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« on: October 26, 2009, 12:06:43 AM »
Paul wrote: "I chastise my body and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps when I have preached to others I myself should be castaway"

Is it possible to infer what he was doing?
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 12:15:23 AM »
He continually disciplines himself spiritually. Paul also tells us to crucify the flesh (Galatians 5:24). Not physical flesh, but the passions, and desires of the flesh. That way you wont desire sinful things. Hes basically saying that he has to keep himself on track with the Lord, to keep himself from veering away. And to keep himself from doing what he thinks is right, rather than doing what the Father tells him to do, say ect...
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 12:15:23 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 12:45:47 AM »
Paul knew he was saved eternally, but there was a goal he sought with his whole being, and that was to win Christ as his bridegroom. After having run the race, he did not want to left out from the best that Christ had to offer.

2 Timothy 4:7  I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

2 Timothy 4:8  Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Philippians 3:8-14  
8  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9   And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10  That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11  If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12  Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13  Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM »
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 08:04:59 AM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.

Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.

God must be the one who purges us.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 08:12:25 AM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on October 26, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.

Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.

God must be the one who purges us.


Surely you are joking.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 08:12:25 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 11:11:40 AM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 08:12:25 AM
Quote from: jiggyfly on October 26, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.

Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.

God must be the one who purges us.


Surely you are joking.

Not in the least, do a study and discover what the requirements were for the jewish pharisees.

Do you believe that god does not need to purge us?Confused
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 11:32:57 AM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  ...

You have Scripture that supports this?


The word he used in 1 Cor. 9:27, hupopiazo,  means that he beat himself black and blue, metaphorically, perhaps, but who knows.  I wouldn't venture to know.  If he were weaned, he would no longer need to "beat" himself into purity, would he not.

The entire paragraph is a mix of sports analogies - running, boxing, wrestling - swith this same idea.  Anyone in sports knows that if you take even a month off, your body begins to go lax and even more strenuous training is necessary to get back into shape.

He had to fight to keep his body "under subjection", as you say.  It didn't come naturally or easily.  And he did so for a purpose: "so that, when I have proclaimed the Good News to others, I myself won't fail to pass muster!"
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 11:33:59 AM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on October 26, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.

Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.

God must be the one who purges us.


What he counted as "dung" was his Jewish faith of legalism.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 11:42:00 AM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on October 26, 2009, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 08:12:25 AM
Quote from: jiggyfly on October 26, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.

Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.

God must be the one who purges us.


Surely you are joking.

Not in the least, do a study and discover what the requirements were for the jewish pharisees.

Do you believe that god does not need to purge us?Confused

I don't believe your statement about this:  Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 12:00:02 PM »
What Paul counted as dung was his life as a worldly loving sinner.  He gave it all up for [the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.]

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 12:05:50 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on October 26, 2009, 11:33:59 AM
Quote from: jiggyfly on October 26, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 04:09:21 AM
Paul had weened himself of every earthly habit, desire, etc.  Therefore he kept his body under subjection.  "He walked in the Spirit" that he might not fulfil the lusts of the flesh."
Paul advises us to lay aside every weight and the sin that would so easily beset us and run the race with patience.
We need to remember that his writings weren't all written at the same time and as he goes through changes in his spiritual life he records them.
At the end of his life he knew he had won the race and a crown of life awaited him, not to him only but to every Christian who endures until the end.

Paul had already done this before he believed in Christ and he later realized that it had no eternal value, he called it all dung.

God must be the one who purges us.


What he counted as "dung" was his Jewish faith of legalism.



Paul had no Jewish faith. The man was a sinner who persecuted the Saints.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 12:09:59 PM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
What Paul counted as dung was his life as a worldly loving sinner.  He gave it all up for [the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.]

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,


Bonnie, he precedes that statement in vs. 4-7 with a retelling of his Jewish heritage.  That was his heritage, his pride, and his life.  He gave it all up for Christ.



Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
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Paul had no Jewish faith. The man was a sinner who persecuted the Saints.

Read vs. 4-7.  Then tell me if that does not describe one.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 01:30:25 PM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
What Paul counted as dung was his life as a worldly loving sinner.  He gave it all up for [the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.]

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,


Amen Bonnie!
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 02:25:03 PM »
Quote from: N8te720 on October 26, 2009, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
What Paul counted as dung was his life as a worldly loving sinner.  He gave it all up for [the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.]

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,


Amen Bonnie!


I suggest that you also read the context of  v. 4-7.  What Paul gave up was his pedigreed heritage of Jewish legalism for Christ's grace.  Continue reading v. 8-10
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