more to His sovereignty.  I believe that every promise He made to His children, will be given to us and that not one will be unfulfilled...it may be in Heaven when we receive them, but they will not be denied or else God is a liar.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu Feb 15, 2018 - 08:22:40 »
Is there one you feel He is keeping from you, Grace?

I am being asked to wait over something and it is *hard*, *but* I know that there is godly good in my wait. I know that He is using it to refine and challenge me to bend more and more to His sovereignty.  I believe that every promise He made to His children, will be given to us and that not one will be unfulfilled...it may be in Heaven when we receive them, but they will not be denied or else God is a liar.
I agree! I was denied answers that I wanted....later to find out it was for the best.
My main reason for starting this thread is to find out in scriptures if we can know His perfect will, pray it and receive His promises by praying it!

 

     
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